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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: 2011 Omaha Budget = Tax Increase Reply with quote

2011 Omaha Budget = Tax Increase

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100720/NEWS01/707209895#city-budget-calls-for-more-taxes

Maggie O'Brien
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Dining out, registering a car and owning a home in Omaha would all cost more under Mayor Jim Suttle's 2011 budget proposal.

Stressing the need to "put the city's financial house in order," Suttle outlined two tax increases and a new restaurant tax that would generate a total of $44 million in new revenue. Suttle presented his plan to the City Council Tuesday.

The tax increases wouldn't put a dent in only Omahans' wallets. Anyone who eats at the city's restaurants, drinks at a bar or hires a caterer would pay more. So would motorists who live in Omaha or in most Douglas County subdivisions.

Suttle said the city needs new sources of revenue to climb out of a $33.5 million budget shortfall projected for next year.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maggie O'Brien
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Dining out, registering a car and owning a home in Omaha would all cost more under Mayor Jim Suttle's 2011 budget proposal.


Check, Check, and Check.... Got me three times Sad



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No helicopter tax?



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No helicopter tax?


Its an Iowa Helicopter and we fly out of the Council Bluffs Airport, so I am safe for now!  I am guessing there will be some airspace tax soon Wink



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tax increases are usually the answer to most of the budget problems facing municipalities.  Eventually there will be a tipping point where the tax rates work against the city.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit ironic how aggressive they are to tax personal transportation, yet offer little to no public transportation. Probably doesn't look very enticing to prospective newcomers.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per WOWT, "In a briefing with reporters, Mayor Suttle reiterated that property tax rates went unchanges for almost a decade while costs increased exponentially."

Yeah, no shlt, Sherlock.  This is because the tax levy is supposed to stay the same, while the values of homes go up roughly by the rate of inflation over the mid to long term. Thus, the levy should NEVER go up.  Either this guy is a flat out, mouth breathing idiot or he thinks all Omaha residents are.  All this while he REFUSES to touch the firefighters and their blowing of their budget year after year.

I literally cannot fathom how this retard got elected.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

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Per WOWT, "In a briefing with reporters, Mayor Suttle reiterated that property tax rates went unchanges for almost a decade while costs increased exponentially."

Yeah, no shlt, Sherlock.  This is because the tax levy is supposed to stay the same, while the values of homes go up roughly by the rate of inflation over the mid to long term. Thus, the levy should NEVER go up.  Either this guy is a flat out, mouth breathing idiot or he thinks all Omaha residents are.  All this while he REFUSES to touch the firefighters and their blowing of their budget year after year.

I literally cannot fathom how this retard got elected.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Per WOWT, "In a briefing with reporters, Mayor Suttle reiterated that property tax rates went unchanges for almost a decade while costs increased exponentially."

Yeah, no shlt, Sherlock.  This is because the tax levy is supposed to stay the same, while the values of homes go up roughly by the rate of inflation over the mid to long term. Thus, the levy should NEVER go up.  Either this guy is a flat out, mouth breathing idiot or he thinks all Omaha residents are.  All this while he REFUSES to touch the firefighters and their blowing of their budget year after year.

I literally cannot fathom how this retard got elected.


That might be an argument if the levy had been left at a reasonable level originally.  Omaha had (perhaps before last years change) the second lowest levy in the metro behind Papillion.  Central cities are not usually low man due to older infrastructure and a higher percentage of tax exempt property than suburbs.  Factor in free trash and it was the lowest.  That isn't sustainable whatsoever.  If you want to look at the root of the problem, look at the 7 tax cuts in the 90s, 6 of which I believe were Hal Daub buying friends and votes.  The city became, and still is, too reliant upon sales tax, which as we now know is unreliable.  40% of the general fund is sales tax, only 26 is property tax.  By the way, the OPS levy is much larger, wheres the indignation about their high taxes?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdub wrote:
joeglow wrote:
Per WOWT, "In a briefing with reporters, Mayor Suttle reiterated that property tax rates went unchanges for almost a decade while costs increased exponentially."

Yeah, no shlt, Sherlock.  This is because the tax levy is supposed to stay the same, while the values of homes go up roughly by the rate of inflation over the mid to long term. Thus, the levy should NEVER go up.  Either this guy is a flat out, mouth breathing idiot or he thinks all Omaha residents are.  All this while he REFUSES to touch the firefighters and their blowing of their budget year after year.

I literally cannot fathom how this retard got elected.


That might be an argument if the levy had been left at a reasonable level originally.  Omaha had (perhaps before last years change) the second lowest levy in the metro behind Papillion.  Central cities are not usually low man due to older infrastructure and a higher percentage of tax exempt property than suburbs.  Factor in free trash and it was the lowest.  That isn't sustainable whatsoever.  If you want to look at the root of the problem, look at the 7 tax cuts in the 90s, 6 of which I believe were Hal Daub buying friends and votes.  The city became, and still is, too reliant upon sales tax, which as we now know is unreliable.  40% of the general fund is sales tax, only 26 is property tax.  By the way, the OPS levy is much larger, wheres the indignation about their high taxes?


Omaha also has MUCH higher tax revenues from many more businesses of (many being very large businesses) paying a large share of property taxes.  The simple fact is that this man touted himself as an Engineer who knew how to "think outside the box."  So far, all he has come up with is new taxes, increased taxes and spooning with the firefighters.  He is a complete and utter ratard!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Omaha also has MUCH higher tax revenues from many more businesses of (many being very large businesses) paying a large share of property taxes.


What kind of property taxes does ConAgra pay on their $1 annual lease?



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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joeglow wrote:
Omaha also has MUCH higher tax revenues from many more businesses of (many being very large businesses) paying a large share of property taxes.


What kind of property taxes does ConAgra pay on their $1 annual lease?


I assume you are asking about the horse shack that they paid for and lease to the city for $1.  If so, clearly there is value that they ate up to pay for that on the city's behalf.

As for the buildings, as they are owned by OPUS, they pay whatever the taxes assessed to OPUS are (which ARE assessed and paid) as part of their rent payments.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the lots

http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105184
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105022
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105014
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105004
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105190
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105164
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105094
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105070
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105306
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105044
http://webapps.dotcomm.org:8080/TreasTax/faces/pages/taxinfo.jsp?parc=0805105034

TAXES PAID:
$20.52
$0.00
$381,662.84
$295,380.28
$20.52
$222,058.50
$439.399.22
$20.52
$20.52
$20.52
$20.52

TOTAL = 1,338,623.93 a year in Taxes for the Campus



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought they leased the whole (or major portion) of that campus from the city for $1/year?



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I have no idea.  Would not surprise me if they bought the land for $1.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could of swore I remember a discussion here sometime last year stating that they had bought the land for next to nothing, however, the deal was that they had to assume demolition costs of Jobber's Canyon. The "they" could have been OPUS or ConAgra, idr.


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It took leaving to realize how |expletive| up Omaha taxes really are. Check this out. My condo in Omaha was last valued around 67k and the taxes are around $1300/yr. I'm looking at places in Denver right now and places that are 130-150k have taxes around $700-800/yr. I realize that Colorado brings in far more tourism dollars but that big of a difference is pathetic. This is before Suttle boosts them up too. FU Omaha taxes. Who wants to buy a condo? Wink



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It took leaving to realize how |expletive| up Omaha taxes really are. Check this out. My condo in Omaha was last valued around 67k and the taxes are around $1300/yr. I'm looking at places in Denver right now and places that are 130-150k have taxes around $700-800/yr. I realize that Colorado brings in far more tourism dollars but that big of a difference is pathetic. This is before Suttle boosts them up too. FU Omaha taxes. Who wants to buy a condo? Wink


My guess is that a 67k condo at Omaha's prices would cost double that (or more) in Denver.  So really where is the savings to a family's budget?


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While true that the same condo would be more in Denver, you can see from my numbers that Omaha taxes must be pushing 4 times as high as Denver's. Over twice the "value" but half of the tax? Even if the property is double in Denver, (75k Omaha vs 150k Denver) the taxes would be half as much. Any way you slice it, Omaha taxes are a total joke.



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the1wags wrote:
It took leaving to realize how |expletive| up Omaha taxes really are. Check this out. My condo in Omaha was last valued around 67k and the taxes are around $1300/yr. I'm looking at places in Denver right now and places that are 130-150k have taxes around $700-800/yr. I realize that Colorado brings in far more tourism dollars but that big of a difference is pathetic. This is before Suttle boosts them up too. FU Omaha taxes. Who wants to buy a condo? Wink


Don't kid yourself.  You're paying for Colorado's public schools in other ways.  While you're property taxes may be cheaper, there are dozens of other "fees" and taxes you pay.  

Also, it's pretty well known that Colorado's public schools are in a financial crisis that is coming to a head.  Enjoy your lower property taxes now.  They'll be going up exponentially in the near future.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet Omaha taxes would be alot lower if we (and to a lesser extent, Lincoln) weren't subsidizing the rest of the state.



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According to a CNN article today, despite Omaha having a financial crisis, the state of Nebraska has the LEAST amount of debt of any state.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/30/news/economy/state_debt_levels/?npt=NP1


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Bosco55David wrote:
I bet Omaha taxes would be alot lower if we (and to a lesser extent, Lincoln) weren't subsidizing the rest of the state.


Agreed.  However, as the saying goes: Democracy can only last until the public realizes the majority can vote to take from the minority to give to themselves.  The real answer would be to consolidate the heck out of our school districts and counties.  However, this will never happen because the majority (central and western nebraska) will vote to take money from the minority (Omaha).




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In some ways I hope this financial crisis keeps going, actually gets worse, and a lot more heated.

It's then - and only then - that our elected officials are forced to become more open and accountable about where tax dollars are actually spent.


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In some ways I hope this financial crisis keeps going, actually gets worse, and a lot more heated.

It's then - and only then - that our elected officials are forced to become more open and accountable about where tax dollars are actually spent.


It's no secret where your tax dollars are already going, so I'm confused by how they can be more open and accountable?



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In some ways I hope this financial crisis keeps going, actually gets worse, and a lot more heated.

It's then - and only then - that our elected officials are forced to become more open and accountable about where tax dollars are actually spent.


It's no secret where your tax dollars are already going, so I'm confused by how they can be more open and accountable?


Sure, you can find the information if you're as tenacious as a pit bull, and have the resources of a Private I.  But not too many people are geared that way.

For instance, who knew that the recently resigned/fired "parks director" made almost $90,000 per year plus benefits?  And for doing what?  And what was the job he had previously lost when he got shifted to Parks Director, and had to take a huge pay cut?


I'm not necessarily bagging on what people earn, but when a taxpayer-funded municipality is in a financial crisis, it's fair to call into question why so many public employees are paid so danged much money - and for who knows what?  Why is a paper-shuffling city official making twice as much money as a school teacher?  Whatever happened to "public servants"?


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Sure, you can find the information if you're as tenacious as a pit bull, and have the resources of a Private I.  But not too many people are geared that way.


Actually, with a quick "Google" search, the entire Omaha City budget can be accessed in under a minute, down to what each employee makes (by position, not name).



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Sure, you can find the information if you're as tenacious as a pit bull, and have the resources of a Private I.  But not too many people are geared that way.


Actually, with a quick "Google" search, the entire Omaha City budget can be accessed in under a minute, down to what each employee makes (by position, not name).

Actually, it is extremely broad and ambiguous.  For instance, in the Parks/Recreation Budget report, it says "Employee Compensation - $48,775" (heckuva lot of money for mowing lawns).  But right under it there's the entry "Purchased Services - $269,262."  That really clarifies things, doesn't it?

We both know that publicly-funded entities are MASTERS at avoiding financial accountability.  They know darned good & well that if John Q Public ever found out what was being spent on what, there would be public outrage.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One would like to think that maybe the local news organizations would do some regular digging.  All of this should be easily attainable through routine public records requests.



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One would like to think that maybe the local news organizations would do some regular digging.  All of this should be easily attainable through routine public records requests.


Right.

And what about scaling back services - not for political shock value (like closing libraries and swimming pools), but in an intelligent and reasonable way.

The church I attend is experiencing tight finances right now.  Not a crisis, but things are tight.  So when our part-time custodian resigned, we decided to have members do the cleaning - on a rotation basis - for the immediate future.  If there's extra money in a couple years, we'll probably hire another custodian.

Why do publicly-funded entities never seem to be able to do things like that?


The City of Omaha could save MILLIONS of dollars, if it was done in a reasonable and intelligent way - and with community support.  But honestly, they don't want to.


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