Leytham, A New Traditional Neighborhood

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From the OWH:

New neighborhood designed to fight sprawl

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=46&u_sid=2234176

Uffda · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject:

According to the article this is planned for the NE corner of 168th and State. On the NW corner there has been a development in the works for the past year. Utilities and streets in but no houses at this time. I think the sign said $250,000 and up.

midtown charlie · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject:

Most importantly they are looking for our feedback. We all seem somewhat opinionated so now is the time.

http://www.whatsnewonstatestreet.com/

Hopefully this is so popular that the city finally enacts all of the ideas from Omaha by design. Great project for many many reasons.

30% of new homebuyers would prefer this.....I would bet that % will at least double once it is built and people can experience it first hand.

I think this should probably have it's own thread since this is going to be a fun one to watch them build.

DTO Luv · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject:

It's still stupid to me. Here's why.

They said they wanted to build areas like pre-WWII. So even if they do have houses up to the street with garages in the back and on 'alleys', they are still missing one vital componant. Areas like Dundee, Benson, and South Omaha were all connected to other areas with rail.

So this new development may 'look' like South Omaha or Benson but they won't work like the old way used to. It still on 168th and State. People will still have to drive a long ways to work, shop, and other areas for recreation. It's like buying fancy new car with no wheels. It looks nice but does it do it's function? No.

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Coyote · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject:

midtown charlie · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

I agree DTO. Projects as great as they might look don't fight sprawl unless the city has comprehensive design standards that affect all new areas. This is why I am glad they are building it so that whichever developers are dragging their heals on the last remaining "Omaha by Design" initiatives might see why they are important and good.

Harpoon · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:

You want to see how it works? Drive over to Lincoln on I-80 and get off at the I-180 exit...go north instead of heading towards downtown. Go through the stoplight and you will come to Fallbrook, of which part of it is designed with new urbanist principles. Nice greenspaces that the houses look over, wide sidewalks, and alleys which the garages are accessed. There are plans to develop the commercial aspect sometime in the near future, but right now it is mostly houses. The angled parking already exists where the commercial area will go, but it will take a little while.

Colorado has been building these for years now, and Dallas has many of them as well.

Uffda · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

Here is a development that was started in my hometown (pop approx 7000)

http://www.tallgrassvillage.com/Homes.htm

It doesnt have the business development in it but it would be a max 10 min walk to grocery store.

The houses are set back from the street --- garages are accessed from an alley and front/side yards are the play area as there isnt really a backyard .

j4nu · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject:

I have always loved this type of neighborhood. The first thing like this I've ever experienced is on the North side of Lincoln and is called Fallbrook.

http://www.fallbrookusa.com/pages/concept.html

eomaha.com · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:

Denver's Stapleton

the1wags · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject:

Well that definately looks more urban than the standard burb subdivision. I think that this could be a cool development with some good ideas in there. I'd like to see the return of the "town square" with retail/entertainment/services located around it, then place the housing around that.

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midtown charlie · Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

The developments link above has a bevy of info. I still can't figure out why this guy had to show slides to get people to buy off on it. (and I am not referring to showing these slides to the public). This seemed to be geared towards the development community. This looks like the same presentation (basically) as what Omaha By Design put together. Probably used the same company to help them put it together. Anyway......there is some cool info for those not entirely familiar with the principles of Traditional Neighborhood development or New Urbanism. I hope all of the developers read this guys presentation because it makes a very strong case for traditional development.

The following link has a listing of all of the known Traditional Neighborhood developments (New Urbanism) that exist around the country. Looking at this list makes me think that Omaha has a chance to really put itself in the forefront with it's Omaha by Design. Each of the projects are nice but a city that is developed with these principles in mind would stand out in the U.S.

http://www.tndtownpaper.com/neighborhoods.htm

Here's to hoping that this development finally gets Omaha to live by it's own principles.

midtown charlie · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject:

I am not sure if people saw this or not but here is a chance to win $500 just by having an opinion and being creative....I gave my suggestion NOSSASOMA for North of State Street and South of Military Ave.....Just kidding!! Sounds more like an arch enemy of the U.S. than a town center.

Coyote · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject:

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Harpoon · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject:

His website is actually pretty good and gives a "play-by-play" account on what is happening this week while the designers are creating the development plan.

eomaha.com · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject:

No kidding... it's really quite amazing what they're doing here. Hopefully this will start a trend in Omaha suburban development planning.

midtown charlie · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

Is anyone going to the public presentation tonight. I can't make it myself.

Saturday, September 9
Design and Production
Final Presentation, 5:00-6:30pm
Regency Lodge

More speicific details/illustrations are supposed to be available tomorrow (Sunday) on their website.

loyalomahan · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:25 am Post subject:

Graphics from final presentation

Coyote · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:35 am Post subject:

I hope that they can pull this off. Got to love the 'farmer's market' in that last pic!

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the1wags · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

That looks like a vast improvement over your standard suburbia. I hope this sets the standard for future west O growth.

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midtown charlie · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:47 am Post subject:

I find it funny that if people are willing to accept a little more density they will get more in return. More greenspace, More trees, more scenery, more things for them or their kids to do within walking distance.

Less Yard = More playing area for the kids....hmmm how does that work....

The only drawback that I see is that while I personally like the communal angle that this development is taking it may turn some people off from this type of development. Too radical??? (note the sarcasm) Some of these homes really don't have much of yard so much as a shared commons area. That will appeal to some but to others it might scare them away from this type of development altogether. It would be like saying that for now on all new homes will back up to a golf course. I'd be turned off on this new fangled development if that were the case. I guess as long as they offer some of the homes with private yards that will fix it. They probably are.

Since this is the first development of it's kind in Omaha it will either spur more of these throughout Omaha or scare the citizens back to 1985. I suspect this is why the city was all over this charette process. There is much more to this than this one development.....like perhaps finally implementing the most important piece of Omaha by Deisgn. "the 4 corners design" I view this as the the proving grounds if you will. If they can make this work and show developers how it works in Omaha then maybe they will be less resistant to it's implementation in the design standards. It appeared to me on last week's grow Omaha show that the host/s had not completely bought off on it yet either. In some ways it is good to be 15 years behind the rest of the country you get to see what works and what doesn't. Never thought I would see myself type that.....hmmm

Harpoon · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

midtown charlie · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:48 am Post subject:

Sorry my sarcasm is not always very obvious.

omahastylee459 · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:11 am Post subject:

what are those cream colored lots on the drawing? PLEASE tell me those arent parking lots but places for homes and such.

Coyote · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:15 am Post subject:

Those are the lawns that chose the grass that turns brown in the winter - reverting to the retro 60's phenomena.

Just unsold lots ready for fill-in.

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DTO Luv · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:43 am Post subject:

I still don't think it's all that great. Doesn't do much for me.

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Coyote · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:54 am Post subject:

Oh come on DTO! Look at those renditions again. What is there not to like about this development. Sure there are no high rises for the height obsessed. But look at the greenspaces. I hope more developers would subscribe to these ideals. Look at the Chalco Hills area, Hearthstones developments. Now that does nothing for me.

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Herb · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject:

Hello to you all.

My name really IS Herb and I am the founder of the new traditional neighborhood that we will create at 168th and State Street. I welcome your comments and views and suggestions. I am excited about participating in a continuing dialog with you all. Feel free to write to me directly at herb@FullCircleVentures.com. More soon.

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Herb Freeman
Full Circle Ventures, Inc.
16510 State Street
Bennington, NE 68007

402.689.4000
Herb@FullCircleVentures.com
www.Leytham.com
www.NewHerbanism.BlogSpot.com

almighty_tuna · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the forum, Herb!

Coyote · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the forum Herb!
I for one am looking forward to seeing how this development unfolds.

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