Pinnacle / Swanson Site (10th and Capitol)

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Out of the 3 proposals on Page 15, Which one is your favorite

Proposal 1: Shamrock
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Proposal 2: Buckingham
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Proposal 3: Nexus
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Postby MTO » Tue May 02, 2006 7:54 pm

I know I just had to point it out.
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Postby Whale Shark » Wed May 03, 2006 5:32 pm

I might get hung by my nuts for saying this....but, I would like to see some density in this area rather than one tall tower. How about two towers, one condo and the other office/hotel, both around 20 stories, with a park, pond, fountain, etc. seperating the two. This would really add to filling in the skyline from the airport.

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Postby omahastylee459 » Wed May 03, 2006 5:53 pm

Whale Shark wrote:I might get hung by my nuts for saying this....but, I would like to see some density in this area rather than one tall tower. How about two towers, one condo and the other office/hotel, both around 20 stories, with a park, pond, fountain, etc. seperating the two. This would really add to filling in the skyline from the airport.


I think this is what everyone has on their minds. In the end, I doubt a tower of any kind will be built there. Whatever is built there will most likely fit downtown, but I am not expecting a high rise. ONE 20 story tower would surprise me, I think I would have a heart attack if two were announced. Just thinking realistically...

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Postby DTO Luv » Wed May 03, 2006 8:31 pm

I think a tower is what the city was wanting from this site since they wanted a variety of uses.
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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Thu May 04, 2006 2:02 am

I think the earlier posted 'rendering' of an idea from one of the forumers illustrated very well what I think most of us would LOVE to see here.

Pretty much high density mixed use, and if there is a tower incorporated...well you bet your |expletive| we'll take it.
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Postby the1wags » Thu May 04, 2006 7:50 am

You mean this? :D The floor uses are just an estimate, but now I'm thinking the hotel could be only around 10 floors instead, leaving more space in the tower for other use. (apartments, condos, etc)

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Postby MTO » Thu May 04, 2006 10:23 am

Wow wag what kind of CAD program did you use? I like the layout; can I get a place near the top?
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Postby the1wags » Thu May 04, 2006 12:24 pm

Thanks for that Jake, I didn't use a CAD program. :D Good ol fashion pencil my friend. I'll reserve you a spot in there. :)

I drew this up with the assumption that the sporting goods store, the place behind it, and its triangle lot would be purchased for this project but after actually after looking at the site in person a bit more, I don't think there is enough room for that triangle shaped parking garage. I think parking would need to added within the main site. I think I need to make a new draft. :)

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Postby adam186 » Thu May 04, 2006 1:31 pm

MTO wrote:can I get a place near the top?

You can't have a place at both of our places. :P

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Postby MTO » Thu May 04, 2006 5:12 pm

Will just have to see whose is taller.
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Postby Brad » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:38 pm

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Josh and I were looking at the possiabilities one nigh when out shooting photos. Its a lot like josh's but here is what I drew up.

You would start by drawing a straight line from 11th street towads the Qwest Center Main Entrance. On this line you would lay street car line so when Omaha finally builds a Street car its ready to go, This strip would have the feel of a "Main Street" setting with 12 retail bays lined on both sides, which would include shops as well as food&beverage places. Nex comes 13, a 20 to 25 story office building 14 would be an enclosed "Lobby, which would serve both the Office and Hotel buildings plus house meny public places such as meeting rooms, reception halls and an art gallery. 15 would be a 30 to 35 story hotel with the upper floors being Condos. 16 would be a parking structure, as big as they can get it.
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Postby Coyote » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:42 pm

That is Jack! Those designs.
I recently perused their ad.
They are not asking as much as I thought
- but passing Omaha By Design and all...
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Postby adam186 » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:49 pm

Prime steak and I'm starving.

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Postby Coyote » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:57 pm

adam186 wrote:Prime steak and I'm starving.


I have to say that this property has to be Prime Omaha choice.
Wallstreet. Old OWH. Burlington...
What other DTO property holds so much potential?
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Postby adam186 » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:07 am

Coyote wrote:
adam186 wrote:Prime steak and I'm starving.


I have to say that this property has to be Prime Omaha choice.
Wallstreet. Old OWH. Burlington...
What other DTO property holds so much potential?

You know you bring up a very good point (probably not intentially, just my crazy thinking spinning around). There are a lot of "Prime locations" DT ready for development that haven't been mentioned or thought of. I think I'm going scouting tomorrow taking pictures and taking notes. I'll make a mega thread and we can all brainstorm and discuss.

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Postby the1wags » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:24 am

Brad, that angled "main street" is perfect, just as we discussed.

People, can you imagine walking out of the Qwest after an event, hopping on the streetcar and then going through this mixed use area w/ shops and a big hotel anchor. Additionally, then down 11th past that parking lot (theater anchor anyone?), across my proposed 11th street GLM ped/streetcar bridge, dropping right into the heart of the Old Market.

Movers and Shakers take note! :)

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Postby DTO Luv » Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:54 am

I would have liked to have seen what designs the city got a few years ago when they put out RFPs. I know they had extremely high standards for this area. I'm guessing that they didn't get what they wanted. The main things I see having to happen before this takes off are the following.

-Streetcar down 10th St.
-More destinations in North DT between Creighton and the Qwest.
-The Wallstreet Tower to be around 80% sold.

The condos that will be at the Pinnacle site will be similiar to Wallstreet in price and it will have to be tall to over look the interstate. There is more proving to do with sales at the Wallstreet so there won't be as much hesitation to do the same at the Pinnacle site.
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Postby adam186 » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:21 am

Absolutely wags. Also, enclosing the tracks under an arched glass ceiling would make it even cooler. It's a great concept and people riding the streetcar will be jumping off to visit it. Those retail shops will have the highest lease per sq/ft in the city.

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Postby Swift » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:26 pm

Someone should get this plan to Christian Christiansen!

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Postby MTO » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:29 pm

It's such an awesome idea I'm sure there wont be no problem selling it to them.
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Postby Big Skyline » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:23 pm

This project would be great for the area and the city SOMEONE please rush this idea to the mayors office :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Postby Swift » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:32 pm

Seriously, is anyone actually sending this idea to anyone, or are we all just sitting around with our thumbs up our butts, hoping that someone with money and influence will stumble onto this thread?

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Postby Brad » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:40 pm

Seriously, is anyone actually sending this idea to anyone, or are we all just sitting around with our thumbs up our butts, hoping that someone with money and influence will stumble onto this thread?



We are developing ideas. No I am not going to send the very crude sketch I made to anyone, but if one of the many developers and local media that are lurkers on our site, see it and want to use it for something, even better.
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Postby the1wags » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:35 pm

I've taken my inital idea and worked in the angle from 11th to 10th for the streetcar. Here's the start of my rendering. Helicopter view, looking SW.

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I'll keep working on it, make it look better. For the height crazed, the tower is 550ft. :D

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Postby Big Skyline » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:58 pm

This would be a prime location for Omaha's tallest building with the third tallest being a hotel on the same sight :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Postby Coyote » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:48 pm

Nice job Josh! That would be an awesome I-480 welcome to Omaha.
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Postby DTO Luv » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:44 pm

When I unpack my stuff I'll throw my idea up.
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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:22 am

the1wags wrote:People, can you imagine walking out of the Qwest after an event, hopping on the streetcar and then going through this mixed use area w/ shops and a big hotel anchor. Additionally, then down 11th past that parking lot (theater anchor anyone?), across my proposed 11th street GLM ped/streetcar bridge, dropping right into the heart of the Old Market.


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Postby the1wags » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:50 am

Google earth rules!

Rendering pt2.

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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:36 am

Awesome stuff Josh..

I like the design alot..

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Postby adam186 » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:03 pm

I like the design too. One thought, what about a set back before the pyramid? And adding a spire?

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Postby the1wags » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:05 pm

Its still a work in progress. :wink: That being said, I'm not a fan of spires on a building just to add height.

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Postby adam186 » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:10 pm

What are you using for the renderings?

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Postby the1wags » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:39 pm

Google earth and a add on called (I think) Google sketch.

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Postby the1wags » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:00 pm

I like the idea of the streetcar jumping over to 11th for a few reasons.

10th st has more car traffic on it, Omaha by Design showed 11th getting the brick restored and being a true ped friendly street. Also, I want my 11th st ped bridge through the GLM to happen. :)

With it going over to 11th through the Swanson site also puts it right on that empty block between 11th and 12th, Capitol and Dodge, which makes that instantly hot property as well.

As far as going south with a future extension of the streetcar, I've stated my preference for going down 13th over 10th. Flatter route, goes by Sokal, and the other buildings along 13th (think around Boheimian cafe) is a better area to boom after streetcar.

Don't get me wrong, if they decide to build down 10th, I won't object. :)

Anyways, someone needs to step up to the plate on the Swanson site. That hotel anchored tower needs to happen!

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Postby zedmib » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:30 pm

I like Brad's signature photo. I've had an idea for awhile. I would like to see a skyscraper on the swanson site with a similar design as the red steel markers at the corner of 10th and Cumming.
Something like:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=119425
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Just dreaming :D .
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Postby Brad » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:23 pm

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Postby adam186 » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:28 pm

DEVELOPERS: Please develop the above site. Thank you!

Edit: Should we change the thread title since it's clear they didn't find a buyer?

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Swanson Site discussion

Postby DTO Luv » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:01 pm

Speaking of the Swanson site, I was talking with someone last night who worked on schemes for the Swanson site and let's just say I left very disappointed after having talked with him.

His architectural firm worked on a design for the Swanson site that would have included a combination of office, apartment, and retail space.  There were commitments from both retailers and businesses.  The two retailers that had signed on were Borsheims and Nebraska Furniture Mart.  They were both going to open up smaller scaled stores in order to satisfy the needs/wants of the new customers down there.

Then it all fell through because Swanson wanted way more than the developers were willing to pay.  I asked him if there was going to be any potential development on that site and he said 'no, because no one will pay what they want for the site.'  Swanson can charge as much as they want right now just because they know that is a prime space for re-development.



(Copied from the other thread)

I know the city had high hopes and specific plans for this site. I'm not at all to hear about the mixed use nature of the site since this is what the city was asking for. It's disappointing to know that we probably could have had something being built now if not for the high price of the site. Does anyone know what it's going for? And as Jeff said this would be the perfect time for emminant domain. The city stands to miss out on big bucks once Phase 1 of the streetcar rolls past here if Swanson is still holding out.
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Postby Big E » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:44 pm

Not specifically on topic, but more of a development-centric incentive idea...

The city needs to pass tax legislation that immediately assesses your property at your asking price if it's been sitting unsold for more than 120 days.  

When an assumed project like this is being held up because of greedy or unrealistic landowners (Swanson, the Postal Annex, the parking lot on 12th and Harney with the Diner) asking WAY too much for their land.  Property owners would have to seriously consider asking fair market prcies if they knew they were going to have to start paying taxes on a $2.3 million slab of concrete that won't sell.  The 120 day window would allow them to test the market, but "forces" them to reasses their asking price.  If they balk about it being assessed that high, the city can just say "Hey, we're going off YOUR assessment... Thanks for doing our job for us.  We must have missed something in our drive-by review."

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