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Postby iamjacobm » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:29 am

blueblood wrote:No stupid questions right?

Does a developer make an announcement like this because they already have a tenant or to try and get a tenant?  I assume to even announce and go through the hurdles involved has to cost some serious coin, not to mention what this does to a developer's reputation. Just seams like a huge investment to be throwing out there with no major tenant on board.


By the sounds of it they are still looking for a tenant.  If I had to guess though I would assume they have had conversations with a couple companies.  I don't see how you make an announcement like this without at least a couple feelers out there already.

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Postby twiztid1 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:46 am

Exciting stuff.  I thought this lot was hopeless.

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Postby Collin » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:53 am

This is great news! Love the rendering.

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Postby Brad » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:04 pm

I just hopes this proves how cool a true "Mixed Use" building could be.  Ground Level Retail, several floors of parking, then 10+ floors off office followed by 5+ floors of condos.  Lots of potential.
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Postby Fromaha » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:09 pm

I check this site everyday hoping for exciting news like this. I take a few days off and look what happens!

I hope for some significant height on this project, though I think anything 200'+ is a skyline changer - especially based on its location. Fingers crossed.

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Postby Seth » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:54 pm

This would be a cool project to see built.  I'm tempering my enthusiasm a little, though, considering previous announcements of this nature.

I'm not quite as height-obsessed, but sadly, perhaps that's due to the recent 4-story block-size building built in the heart of the CBD.

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Postby MadMartin8 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:51 pm

Seth wrote:This would be a cool project to see built.  I'm tempering my enthusiasm a little, though, considering previous announcements of this nature.

I'm not quite as height-obsessed, but sadly, perhaps that's due to the recent 4-story block-size building built in the heart of the CBD.



Exactly my thoughts.
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Postby BobbiDon » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:05 am

There was an article today about first data moving a large number of jobs from Denver to omaha.  Is there enough room at their pine street offices, or could this be a potential for this development?

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Postby MadMartin8 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:16 am

BobbiDon wrote:There was an article today about first data moving a large number of jobs from Denver to omaha.  Is there enough room at their pine street offices, or could this be a potential for this development?


Yes, there is plenty of open space in our offices in Omaha.
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Postby Garrett » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:23 am

MadMartin8 wrote:
BobbiDon wrote:There was an article today about first data moving a large number of jobs from Denver to omaha.  Is there enough room at their pine street offices, or could this be a potential for this development?


Yes, there is plenty of open space in our offices in Omaha.


But I thought they didn't want to stay in the Twin Towers much longer...
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Postby iamjacobm » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:05 pm

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BobbiDon wrote:There was an article today about first data moving a large number of jobs from Denver to omaha.  Is there enough room at their pine street offices, or could this be a potential for this development?


Yes, there is plenty of open space in our offices in Omaha.


But I thought they didn't want to stay in the Twin Towers much longer...


First Data is in the Aksarben area.  Rex and FirstComp are in Central Park Plaza.
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Postby Brad » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:07 pm

iamjacobm wrote:First Data is in the Aksarben area.


And Old Mill.
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Postby MadMartin8 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:39 pm

Brad wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:First Data is in the Aksarben area.


And Old Mill.



And across from Aksarben Village.
And across from the other across at Aksarben Village
And in Denver (well, kind of)
And in Atlanta
And... and...


First Data isn't going to move into a new building. They have plenty that have plenty of room.
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Postby ad2330 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:00 am

Look I hope more than anything this actually happens, I just have my doubts.  

Is there really a demand for high end office space?  Especially for that kind of square footage?
I think it's going to be really difficult to find retailers capable of paying the rent necessary to make the numbers work.
I DO think there is a starving demand for some very nice condos w/ a concierge type service.
That would be one LARGE building to go 25 stories in the air on a lot that covers an entire square block.

I actually was thinking a very high end/boutique style hotel on that lot would be spectacular given its location and the fact that we have 0 high end hotels in downtown Omaha.

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Postby lmdramos » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:04 am

Hotel Deco? It's a 4 star hotel and is working to become a 5 star hotel.

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:11 am

ad2330 wrote:Look I hope more than anything this actually happens, I just have my doubts.  

Is there really a demand for high end office space?  Especially for that kind of square footage?
I think it's going to be really difficult to find retailers capable of paying the rent necessary to make the numbers work.
I DO think there is a starving demand for some very nice condos w/ a concierge type service.
That would be one LARGE building to go 25 stories in the air on a lot that covers an entire square block.

I actually was thinking a very high end/boutique style hotel on that lot would be spectacular given its location and the fact that we have 0 high end hotels in downtown Omaha.


It would be really nice if they split the use of the block. Basically the exact opposite Gavilon and UP did with their buildings. Leave some space for either public use or for another structure.
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Postby ad2330 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:17 am

RNcyanide wrote:
ad2330 wrote:Look I hope more than anything this actually happens, I just have my doubts.  

Is there really a demand for high end office space?  Especially for that kind of square footage?
I think it's going to be really difficult to find retailers capable of paying the rent necessary to make the numbers work.
I DO think there is a starving demand for some very nice condos w/ a concierge type service.
That would be one LARGE building to go 25 stories in the air on a lot that covers an entire square block.

I actually was thinking a very high end/boutique style hotel on that lot would be spectacular given its location and the fact that we have 0 high end hotels in downtown Omaha.


It would be really nice if they split the use of the block. Basically the exact opposite Gavilon and UP did with their buildings. Leave some space for either public use or for another structure.


I agree.  More economical and would allow for taller buildings to expand our skyline.

Gavilon for instance is beautiful, but it's really too bad you won't even notice its presence in our skyline.  Obviously, Gavilon isn't concerned with that and I wouldn't expect them to be, but it's frustrating from a resident's perspective.

Don't get me started on TD building out west...:)

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:22 am

Oh god, if we could have got TD downtown, it could have potentially been absolutely stunning. Even if they kept the divisive seafoam color (which I don't really mind), it would have been fantastic.

I love the design of Gavilon, but I think it would have done more justice with the space and the building if they had constructed it in the Old Mill area. Imagine it perched atop the hill where Old Mill Toyota is vacating.
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Postby HR Paperstacks » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:50 pm

RNcyanide wrote:Oh god, if we could have got TD downtown, it could have potentially been absolutely stunning. Even if they kept the divisive seafoam color (which I don't really mind), it would have been fantastic.

And just think how tall it would have been. The one in Old Mill is 11 stories, but there is also three additional buildings on our campus here. If all those were combined into something downtown, it would have been another 5 or 6 stories!

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Postby Linkin5 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:07 pm

lmdramos wrote:Hotel Deco? It's a 4 star hotel and is working to become a 5 star hotel.


Yeah, isn't Magnolia Hotel pretty high end as well?

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Postby Brad » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:17 pm

Nebraska only has 2, AAA - 4 Diamond Hotels.  The Hilton and Hotel Deco.

http://ww1.aaa.com/AAA/AAADiamonds/Awar ... 012012.pdf
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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:28 pm

RNcyanide wrote:
ad2330 wrote:Look I hope more than anything this actually happens, I just have my doubts.  

Is there really a demand for high end office space?  Especially for that kind of square footage?
I think it's going to be really difficult to find retailers capable of paying the rent necessary to make the numbers work.
I DO think there is a starving demand for some very nice condos w/ a concierge type service.
That would be one LARGE building to go 25 stories in the air on a lot that covers an entire square block.

I actually was thinking a very high end/boutique style hotel on that lot would be spectacular given its location and the fact that we have 0 high end hotels in downtown Omaha.


It would be really nice if they split the use of the block. Basically the exact opposite Gavilon and UP did with their buildings. Leave some space for either public use or for another structure.


Just a guess, but considering the Lanoha connection I would expect a well landscaped plaza on this lot along with the building.

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Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:28 pm

Brad wrote:Nebraska only has 2, AAA - 4 Diamond Hotels.  The Hilton and Hotel Deco.

http://ww1.aaa.com/AAA/AAADiamonds/Awar ... 012012.pdf


Just thought I would point out, the only other 4 Diamond metro hotel is Ameristar in Council Bluffs.

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Postby S33 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:29 pm

I don't think this would have anything to do with PacLife, the timeframe wouldn't make sense.

Who knows, cool (potential) project, though.
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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:33 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:
Brad wrote:Nebraska only has 2, AAA - 4 Diamond Hotels.  The Hilton and Hotel Deco.

http://ww1.aaa.com/AAA/AAADiamonds/Awar ... 012012.pdf


Just thought I would point out, the only other 4 Diamond metro hotel is Ameristar in Council Bluffs.


I had no idea that was a 4 Diamond, wow.

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Postby S33 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:37 pm

Also of note: it would appear as though the city did give away the former UP site without recourse, should the project fail, as Lanoha would have to purchase that plot of land from the Townsend backers.

Unless...

Townsend foot the bill for the demolition of the old UP building, and, in that case, I would have to assume the demo costs far outweighed the land?

The city either really f'ed up, or made a very smart move. (I don't know enough to speculate)
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Postby icejammer » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:49 pm

Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
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Postby S33 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:50 pm

icejammer wrote:Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
Would anyone care to guestimate the cost of demo and disposal, and then an estimate of that plot of land?
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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:58 pm

S33 wrote:
icejammer wrote:Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
Would anyone care to guestimate the cost of demo and disposal, and then an estimate of that plot of land?


Don't quote me, but $4 million sounds awfully familiar.

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Postby S33 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:06 pm

iamjacobm wrote:
S33 wrote:
icejammer wrote:Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
Would anyone care to guestimate the cost of demo and disposal, and then an estimate of that plot of land?


Don't quote me, but $4 million sounds awfully familiar.
Land or demo?
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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:08 pm

S33 wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:
S33 wrote:[quote="icejammer"]Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
Would anyone care to guestimate the cost of demo and disposal, and then an estimate of that plot of land?


Don't quote me, but $4 million sounds awfully familiar.
Land or demo?[/quote]

Sorry for demo costs.

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Postby S33 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:10 pm

iamjacobm wrote:
S33 wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:[quote="S33"][quote="icejammer"]Townsend footed the bill on the demo in exchange for the sale price of $1.
Would anyone care to guestimate the cost of demo and disposal, and then an estimate of that plot of land?


Don't quote me, but $4 million sounds awfully familiar.
Land or demo?[/quote]

Sorry for demo costs.[/quote]Minus the lot being empty for the better part of 5 years, the city probably did alright.
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Postby byrdrules » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:49 pm

ad2330 wrote:I actually was thinking a very high end/boutique style hotel on that lot would be spectacular given its location and the fact that we have 0 high end hotels in downtown Omaha.

There's actually a very nice hotel right across the street...

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Postby psl25201 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:26 am

Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.

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Postby RNcyanide » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:20 pm

psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.


It's funny and sad at the same time. Besides, 19 stories is enough stories for a plane to hit.
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Postby GetUrban » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:25 pm

psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.


I have heard they simply wanted more square footage per floor to serve the needs of larger departments, which was more important than building higher. The Atrium eats up some significant square footage though. But the building still has more than 1,000,000 square feet. I know a guy who works there...I'll see if he knows why they didn't build higher. How reliable  is your source?
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Postby S33 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:46 pm

psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.
IF that is true, it's one of the dumber things I've heard in a long time.
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