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Postby Joe_Sovereign » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:17 pm

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psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.
IF that is true, it's one of the dumber things I've heard in a long time.


Both are true.  They did want as much square footage as possible per floor but also I think any ideas of trying to make some kind of skyline impact was negated by concerns after 9/11.  Interestingly both FNB and UP have publicly stated the wish they had built bigger because the have since needed more space.

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Postby iamjacobm » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:29 pm

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psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.
IF that is true, it's one of the dumber things I've heard in a long time.


Both are true.  They did want as much square footage as possible per floor but also I think any ideas of trying to make some kind of skyline impact was negated by concerns after 9/11.  Interestingly both FNB and UP have publicly stated the wish they had built bigger because the have since needed more space.


This is why I actually think a real possibility for the office portion of this building is FNB.  There have been mentions that they are adding jobs to downtown and that their current two buildings are practically full.  This location would be close to their current complex and could help quell some of their parking needs if this building does indeed have a 5 floor parking deck in the structure.  It would also allow FNB to put a physical sign on a building in the skyline, something they don't have right now.

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Postby RNcyanide » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Joe_Sovereign wrote:
S33 wrote:
psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.
IF that is true, it's one of the dumber things I've heard in a long time.


Both are true.  They did want as much square footage as possible per floor but also I think any ideas of trying to make some kind of skyline impact was negated by concerns after 9/11.  Interestingly both FNB and UP have publicly stated the wish they had built bigger because the have since needed more space.


Well, here's to hoping for a 'Two First National Center' and 'Two Union Pacific Center.'
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Postby Ben » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:47 pm

I highly doubt First National would take any space in this building, as they have the flexibility of not renewing tenants that they currently have both in the tower, as well as the old bank building across the street.  They could grow rather significantly without expanding their footprint, just by not renewing leases that other companies have in their buildings.

UP, on the other hand, would be a very likely partial tenant in this Lanoha building.  They've recently started leasing space once again in Central Park Plaza due to lack of additional office space in their building.  Plus, these CPP based employes aren't happy as they don't have easy access to UP amenties (like the fitness center and subsidized cafeteria).  This could easily be accomplished at Lanoha via either an underground tunnel or elevated walkway between the buildings, as they're across the street from each other.

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Postby GetUrban » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:20 pm

My friend at UP just said he had heard nothing of either reason for not building higher. He did say they were concerned about building too flashy of a building and wanted to keep a lower profile to appease stockholders who would rather they spend more on their rail infrastructure, engines, IT, etc. He also said they are short of space in the new building and are renting office space nearby. They have departments which take up several floors already, even with the large floor plates.
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Postby Brad » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:41 pm

GetUrban wrote:He did say they were concerned about building too flashy of a building and wanted to keep a lower profile to appease stockholders who would rather they spend more on their rail infrastructure, engines, IT, etc.


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Postby S33 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:30 pm

Joe_Sovereign wrote:
S33 wrote:
psl25201 wrote:Did you all know that the reason UP didn't build a taller building was because of 9/11?  They originally planned for a taller building, but after 9/11, decided that it proposed a significant enough safety risk to alter their plans.

Maybe y'all knew this, but I had no idea.
IF that is true, it's one of the dumber things I've heard in a long time.


Both are true.  They did want as much square footage as possible per floor but also I think any ideas of trying to make some kind of skyline impact was negated by concerns after 9/11.  Interestingly both FNB and UP have publicly stated the wish they had built bigger because the have since needed more space.
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Postby thenewguy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:30 pm

If they could squuze out 25 or so stories and anchor it with UP and/or FNB (and use the rest for residential, etc), there would likely still be a need for additional downtown commercial space, yes?  it would be somethin special if the civic parcel was also developed into something tower related.
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Postby iamjacobm » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:38 pm

thenewguy wrote:If they could squuze out 25 or so stories and anchor it with UP and/or FNB (and use the rest for residential, etc), there would likely still be a need for additional downtown commercial space, yes?  it would be somethin special if the civic parcel was also developed into something tower related.


PacLife and FirstComp have been mention as possible downtown departures in the Rumors section.  If one or both leave that will be quite a big chunk of office space to hit the market in the Landmark and CPP.  No doubt that would change any spec office projects over the next few years.

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Postby RNcyanide » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:28 pm

Speaking of firstcomp, has anyone heard of where they plan on going?
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Postby matthewgoett » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:48 pm

Has anyone heard anything else for this plot. Just wondering if Lanaha was serious or not. :shock:

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Postby OmahaJaysCU » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:34 pm

matthewgoett wrote:Has anyone heard anything else for this plot. Just wondering if Lanaha was serious or not. :shock:

He's serious....once he finds some tenants, which could take several months/years.

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Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:42 am

matthewgoett wrote:Has anyone heard anything else for this plot. Just wondering if Lanaha was serious or not. :shock:


There is a mention in next week's agenda. Says that they will dissolve the former TIF agreement for the WST and make a new one with Lanoha for a project between $50-100 million and up to $17 million in TIF funds. Project is for sure progressing.

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Postby Varsity » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:31 pm

iamjacobm wrote:
matthewgoett wrote:Has anyone heard anything else for this plot. Just wondering if Lanaha was serious or not. :shock:


There is a mention in next week's agenda.  Says that they will dissolve the former TIF agreement for the WST and make a new one with Lanoha for a project between $50-100 million and up to $17 million in TIF funds.  Project is for sure progressing.


Does anyone know how much TIF funds were granted for WST? Or what the WST cost was? I know the scale of the Lanoha project has had a lot of variability where it has been mentioned (Between 10 and 25 floors I think?). Maybe it could give us a better idea of how much interest they are getting and what scale they are currently looking at if we compare? Not really sure how all that works to be honest!

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Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:38 pm

Varsity wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:
matthewgoett wrote:Has anyone heard anything else for this plot. Just wondering if Lanaha was serious or not. :shock:


There is a mention in next week's agenda.  Says that they will dissolve the former TIF agreement for the WST and make a new one with Lanoha for a project between $50-100 million and up to $17 million in TIF funds.  Project is for sure progressing.


Does anyone know how much TIF funds were granted for WST? Or what the WST cost was? I know the scale of the Lanoha project has had a lot of variability where it has been mentioned (Between 10 and 25 floors I think?). Maybe it could give us a better idea of how much interest they are getting and what scale they are currently looking at if we compare? Not really sure how all that works to be honest!


That project got $15.6 million. This current proposal is starting off the request at $5.5 million but there is a possibility that they could raise it up to $17 million if the project needs to be bigger. Basically the move right now is so the developer can restart the 15 year development clock that exists on TIF agreements.

There is still a lot up in the air on this project. I would be really surprised if they get to break ground here before 2015 honestly.

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Postby Collin » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:56 pm

New high-rise planned for downtown Omaha

On Tuesday, the City Council will consider an updated tax increment finance plan to help Omaha’s Lanoha Development build the project.

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Postby guitarguy » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:42 pm

KETV is airing a special on this at 10 tonight.
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Postby Coyote » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:13 pm

Just saw the 30 second article. They didn't say much that isn't already posted, but there are drawings out by TACK Architects.
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Postby guitarguy » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:43 pm

Are the drawings the same as previously posted here? Gosh this forum is so far ahead of KETV..
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Postby Coyote » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:47 pm

guitarguy wrote:Are the drawings the same as previously posted here? Gosh this forum is so far ahead of KETV..


I believe it was the same rendering Garrett posted on Nov 17th:

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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:28 am

Coyote wrote:Just saw the 30 second article. They didn't say much that isn't already posted, but there are drawings out by TACK Architects.


Yeah, nothing the agenda didn't say. I still think it is important for projects like this to have a lot of pub.

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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:08 pm

The very wide range of possibilities offered up in the agenda.

10,000-40,000 SF retail and/or between 5-8 floors of parking(550-880 stalls) and/or between 10-15 floors of office space(220,000-330,000 SF) and/or between 3-5 floors of condos(24 to 40 units).

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Postby MTO » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:03 pm

I see the scalability as only a plus as far as the best road for getting something built. Yes I know if it's not 400 or more then it's not good enough... Screw that if it's half the size it's half the size but it's still beats a whole one block dirty pit in the CBD. And now I'm crossing my fingers and hope the stars line up for it all.
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Postby Turtle9160 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:20 pm

Are those the renderings from the news? I havent seen the new ones, it looks odd but in a good way. Indeed lets hope this happens can fill in that funky looking dirt lot

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Postby ShawJ » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:25 pm

Turtle9160 wrote:Are those the renderings from the news? I havent seen the new ones, it looks odd but in a good way. Indeed lets hope this happens can fill in that funky looking dirt lot


I found it on the TACKarchitects Facebook page.

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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:03 pm

Would be a very nice addition to downtown. Even better if they can put a well known company inside the building.

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Postby matthewgoett » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:48 pm

Those are cool renderings of the building. I do not like the hyatt garage in the Market and do not really think this sitting on top of a garage is going to be attractive either. :(

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Postby ShawJ » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:06 pm

I think it's way too early to worry about that. The ones I posted appear to be very early conceptual drawings.

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Postby RNcyanide » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:13 pm

I'm really stoked about this. I love the design of this project, it looks like nothing else that we have downtown right now. Plus, this might be the beginning of more cutting edge design to come in the future. :clap:
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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:30 pm

matthewgoett wrote:Those are cool renderings of the building. I do not like the hyatt garage in the Market and do not really think this sitting on top of a garage is going to be attractive either. :(


It was mentioned in one of the articles that the design would hide the garage with steel plates(?). There are lots of examples in other cities of parking garages being much better hidden than the Hyatt was.

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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:30 pm

Of minimal note. I noticed the other day that he for sale signs were no liger on the property.

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Postby skinzfan23 » Wed May 14, 2014 8:18 am

The story didn't provide any more details, just that the site is officially sold and TIF has been transferred from the Wall Street project. I wonder when we will hear some more about the plans for the site.

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Postby NovakOmaha » Wed May 14, 2014 10:14 am

skinzfan23 wrote:The story didn't provide any more details, just that the site is officially sold and TIF has been transferred from the Wall Street project.  I wonder when we will hear some more about the plans for the site.


I don't think he'd pony up 2-3 million if he wasnt confident. I'm assuming he financed it and if so the bank is on board. It's very good news.

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Postby MTO » Wed May 14, 2014 2:56 pm

Well, one step closer.
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Postby MadMartin8 » Wed May 14, 2014 5:20 pm

We'll start off thinking this will be 25 stories, but ultimately get a 5 story building after the plans have been slashed. This is Omaha development and this is a supposedly big project we're talking about afterall.
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Postby Busguy2010 » Thu May 15, 2014 1:41 am

MadMartin8 wrote:We'll start off thinking this will be 25 stories, but ultimately get a 5 story building after the plans have been slashed. This is Omaha development and this is a supposedly big project we're talking about afterall.


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Postby RNcyanide » Thu May 15, 2014 7:18 am

MadMartin8 wrote:We'll start off thinking this will be 25 stories, but ultimately get a 5 story building after the plans have been slashed. This is Omaha development and this is a supposedly big project we're talking about afterall.


I'm really hoping they make it taller than 250'. We have a lot of buildings downtown that are pretty much the same height, give or take 10'.

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Postby guitarguy » Thu May 15, 2014 10:14 am

I'm staying optomistic on this one after the vacancy statistics released this year. We have reached the point where we need large amamounts of new space if we are to keep the momentum going downtown.
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