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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby Louie » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:28 am

MTO wrote:The best grocery store in town is at village point but if you can not find enough sustenance to survive at either Patrick's, Wohlner's or the farmer's market then you're stuck in a 50s consumption model.

There's a grocery store out there?

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby Athomsfere » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:39 am

MTO wrote:Nothing cool or niche about Hy-Vee not a single thing.


I'd argue against this. When I first moved to Omaha I fell in love with Hy-Vee because they sold a few random things I couldn't find in H-E-B or Dillons previously. The first major thing was fresh bean sprouts, but the whole employee owned / we'll carry random stuff customers want philosophy really does put it a notch above most grocery store chains to me. And the little cards aren't required to get the real prices (discounts). Kroger's implementation upset me off as I watched prices rise sharply when they launched their cards just to give a "discount" with your member card.

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby buildomaha » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:28 am

Athomsfere wrote:
MTO wrote:Nothing cool or niche about Hy-Vee not a single thing.


I'd argue against this. When I first moved to Omaha I fell in love with Hy-Vee because they sold a few random things I couldn't find in H-E-B or Dillons previously. The first major thing was fresh bean sprouts, but the whole employee owned / we'll carry random stuff customers want philosophy really does put it a notch above most grocery store chains to me. And the little cards aren't required to get the real prices (discounts). Kroger's implementation upset me off as I watched prices rise sharply when they launched their cards just to give a "discount" with your member card.

I ageee hyvee is great!

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby choke » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:23 am

Athomsfere wrote:
MTO wrote:Nothing cool or niche about Hy-Vee not a single thing.


I'd argue against this. When I first moved to Omaha I fell in love with Hy-Vee because they sold a few random things I couldn't find in H-E-B or Dillons previously. The first major thing was fresh bean sprouts, but the whole employee owned / we'll carry random stuff customers want philosophy really does put it a notch above most grocery store chains to me. And the little cards aren't required to get the real prices (discounts). Kroger's implementation upset me off as I watched prices rise sharply when they launched their cards just to give a "discount" with your member card.


Plus, Coyote's Hy-Vee has a mac-and-cheese bar. That's cutting edge.

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby nebugeater » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:15 am

MTO wrote:The best grocery store in town is at village point but if you can not find enough sustenance to survive at either Patrick's, Wohlner's or the farmer's market then you're stuck in a 50s consumption model.


Would you kindly let me know what grocery store is at Village Point? I would like to know what and where it is so I can try it and see for myself.
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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby jjjjhskr » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:25 am

Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.
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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby Coyote » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:26 am

There hasn't been a grocery store at Village Pointe since Wild Oats was bought out by Whole Foods and closed the place in 2007.
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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby Garrett » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:59 am

Coyote wrote:Does anyone have plans for DTO Des Moines Hy-Vee, and if was going to be any different than 'Regular ' model? Have they ever built a high end store?

DTO Des Moines huh? Sounds like quite the place. :;):

On a serious note, I think it's supposed to be smaller than a normal store, around 35k sq.ft. I know these days that they've been increasing the size of their organic departments due to shifting demand, so that would probably be a significant component.
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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:12 pm

Garrett wrote:
Coyote wrote:Does anyone have plans for DTO Des Moines Hy-Vee, and if was going to be any different than 'Regular ' model? Have they ever built a high end store?

DTO Des Moines huh? Sounds like quite the place. :;):

On a serious note, I think it's supposed to be smaller than a normal store, around 35k sq.ft. I know these days that they've been increasing the size of their organic departments due to shifting demand, so that would probably be a significant component.


I believe it included the Market Grille and their bar too.

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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Linkin5 wrote:Is MTO a millennial hipster?


You forgot to add "Urbanist"..

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby daveoma » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:00 pm

Greg S wrote:
MTO wrote:I'd rather have our local Wholner's, Patrick's and the 10th street farmers market than a Hy-Vee servicing downtown.



I think with that line up I'd still have to drive to a Hy Vee , Baker's or SuperTarget to finish my shopping. Fairly limited selection.

Greg

I agree. When I lived downtown I was only a couple blocks away from Patrick's, but I only went there when I needed a few items. I did most of my grocery shopping at Bag N Save on Vinton.

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby daveoma » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:09 pm

jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


I love these ideas. I think the square should be the existing Gene Leahy Mall. I love the idea of walking amongst the trees and viewing sculptures. I prefer the idea of a museum district over a museum on the riverfront, unless the museum on the river was relevant to the history of it. I think new museums on physician mutual's land and north of Davenport street would be a perfect place for new museums.

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby buildomaha » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:04 am

jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


My gold vision for downtown is a combination of a lot of ideas i've seen on the forums, it starts with GL mall being completely rethought and turned into something resembling a mini river walk with restaurants and nice retail on the edge. This would be the "main square" with my dream of a big magnificent, mixed use (office and residential) skyscraper on the current library sport :;): . Next I think that the riverfront first and foremost needs to be planned out much better starting out with better connection and a completely unified riverfront, rather bits and pieces here and there that wouldn't cross most people's mind when thinking "what should I go explore today downtown" (heartland am park, ricks area). The riverfront could be tied in with the mall like it is supposed to be (but conagra, railroad, etc :roll: ) and at this point my wish is for conagra to get the f out of here and extend the old market to also integrate with the riverfront (heartland am park). I think the riverfront would be a genius place to have museums, but they need to look good and fit in to the area, we SHOULD NOT plop some buildings down on the riverfront just to deal with the lack of anything there. It needs something to make it a destination, so museums are great. Now to deal with the library. It definitely would fit in nicely in the tetrad development if it had some really cool and exciting architecture and modern integration like do space. I think the newly proposed arts district in North Downtown is the cherry on top to make the downtown a great place (other than a darn streetcar and 480 in the dirt!!!)

FYI: Most of these ideas are not regarding the current challenges like money, lead in dirt on riverfront, etc. I understand people want things right now, but it's worth the time to take into account how amazing downtown could be if we take it to its full potential. It will take lots more money and time to do it right, but it is important to get it right because downtown is the gleaming heart of a city and the signature of any city. Hit a home run (even if it takes a while to get there) and people will be dying to come see Omaha(:

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby jjjjhskr » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:28 pm

I'm thinking something like this for a science museum on the river. Milwaukee Art Museum.
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Postby GetUrban » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:28 pm

jjjjhskr wrote:I'm thinking something like this for a science museum on the river. Milwaukee Art Museum.


That is a great building! It only cost $121 million in 1998. Maybe we can get a few big donors and get Calatrava to design something for us too. 8)
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Postby MTO » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:52 pm

121 in 98 would be something like 300 million today.
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Postby mistergutierrez » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:50 pm

Noooooo!!!!!! Everyone but Calatrava. As Spaniard I have suffered that "architect" for sooooo long. All Spain is covered by his works, which only have two things in common: a massive representation of his ego and massive overcosts for taxpayers, both in construction and maintenance. That guy is a hustler.

For instance, he sued the city of Bilbao for $3M for "moral damages to an intellectual property" because the city added an access ramp for wheelchairs. That bridge (pasarela Zubizuri) also caused the city a lot of money in demands because the glass used is super cool at night when it is illuminated, but it is highly slippery when it rains, 180 days per year in that city. So, they cover the bridge with a carpet, no more lights displays. He does not give a f**k about the location of his works, like his bridge in Jerusalem.

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jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


A downtown city square would fit nicely on the W Dale Clark property (once the library abandons it) following their move to the old Civic block. Already on the bus line, a new integrated Metro transfer station (Metro BRT, B-cycle, taxi-stands, Uber, airport shuttle, Amtrak shuttle...horse-drawn carriages) could be built adjacent to the city square to maximize pedestrian traffic. Close to large corporations, hotels, Old Market, CLink. Large enough to accommodate summer festivals. Geographically, it is centrally located within the heart of the business district and visually, it would align with the popular skyline views. All great cities have squares: Trafalgar Square, Piazza del Campo, Plaza Mayor, Red Square, St. Peter’s Square,Times Square... etc.
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Postby Athomsfere » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:22 pm

jjjjhskr wrote:I'm thinking something like this for a science museum on the river. Milwaukee Art Museum.


I'll throw out there one of two interesting architectural pieces in Wichita, Kansas.

Exploration Place (science museum), and budget friendly-ish at $62m.

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Postby jjjjhskr » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:53 am

Aspire Omaha wrote:
jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


A downtown city square would fit nicely on the W Dale Clark property (once the library abandons it) following their move to the old Civic block. Already on the bus line, a new integrated Metro transfer station (Metro BRT, B-cycle, taxi-stands, Uber, airport shuttle, Amtrak shuttle...horse-drawn carriages) could be built adjacent to the city square to maximize pedestrian traffic. Close to large corporations, hotels, Old Market, CLink. Large enough to accommodate summer festivals. Geographically, it is centrally located within the heart of the business district and visually, it would align with the popular skyline views. All great cities have squares: Trafalgar Square, Piazza del Campo, Plaza Mayor, Red Square, St. Peter’s Square,Times Square... etc.[/quote

That is exactly what I would want! a hub for the city, a meeting place, and something that makes a statement about Omaha.
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Postby jjjjhskr » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:54 am

Athomsfere wrote:
jjjjhskr wrote:I'm thinking something like this for a science museum on the river. Milwaukee Art Museum.


I'll throw out there one of two interesting architectural pieces in Wichita, Kansas.

Exploration Place (science museum), and budget friendly-ish at $62m.

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Aspire Omaha wrote:
jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


A downtown city square would fit nicely on the W Dale Clark property (once the library abandons it) following their move to the old Civic block. Already on the bus line, a new integrated Metro transfer station (Metro BRT, B-cycle, taxi-stands, Uber, airport shuttle, Amtrak shuttle...horse-drawn carriages) could be built adjacent to the city square to maximize pedestrian traffic. Close to large corporations, hotels, Old Market, CLink. Large enough to accommodate summer festivals. Geographically, it is centrally located within the heart of the business district and visually, it would align with the popular skyline views. All great cities have squares: Trafalgar Square, Piazza del Campo, Plaza Mayor, Red Square, St. Peter’s Square,Times Square... etc.

Is it just me or would a skyscraper look out of place on the library lot. I'd much rather have a square and let a tower fill one of the numerous parking lots downtown.
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Postby mahaboy » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:08 pm

PotatoeEatsFish wrote:
Aspire Omaha wrote:
jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


A downtown city square would fit nicely on the W Dale Clark property (once the library abandons it) following their move to the old Civic block. Already on the bus line, a new integrated Metro transfer station (Metro BRT, B-cycle, taxi-stands, Uber, airport shuttle, Amtrak shuttle...horse-drawn carriages) could be built adjacent to the city square to maximize pedestrian traffic. Close to large corporations, hotels, Old Market, CLink. Large enough to accommodate summer festivals. Geographically, it is centrally located within the heart of the business district and visually, it would align with the popular skyline views. All great cities have squares: Trafalgar Square, Piazza del Campo, Plaza Mayor, Red Square, St. Peter’s Square,Times Square... etc.

Is it just me or would a skyscraper look out of place on the library lot. I'd much rather have a square and let a tower fill one of the numerous parking lots downtown.


Completely agree. The library spot would be a great center place for downtown. The empty lot at 14th and Capitol would be a great spot for a skyscraper.

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Re: Tetrad Development (Civic Auditorium)

Postby buildomaha » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:41 pm

PotatoeEatsFish wrote:
Aspire Omaha wrote:
jjjjhskr wrote:Thoughts -

I would love for Omaha to have a true downtown Square - a gathering place for people with statues, art, and a walk of fame. if you agree, where would you put it? I'm thinking it should go where Wall Street tower was going to be built.

If Omaha builds a new library I hope it is a piece of art architecturally like so many cities have. Omaha needs some great architecture.

We need a museum of science and industry/innovation which should be located downtown possibly in the capitol district so it's close to the Joslyn. It would be great to have a museum district. My other thought is to put it on the river.


A downtown city square would fit nicely on the W Dale Clark property (once the library abandons it) following their move to the old Civic block. Already on the bus line, a new integrated Metro transfer station (Metro BRT, B-cycle, taxi-stands, Uber, airport shuttle, Amtrak shuttle...horse-drawn carriages) could be built adjacent to the city square to maximize pedestrian traffic. Close to large corporations, hotels, Old Market, CLink. Large enough to accommodate summer festivals. Geographically, it is centrally located within the heart of the business district and visually, it would align with the popular skyline views. All great cities have squares: Trafalgar Square, Piazza del Campo, Plaza Mayor, Red Square, St. Peter’s Square,Times Square... etc.

Is it just me or would a skyscraper look out of place on the library lot. I'd much rather have a square and let a tower fill one of the numerous parking lots downtown.


Yeah I understand about the library spot and a skyscraper. I know a lot of people have mentioned the signature Omaha picture with the mall/big red giants/ woodmen lined up and it would mess with it I guess. I guess I'm just hungry for some heighth and this would be the easiest location to get someone committed to a large building.

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