The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

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The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby symphie » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:48 am

This thing has been empty for years, i'm getting sad looking at it. I wasn't sure what to search in the forums but i'm sure there is an extant thread on this already. I know there was going to be some type of development here long ago, but haven't heard anything else since then; I am starting to worry it will never be used.

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Re: Will anything ever happen with this lot? (15th & Dodge)

Postby RNcyanide » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:16 am

http://tackarch.com/portfolio/1416-dodge/

After the HDR debacle, good luck. OPAS has nothing to do with this lot, but they succeeded in showing any suburban companies that it's a huge pain in the aśś to build downtown.
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Re: Will anything ever happen with this lot? (15th & Dodge)

Postby Linkin5 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:25 am

Ideally, I would still like to see a residential high rise whether it be apartment or condos, or a combination of both.

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Re: Will anything ever happen with this lot? (15th & Dodge)

Postby MTO » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:12 pm

Linkin5 wrote:Ideally, I would still like to see a residential high rise whether it be apartment or condos, or a combination of both.


And there's no reason why we couldn't get one there they are trendy right now they're popping up all across the country. But they better hurry before the economy turns these building booms are always punctuated by economic folly.
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Re: Will anything ever happen with this lot? (15th & Dodge)

Postby symphie » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:30 pm

RNcyanide wrote:http://tackarch.com/portfolio/1416-dodge/

After the HDR debacle, good luck. OPAS has nothing to do with this lot, but they succeeded in showing any suburban companies that it's a huge pain in the aśś to build downtown.


Are there restrictions from the city for what can be built on the lot? It seems like such a prime location (skyline wise at least). As I think about it though, some tiny project there would be pretty underwhelming.

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Re: Will anything ever happen with this lot? (15th & Dodge)

Postby RNcyanide » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:50 pm

symphie wrote:
RNcyanide wrote:http://tackarch.com/portfolio/1416-dodge/

After the HDR debacle, good luck. OPAS has nothing to do with this lot, but they succeeded in showing any suburban companies that it's a huge pain in the aśś to build downtown.


Are there restrictions from the city for what can be built on the lot? It seems like such a prime location (skyline wise at least). As I think about it though, some tiny project there would be pretty underwhelming.


For the time being, the land downtown is salted ground.
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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby bigredmed » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:25 pm

Land in Aksarben Village is running low, but if you are plunking down 500 employees, you are going to catch a lot less resistance there, than downtown.

Between people who would kill children to preserve an antique light fixture and the rich power brokers who want to throw their weight around, you are correct, land down there is a long walk for a short hike.

I would not bet on downtown development for the next 5-10 years.

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby MTO » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:36 am

Meanwhile in most midwestern cities downtown has become red hot.

http://urbanland.uli.org/development-business/special-section-midwest-3/
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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby symphie » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:27 pm

MTO wrote:Meanwhile in most midwestern cities downtown has become red hot.

http://urbanland.uli.org/development-business/special-section-midwest-3/


I wonder if there is some sort of aversion to living in DT for a lot of the city's residents. I did have someone tell me that because there is more room to "build out" rather than "build up" (in comparison to other cities?), that is what most businesses are doing expansion wise.

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby riceweb » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:45 pm

There's just not much reason to live in downtown versus our great midtown neighborhoods. There's a huge contiguous stretch of great neighborhoods in Midtown: up north Country Club, Benson, Dundee; central Midtown Crossing, Blackstone, and Field Club; southwest Morton Meadows and Aksarben. Downtown, by comparison, almost feels like it's on an island, and it's a fairly small area.

Downtown currently has nothing to its east, minimal infrastructure to the south, and one of Omaha's most depressed neighborhoods to the south. That's not a foundation for success. If Playland Park in CB takes off and if North Downtown continues to add residents and if a streetcar ever runs up and down 10th and 13th Streets, downtown might become the place to be, but until and unless those things happen, I expect most of the city's development energy to be focused on midtown areas.

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby Linkin5 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:04 pm

riceweb wrote:There's just not much reason to live in downtown versus our great midtown neighborhoods. There's a huge contiguous stretch of great neighborhoods in Midtown: up north Country Club, Benson, Dundee; central Midtown Crossing, Blackstone, and Field Club; southwest Morton Meadows and Aksarben. Downtown, by comparison, almost feels like it's on an island, and it's a fairly small area.

Downtown currently has nothing to its east, minimal infrastructure to the south, and one of Omaha's most depressed neighborhoods to the south. That's not a foundation for success. If Playland Park in CB takes off and if North Downtown continues to add residents and if a streetcar ever runs up and down 10th and 13th Streets, downtown might become the place to be, but until and unless those things happen, I expect most of the city's development energy to be focused on midtown areas.


What neighborhood are you referring to in South Omaha?!

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:28 pm

Linkin5 wrote:
riceweb wrote:There's just not much reason to live in downtown versus our great midtown neighborhoods. There's a huge contiguous stretch of great neighborhoods in Midtown: up north Country Club, Benson, Dundee; central Midtown Crossing, Blackstone, and Field Club; southwest Morton Meadows and Aksarben. Downtown, by comparison, almost feels like it's on an island, and it's a fairly small area.

Downtown currently has nothing to its east, minimal infrastructure to the south, and one of Omaha's most depressed neighborhoods to the south. That's not a foundation for success. If Playland Park in CB takes off and if North Downtown continues to add residents and if a streetcar ever runs up and down 10th and 13th Streets, downtown might become the place to be, but until and unless those things happen, I expect most of the city's development energy to be focused on midtown areas.


What neighborhood are you referring to in South Omaha?!


I'm sure he can come on and clarify his commentary.. But I believe he meant North...

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby iamjacobm » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:50 pm

Downtown isn't nearly as barren as these comments are making it out to be. Nearly $300 million u/c right now and there is always something in predevelopment that John Q. Public isn't aware of.

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:02 am

iamjacobm wrote:Downtown isn't nearly as barren as these comments are making it out to be. Nearly $300 million u/c right now and there is always something in predevelopment that John Q. Public isn't aware of.


Agreed..

But this forum would not be consistent with what it's evolved into in recent years if we didn't have the gloom and doom negativity...

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby MadMartin8 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:58 am

Future site of the EOmahaforums world HQ. A 45 story building complete with first through 10th floor Hyvee, interoffice light rail and BRT between floors, and observation deck/bitch-o-drome on top for comparing ourselves to Lincoln or Des Moines.
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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby GRANDPASMUCKER » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:15 am

MadMartin8 wrote:Future site of the EOmahaforums world HQ. A 45 story building complete with first through 10th floor Hyvee, interoffice light rail and BRT between floors, and observation deck/bitch-o-drome on top for comparing ourselves to Lincoln or Des Moines.


Don't forget to have a permanent lane in front of the place reserved just for Food Trucks........we know how some of these guys around here are connoisseurs of fine eating. :lol:

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Re: The current/future state of 1416 Dodge

Postby riceweb » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:51 pm

Linkin5 wrote:
riceweb wrote:There's just not much reason to live in downtown versus our great midtown neighborhoods. There's a huge contiguous stretch of great neighborhoods in Midtown: up north Country Club, Benson, Dundee; central Midtown Crossing, Blackstone, and Field Club; southwest Morton Meadows and Aksarben. Downtown, by comparison, almost feels like it's on an island, and it's a fairly small area.

Downtown currently has nothing to its east, minimal infrastructure to the south, and one of Omaha's most depressed neighborhoods to the south. That's not a foundation for success. If Playland Park in CB takes off and if North Downtown continues to add residents and if a streetcar ever runs up and down 10th and 13th Streets, downtown might become the place to be, but until and unless those things happen, I expect most of the city's development energy to be focused on midtown areas.


What neighborhood are you referring to in South Omaha?!


Not far south, just the area immediately south of downtown. 16th and 20th Streets are not attracting investment, and investment along 10th St has been tepid compared to Omaha's midtown neighborhoods. When you combine no immediate neighbors to the east, a north downtown area that still has a long ways to go, and a small consumer base immediately to the south of downtown, you're sometimes going to struggle to attract investors to the area.

That said, I agree with iamjacobm, I love our downtown. I just see some a few hurdles for downtown that our midtown neighborhoods have not had to face.


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