Midtown Crossing

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby omaha79 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:05 pm

As many of us have predicted for some time, Grane is closing at the end of the month...

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby HR Paperstacks » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:31 pm

It's really dying down here right now. But I feel like it will work itself out. They just need to get more affordable options instead of trying to be a pricey entertainment destination. I barely go to most of the places because it's not reasonable for me to go often.

Some have said that Goin' Postal didn't seem to fit the area but it was a really convenient thing for me tonight as I had to mail something. It was nice not having to drive somewhere to do that. And after that I stopped by Chicago Dawg for a quick bite. These nice conveniences are what a mixed use area needs. Practical necessities for the residents. Basically a mini town within the city. It doesn't need to be some kind of entertainment district.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby omaha79 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:46 am

HR Paperstacks wrote:It's really dying down here right now. But I feel like it will work itself out. They just need to get more affordable options instead of trying to be a pricey entertainment destination. I barely go to most of the places because it's not reasonable for me to go often.

Some have said that Goin' Postal didn't seem to fit the area but it was a really convenient thing for me tonight as I had to mail something. It was nice not having to drive somewhere to do that. And after that I stopped by Chicago Dawg for a quick bite. These nice conveniences are what a mixed use area needs. Practical necessities for the residents. Basically a mini town within the city. It doesn't need to be some kind of entertainment district.


I agree with this for the most part. It needs to cater to the residents first, area workers second, and beyond that can cater to the public at large as an entertainment district. Compared to other areas of the city, I don't really see this succeeding as the it upscale entertainment district in the city. Too many other options around town that are more convenient to those that have that kind of money.

To this point, I heard a 3rd hand account from the sources I've been getting these closings from that said back in 2008 establishments like Chipotle and Subway wanted to open in MidTown Crossing, but they were given a polite no by the developers. The thought at the time was that these establishments were too low brow and didn't fit the upscale nature they envisioned for the development. The conversation went on to say that those types of businesses would now be welcomed, but it has flipped and the restauranteurs have reservations about placing businesses there due to the recent business failures down there. It's also ironic if MTC didn't want Subway in there that their ultimate choice to place in MTC, Lennies, was at least in part killed by the fact Mutual recently put a Subway in their cafeteria.

Quick casual restaurants should do well there. Most MOO employees get between a 30 and 45 minute lunch. They don't have time to eat at Cantina Laredo, Leadbelly, or Black Oak Grill. Getting the MOO lunch crowd will be even more important going forward if the theater ends up leaving, as expected as the area takes a huge hit as an "entertainment district".

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby bigredmed » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:12 am

Why do you think the theater is going to leave?

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Coyote » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:23 am

bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?


I have heard Marcus is leaving also...
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby bigredmed » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:37 am

Coyote wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?


I have heard Marcus is leaving also...



Do you mean that all of the Marcus theaters are closing?

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Coyote » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:40 am

bigredmed wrote:
Coyote wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?

I have heard Marcus is leaving also...

Do you mean that all of the Marcus theaters are closing?

No, just pulling out of MTC.
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Nick808402 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:10 pm

Anyone know if Grane has Japanese whiskey for retail?

If so, should I buy some now or wait for the possible fire sale?


I've been waiting for months to see if Heritage Food & Wine will fire sale their wine cellar but I've heard nothing, even though I saw some workers clearing out the interior space recently.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby omaha79 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:53 pm

bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?
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This is a rumor that has been circulating for a while now. The theater is struggling. The sources that have been right on every other closing so far this year give the theater roughly 12 months left give or take.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby GRANDPASMUCKER » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:46 am

omaha79 wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?
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This is a rumor that has been circulating for a while now. The theater is struggling. The sources that have been right on every other closing so far this year give the theater roughly 12 months left give or take.



In the paper a week or so back it said that the theater has already notified MIdtown Crossing that they will be closing. The theater told Midtown that they will hang around a little longer until MIdtown finds a tenant to replace them. The article said that since this is a big stall it will be hard to fill and so far they have had no interested parties.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby omaha79 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:24 pm

GRANDPASMUCKER wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Why do you think the theater is going to leave?
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This is a rumor that has been circulating for a while now. The theater is struggling. The sources that have been right on every other closing so far this year give the theater roughly 12 months left give or take.



In the paper a week or so back it said that the theater has already notified MIdtown Crossing that they will be closing. The theater told Midtown that they will hang around a little longer until MIdtown finds a tenant to replace them. The article said that since this is a big stall it will be hard to fill and so far they have had no interested parties.


do you know which article? I can't find anything like that in the world herald.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby iamjacobm » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:05 pm

It appears the movie theater is going to be turned into 57,000 SF of office space.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby MTO » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:27 pm

Awesome we need to hear more employment news for the area.
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Linkin5 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:38 pm

So disappointing. An Alamo Drafthouse would have been so perfect here.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby nebugeater » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:29 pm

Living in Gretna I do a fair amount DT (MT) in Omaha but I have to say I never saw a movie here. That is a factor of other closer options and not seeing many movies in the theater. That being said I hate to see this go and think this will be a bigger loss to the focus of the development than a restaurant or retail that can come and go much easier.
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby HR Paperstacks » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:47 pm

nebugeater wrote:Living in Gretna I do a fair amount DT (MT) in Omaha but I have to say I never saw a movie here. That is a factor of other closer options and not seeing many movies in the theater. That being said I hate to see this go and think this will be a bigger loss to the focus of the development than a restaurant or retail that can come and go much easier.

Well I live down there and I've never seen a movie there either.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby iamjacobm » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:49 pm

I guess its hard for me to call something that is barely used a loss.

57K SF of office could bring a few hundred more people down there from 9-5 and help the lunch spots.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby nebugeater » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:54 pm

iamjacobm wrote:I guess its hard for me to call something that is barely used a loss.

57K SF of office could bring a few hundred more people down there from 9-5 and help the lunch spots.


I get what you are saying but then that goes to why was it barely used?

Was it not enough people in the area
Parking that people were not happy with
Too difficult to get to and from
Not enough to do before or after a movie
bad theater layout
Too expensive

I really have no idea but on the surface this seems like something that should have worked.
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby schumatt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:26 pm

nebugeater wrote:I get what you are saying but then that goes to why was it barely used?


A few opinions:

Seats - Unless you were in the balcony of the first theater (where they had comfy leather seats), sitting in the CineDine seating was basically like sitting in an office chair at a countertop. Not a great experience. Also, the "regular" seats were only the first few rows, the ones so close that people only sat there as a last resort. As other Marcus theaters were adding DreamLounger seats, the already bad seating was even more of a turn off.

Food - Originally the theater had typical concessions fare and full-service meal options. The full-service food was just OK and overpriced, and in the last year or so they killed off the traditional concession stand (including the Marcus pretzel bites which are my FAVORITE!)

Parking - Midtown offers 3 hours free garage parking. If you just go to the movie that's fine. Go to a restaurant then a movie, and you're in paid parking territory. And we all know Omahans do NOT pay for parking, even if it's only a buck or two. Also, there's no great way to get from the garage to the theater directly. See above: Omahans also hate walking from parking.

Price - Originally the theater was priced at a premium. They quickly fell in line, but possibly after too many people had already written it off as the "expensive" theater.

I will also say the last few times I was there on Marcus's $5 Tuesday, the balcony seating (only place I would choose to sit) was overrun by parents who brought their too-young children and let them run up and down the aisles. The kids were too young for a PG-13 or R rated movie and the parents made no effort to keep them quiet.

I agree Alamo Drafthouse could have been a great success here. It has enough of a premium offering and caters to movie buffs to make it a destination. The Marcus theater, though, was just a small, mediocre experience with some significant drawbacks.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby buildomaha » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:13 pm

nebugeater wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:I guess its hard for me to call something that is barely used a loss.

57K SF of office could bring a few hundred more people down there from 9-5 and help the lunch spots.


I get what you are saying but then that goes to why was it barely used?

Was it not enough people in the area
Parking that people were not happy with
Too difficult to get to and from
Not enough to do before or after a movie
bad theater layout
Too expensive

I really have no idea but on the surface this seems like something that should have worked.

Someone is not going to drive to midtown to see a movie and if there are enough people living near the theater, there's just so much else to do in that part of town that a movie doesn't seem as appealing.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby choke » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:13 pm

Per KETV Channel 7:

Movie theater space at Midtown Crossing is for lease

Developers market Marcus Cinema space as office space


KETV NewsWatch 7's efforts to reach Midtown Crossing, CBRE and Marcus Theaters have been unsuccessful.


http://www.ketv.com/article/movie-theater-space-at-midtown-crossing-is-for-lease/9089865

I think KETV reads "Omaha Forums" :D

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:49 pm

I have been to one movie here and quite a few screenings of Creighton basketball before they were in the Big East and all their games were on tv. I can echo the sentiment that sitting in the seats was an awful experience. If you tried to rest back in your seat, you couldn't even see the bottom of the movie screen. I remember paying $15-16 for a bland pizza with a ton of grease.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby omaha79 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:47 pm

the movie going experience became awful really quick there. At first, the Cinedine was a novelty and people went out of their way to go there. But, those office chairs were horrid and as time went on became more and more uncomfortable with wear. Marcus then renovated all of their other theaters with better seating. The food was mediocre at best...Then, Alamo Drafthouse opened with better food and drinks at cheaper prices. A much better atmosphere too. It's closer to more people that are inclined to spend money on entertainment. I pretty much entirely go to Alamo these days. Maybe AMC Oak View when I want to be cheap, but that's about it. Rarely, Twin Creek and even rarer AkSarBen. I think I was at mid town for a movie once in the last 3 years.

I won't miss this place.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Dundeemaha » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:24 am

Yeah, it really seems like they bet on Cine-dine and should have bet on lounge chairs.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:29 am

Fate of Marcus’ Midtown Cinema still uncertain, but its box-office numbers trail other Omaha theaters

Of the 10 first-runs in the metro area, Midtown Cinema typically has the lowest box-office performance each weekend, according to comScore, an industry service that tracks exhibitor performance. The Midtown theater also has the fewest screens.

According to comScore, Marcus’ own Majestic, at 144th Street and West Maple Road, and Twin Creek in Bellevue make up more than 50 percent of sales in the movie theater market each weekend. They’re followed by AMC’s Bluffs 17 and Marcus’ Village Pointe.

From there, AMC’s Oak View, Aksarben Cinema and Alamo Drafthouse compete for a top 5 spot.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Garrett » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:37 am

skinzfan23 wrote:Fate of Marcus’ Midtown Cinema still uncertain, but its box-office numbers trail other Omaha theaters

Of the 10 first-runs in the metro area, Midtown Cinema typically has the lowest box-office performance each weekend, according to comScore, an industry service that tracks exhibitor performance. The Midtown theater also has the fewest screens.

According to comScore, Marcus’ own Majestic, at 144th Street and West Maple Road, and Twin Creek in Bellevue make up more than 50 percent of sales in the movie theater market each weekend. They’re followed by AMC’s Bluffs 17 and Marcus’ Village Pointe.

From there, AMC’s Oak View, Aksarben Cinema and Alamo Drafthouse compete for a top 5 spot.

Funny to think that just a few short years ago Majestic/20 Grand was the one scraping the bottom. Just goes to show what a good renovation can do
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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Omaha_Gabe » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:45 am

We used to go there quite often, but like most have said the food went down hill. The seats were comfortable unless you were on the upper level. The issue with that was there was a small TV Tray-like area that barely fit a plate. As for movies, they did not show many of the new release. (mostly kid films) We have 2 kids and used to go there for movies but they stopped showing all the major ones so we continued to go to AMC CB. Parking wasn't bad at MTC for us but other theaters are closer so nothing to go out of our way for.

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Re: Midtown Crossing

Postby Athomsfere » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:10 pm

buildomaha wrote:
nebugeater wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:I guess its hard for me to call something that is barely used a loss.

57K SF of office could bring a few hundred more people down there from 9-5 and help the lunch spots.


I get what you are saying but then that goes to why was it barely used?

Was it not enough people in the area
Parking that people were not happy with
Too difficult to get to and from
Not enough to do before or after a movie
bad theater layout
Too expensive

I really have no idea but on the surface this seems like something that should have worked.

Someone is not going to drive to midtown to see a movie and if there are enough people living near the theater, there's just so much else to do in that part of town that a movie doesn't seem as appealing.


My thoughts exactly, I was living right there practically and never watched a movie, ever... except at Turner Park.


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