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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Linkin5 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:29 pm

Looks awesome thanks Coyote!

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:30 pm

Will they spiffy up the land between the building and the river?
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Coyote » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:41 pm

You mean the Railroad Tracks?

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:56 pm

Yes, they need a polish.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Louie » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:14 pm

MTO wrote:Yes, they need a polish.

Like an SOS pad or something...

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:09 pm

Louie wrote:
MTO wrote:Yes, they need a polish.

Like an SOS pad or something...


I'm sure there's a machine, or an app for that.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby U R my Helix » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:28 pm

I have a program called Tracks Eraser Pro that removes unwanted items. You might need the paid version for this project.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby iamjacobm » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:25 am

Thinking this one is going to be called "Breakers." Thats what the TIF request is under.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby bigredmed » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:29 am

Looks like the apartments on the east are going to have a lot of rail noise and some crappy views.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Linkin5 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:36 am

bigredmed wrote:Looks like the apartments on the east are going to have a lot of rail noise and some crappy views.


You don't want the scenic views of Council Bluffs?

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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Linkin5 wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Looks like the apartments on the east are going to have a lot of rail noise and some crappy views.


You don't want the scenic views of Council Bluffs?


Even the most dedicated urban hipster is going to have a hard time wrapping their heads around living there.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Brad » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:16 pm

Honestly, I think the back up power plant will be a bigger turn-off than the rail yard. Its not like tha's the mainline and there will still be plenty of river views if you are in the east side. I don't think all the people on the east side of riverfront place buy for the views of CB, they all talk about the river.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:21 pm

It will be a nice change of scenery for those units: trains, river, Kentucky and transients. I wish we could remove those tracks and do a full on river walk.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Busguy2010 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:39 pm

MTO wrote:It will be a nice change of scenery for those units: trains, river, Kentucky and transients. I wish we could remove those tracks and do a full on river walk.


It's going to have to be dealt with. The tracks were there long before anybody wanted to live in an abandoned power plant. Maybe they could remove a couple of tracks, but at least one is always going to be there.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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MTO wrote:I wish we could remove those tracks and do a full on river walk.


That would essentially cut off all rail access to North Downtown/North Omaha.

If you go to any chamber event that takes about growth and industrial development, one of the biggest problems for our metro is the lack of rail served industrial areas. Removing these tracks would wipe out the largest rail served industrial area in our city.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby mattl181 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:52 pm

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MTO wrote:I wish we could remove those tracks and do a full on river walk.


That would essentially cut off all rail access to North Downtown/North Omaha.

If you go to any chamber event that takes about growth and industrial development, one of the biggest problems for our metro is the lack of rail served industrial areas. Removing these tracks would wipe out the largest rail served industrial area in our city.


Would it be possible to put some sort of covered landing over the tracks? I believe I saw something like this in the North Downtown master plan for behind the CenturyLink Center. Might not be feasible to do over the entire length of the riverfront, but could be an option for this place.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:30 pm

Or relocate the track or draw up a new industrial area outside of town.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Coyote » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:08 pm

That would take one heck of a reorganization for a city that made its name from the railroads.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Brad » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:57 pm

To the best of my knowledge,

Canadian National Railroad has 3 Industries up there.
Union Pacific Railroad has a dozen plus the power plant
and to top if off, the tracks behind this development belong to the BNSF and the UP and CN Pay to use them.

These tracks serve a wide area, from the OWH Print facility on 13th and Capitol all the way north to the MUD water plant in Florence. Its also Carter Lake's only access to rail.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:04 pm

Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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MTO wrote:Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.


Unfortunately they are in the process of getting the paperwork to tear it out...

Omaha, Carter Lake, and I think even the railroads have stated they want to keep it. However the coast guard had deemed it a "Navigation Hazard" and are pushing to remove it.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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Brad wrote:
MTO wrote:Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.


Unfortunately they are in the process of getting the paperwork to tear it out...

Omaha, Carter Lake, and I think even the railroads have stated they want to keep it. However the coast guard had deemed it a "Navigation Hazard" and are pushing to remove it.


What navigation? And how is it any more of a navigation hazard compared to the pedestrian bridge?

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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daveoma wrote:
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MTO wrote:Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.


Unfortunately they are in the process of getting the paperwork to tear it out...

Omaha, Carter Lake, and I think even the railroads have stated they want to keep it. However the coast guard had deemed it a "Navigation Hazard" and are pushing to remove it.


What navigation? And how is it any more of a navigation hazard compared to the pedestrian bridge?


I am not sure. I can only think of two things. One, it has no lights on it like all the other bridges in Omaha, and two its much lower than anything else around here.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

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Brad wrote:
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Brad wrote:
MTO wrote:Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.


Unfortunately they are in the process of getting the paperwork to tear it out...

Omaha, Carter Lake, and I think even the railroads have stated they want to keep it. However the coast guard had deemed it a "Navigation Hazard" and are pushing to remove it.


What navigation? And how is it any more of a navigation hazard compared to the pedestrian bridge?


I am not sure. I can only think of two things. One, it has no lights on it like all the other bridges in Omaha, and two its much lower than anything else around here.


Can't you all see it is a navigation hazard to air traffic. All one has to do is look at the down aircraft in the river that is shown in the photo. :D
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby daveoma » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:08 pm

If there was ever a light rail that went into Council Bluffs, I would LOVE for it to cross this historic bridge.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:36 pm

daveoma wrote:If there was ever a light rail that went into Council Bluffs, I would LOVE for it to cross this historic bridge.


Now that would be cool. St Louis MetroLink uses the old tunnels in Downtown and uses the Eads bridge. Great use of existing infrastructure in that case.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 pm

So when's the protest to save the bridge?
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby RNcyanide » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:33 pm

daveoma wrote:If there was ever a light rail that went into Council Bluffs, I would LOVE for it to cross this historic bridge.


They could try to save the main structure then have it elevated to allow regular boat traffic under it, but I wouldn't stake my life on the structural integrity of it...
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby GetUrban » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:35 am

It would be cool to relocate the bridge sections to locations where navigation clearance is not an issue, such as a trail or commuter rail line over the Big Papio or its tributaries.
It seems unrealistic to think it could function as a swing bridge again over the Missouri with an active rail line or trail connection. The 60ft navigation clearance required on the Missouri River limits the functionality, unless the elevation and approaches of the existing bridge could be raised.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby yard salad » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:06 am

daveoma wrote:
Brad wrote:
MTO wrote:Rebuild that bridge just past freedom park.


Unfortunately they are in the process of getting the paperwork to tear it out...

Omaha, Carter Lake, and I think even the railroads have stated they want to keep it. However the coast guard had deemed it a "Navigation Hazard" and are pushing to remove it.


What navigation? And how is it any more of a navigation hazard compared to the pedestrian bridge?


there's still quite a lot of barge traffic on the missouri.

i've been up to that bridge a few times. it's accessible from some of the bike paths in the area. very old and very rusty. you can still see the huge old swivel joints, with ball bearings the size of basketballs, iirc

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby iamjacobm » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:11 pm

Repurpose it as the pedestrian bridge over the RR tracks from NDT to the Ped Bridge 8) .

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby Louie » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:25 am

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Brad wrote:
MTO wrote:I wish we could remove those tracks and do a full on river walk.


That would essentially cut off all rail access to North Downtown/North Omaha.

If you go to any chamber event that takes about growth and industrial development, one of the biggest problems for our metro is the lack of rail served industrial areas. Removing these tracks would wipe out the largest rail served industrial area in our city.


Would it be possible to put some sort of covered landing over the tracks? I believe I saw something like this in the North Downtown master plan for behind the CenturyLink Center. Might not be feasible to do over the entire length of the riverfront, but could be an option for this place.

This would be great idea. It wouldn't even need to be a monstrous job, just build elevated landings as riverfront developments are built. The railroad could be essentially covered by a riverfront deck all the way to Clink.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby HR Paperstacks » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:55 am

So could you build over these landings? That would be pretty cool.

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Postby Louie » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:24 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:So could you build over these landings? That would be pretty cool.

With the proper materials and foundations, I don't see why not.

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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby MTO » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:31 pm

Absolutely that could be done but is there the will to do so.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby RNcyanide » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:37 am

http://www.omaha.com/money/power-plant- ... b79b0.html

Wow, they are really gonna overhaul the site. A lot of the utilities-related stuff will remain. They'll probably dress it up a bit more.
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Re: Southern Riverfront - Old Power Plant

Postby iamjacobm » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:59 am

Awesome project. Very few would take on this kind of challenge.

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Re: The Breakers Apartments - Old Power Plant

Postby Coyote » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:38 am

If this comes close to that, granted some of the landscaping plants will take time to mature, this will be awesome.
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Re: The Breakers Apartments - Old Power Plant

Postby mattl181 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:41 am

Railroad tracks separate NuStyle’s land from the Missouri. But city planners and Heistand said they envision improvements to allow the future bike and pedestrian path along the riverbank that would complete a trail from Bellevue in the south to NP Dodge Park in the north.

“It’s that whole back-to-the-riverfront concept,” Heistand said. “The bike path would be a big piece.”


I like this quote as well. I could envision a bridge over the railroad tracks, to a riverfront trail or, like was discussed above, a landing over the tracks to create green space/trails. What an ambitious project!


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