192nd & Dodge plans

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What they paid is probably right on market. You have to be careful and not compare it to a platted lot or something also on Dodge. The larger the parcel, beyond a single user size the cheaper, also it was unplatted and unimproved.

The cost of surface parking is about 1-2000 per stall and a structure is about 15-20000. You have to have less ground, or the price of said ground has to be many times what they paid to easily financially justify it. It would have to be a total choice, like in this case the covered portion is probably designed to appeal to the uppity ups making leasing decisions so they can have covered parking, the masses can walk from the north 40!
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I don't really see this development as a "bad" thing. You can't force density, especially if you aren't planning on using public funds. Most density is retrofitted into areas which started out far less dense, hence the many infill projects you'll find throughout the entire eastern Dodge St corridor.

Not ideal, but at least something is being built.
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S33 wrote:I don't really see this development as a "bad" thing. You can't force density, especially if you aren't planning on using public funds. Most density is retrofitted into areas which started out far less dense, hence the many infill projects you'll find throughout the entire eastern Dodge St corridor.

Not ideal, but at least something is being built.
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This development is just another disappointment for people who want to see more mixed-use, walkable, sustainable development. Omaha zoning doesn't currently force anybody to develop that way. It would be great if developers would do it without being forced, but they're going to do whatever they can do to maximize profits, so this is what we get. It's hard to justify mixed-use without much density already occurring in the area.

The architecture is quite boring too. That's what makes it even more disappointing.
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I would imagine that in a city like Omaha, with an abundance of cheap land, you've gotta be careful not to "zone" your businesses out of the area.
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S33 wrote:I would imagine that in a city like Omaha, with an abundance of cheap land, you've gotta be careful not to "zone" your businesses out of the area.
True, but at some point of mediocrity, residents are lured away to other cities with more concentrated amenities to enjoy where they work or live. I doubt anybody would decide to move to Omaha so they could get to visit that new development featured a few posts above (or one of the many like it)....unless their employer happens to be located in one of those buildings. They most likely would only go there because they have to.... to get paid.

It's funny though, zoning got us into this mess in the first place decades ago by dictating that office, commercial, industrial, civic, and residential uses should all be separated from each other. But when you put all of those things back together, you get a vibrant city for those who want to experience it that way. You can still have residential only districts too...for those who want it that way.
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192nd & West Dodge Development

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http://www.rrrealty.com/About-Us/News/M ... al-Article
West Des Moines-based R&R Realty Group, which since 1985 has focused on commercial development projects and an ownership-management portfolio that tops six million square feet, is venturing outside of the Hawkeye State with plans to develop Fountain West Office Park in Omaha, a 40-acre campus on the southeast corner of the intersection of 192nd Street and West Dodge Road. The project, which is projected to be in the $75 million to $100 million range, would ultimately contain as many as eight multi-story office buildings totaling about 540,000 square feet.
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That article is nearly 3 years old. I think this property still grows corn.
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nativeomahan wrote:That article is nearly 3 years old. I think this property still grows corn.
Corn is a better use of the land than this monstrosity.

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Just extend a standard street grid. Put two of those Buildings per block and use the other blocks as surface parking until you start to fill up the are with office/retail/residential let the density grow as demand in the area increases. Eventually the parking can shift to parking garages.
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That proposal needs more parking...and more cowbell!
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That might be the ugliest, most unimaginative site plan I've seen in a long, long time.
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Holy Moly. Sea of Parking ahoy, mateys.
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Bummer, because I do like the look of the building.
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Should this be merged with the Avenue One thread?
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Joe_Sovereign wrote:Should this be merged with the Avenue One thread?
They're being built by different developers I believe
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Garrett wrote:
Joe_Sovereign wrote:Should this be merged with the Avenue One thread?
They're being built by different developers I believe
Do you think the developers are talking to each other? I would hope if this project is going to be surrounded by a multi-use development this developer might want to move the buildings to the edge near the other development and put the parking behind it.

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Plat for the Fountain West portion. ~160K in office space and 950 surface stalls on over 18 acres.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... ary/18.pdf
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Yikes... :?
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Huge water fountain along West Dodge Road to mark new office structure

https://omaha.com/business/local/huge-w ... b3bef.html
Cindy Gonzalez wrote:In Omaha, R&R decided to do something a bit different. At the new and emerging Fountain Ridge office park, a main fountain is being strategically placed closer to the West Dodge Road corridor.

Construction on the fountain has started and is to be done early next year. It will be about 16 feet high and 30 feet wide, said R&R's Mike Homa, and will stand out as an LED illuminated showpiece for motorists traveling along West Dodge near 192nd Street.
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