Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby omaha79 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:51 am

debradomayer wrote:I was out there last month and counted 9 empty storefronts on the "main" street, not including the Gordmans building. That's quite a few!


It's too bad, but Shadow Lake truly has never quite lived up to expectations. The mall portion of Shadow Lake (not the perimeter grocery store and restaurants) now feels like it's in a death spiral. It opened right before the economy tanked in the mid 2000's and has endured the struggles of retail in the internet age. Even from the start, high profile bays were filled with things like Dollar Stores (which you know wasn't their intent). It's also suffered from the opening of the Gretna outlet malls which took several stores and attention from the mall. There are still bays that have never really been filled. There are parcels of land that have never been developed.

On another note, I've often heard complaints that the stores they did put in were too small. Almost "mini-me" versions of their counterparts at places like Westroads and Oak View. My wife has often complained about going there only to be told, "we don't have that here, but it's in stock at oak view." She heard that enough to the point where she simply doesn't shop at Shadow Lake anymore.

It's too bad, but Shadow Lake was and is a truly underwhelming project. I'm not even sure Shadow Lake can be saved at this point in terms of being a large scale shopping destination. May as well get rid of at least half of that center strip. They may never fill it, not with the development going in on 84th Street.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:12 am

The folks that created and developed the Shadow Lake shopping area clearly cooked up a winner. Sure they have got some empty bays and lots, but times are tough. I have been in just about every Hy-Vee in town and the one at Shadow Lake looks like the biggest of them all and it is always packed. The Texas Roadhouse at Shadow Lake is always busy as are many of the restaurants. Lots of cash is being dropped in a lot of those stores at Shadow Lake. The Dollar Tree at Shadow Lake is doing quite the business and they pay the same rent as everyone else. Shadow Lake is a success story. You want to see what a flop really looks like go look at Sorensen Park or this new Millard Lumber Yard strip mall. Those 2 malls are good examples of what dead malls look like.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby lonnie » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:29 pm

As long as "Chocolaterie Stam" remains in the central mall area, there is hope.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby omaha79 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:57 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:The folks that created and developed the Shadow Lake shopping area clearly cooked up a winner. Sure they have got some empty bays and lots, but times are tough. I have been in just about every Hy-Vee in town and the one at Shadow Lake looks like the biggest of them all and it is always packed. The Texas Roadhouse at Shadow Lake is always busy as are many of the restaurants. Lots of cash is being dropped in a lot of those stores at Shadow Lake. The Dollar Tree at Shadow Lake is doing quite the business and they pay the same rent as everyone else. Shadow Lake is a success story. You want to see what a flop really looks like go look at Sorensen Park or this new Millard Lumber Yard strip mall. Those 2 malls are good examples of what dead malls look like.


I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm

omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby nebugeater » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:35 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I think you would be surprised how many people the The outlets draw. Last Saturday afternoon I was there and the parking was overflowing onto the grass and along the street where there is no parking and that is fairly common on a weekend. The week days / evenings are busy all the time.
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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:49 pm

omaha79 wrote:If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.


I'm curious how Regency and One Pacific Place are doing? While neither is as big as the ones you mention they compete to varying extents. Are they full? Mostly full?

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby Coyote » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:22 pm

NovakOmaha wrote:
omaha79 wrote:If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.


I'm curious how Regency and One Pacific Place are doing? While neither is as big as the ones you mention they compete to varying extents. Are they full? Mostly full?

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby omaha79 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:32 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I would need to see solid numbers to know for sure that Shadow Lake pulls in "10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets".

But, even if that were true, a development could still bring in more money than a competitor and still underperform its own expectations. Conversely, a smaller development can outperform it's own projections and be more of a success than a larger scale competitor.

I will absolutely promise you that the developers of Shadow Lake didn't envision the center strip being half full roughly a dozen years into the developments life cycle. I'm also sure they didn't envision things like the Dollar Tree and a Cox Solutions Store taking up prominent large bays. I'm certain they didn't predict some of the anchor stores turning over multiple times in 10 years. They likely didn't anticipate Gordmans, Borders, Aeropostale, World Market, New York and Company, and American Eagle to fold as quickly as they did. Some bays have never been leased even once. And, I don't think they envisioned Spirit Halloween taking up a different marquee bay every year.

What will be the next to fold? My money is on JC Penney's. That company is circling the drain. God help that development if that happens. It's lights out for the retail portion of this development if that happens.

I want Shadow Lake to be vibrant and successful. I live 5 minutes away. Unfortunately, it's been thoroughly underwhelming. It's really only propped up by the grocery store and the handful of restaurants on the outer perimeter.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby EricHaley » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:37 pm

omaha79 wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I would need to see solid numbers to know for sure that Shadow Lake pulls in "10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets".

But, even if that were true, a development could still bring in more money than a competitor and still underperform its own expectations. Conversely, a smaller development can outperform it's own projections and be more of a success than a larger scale competitor.

I will absolutely promise you that the developers of Shadow Lake didn't envision the center strip being half full roughly a dozen years into the developments life cycle. I'm also sure they didn't envision things like the Dollar Tree and a Cox Solutions Store taking up prominent large bays. I'm certain they didn't predict some of the anchor stores turning over multiple times in 10 years. They likely didn't anticipate Gordmans, Borders, Aeropostale, World Market, New York and Company, and American Eagle to fold as quickly as they did. Some bays have never been leased even once. And, I don't think they envisioned Spirit Halloween taking up a different marquee bay every year.

What will be the next to fold? My money is on JC Penney's. That company is circling the drain. God help that development if that happens. It's lights out for the retail portion of this development if that happens.

I want Shadow Lake to be vibrant and successful. I live 5 minutes away. Unfortunately, it's been thoroughly underwhelming. It's really only propped up by the grocery store and the handful of restaurants on the outer perimeter.


Excellent pick, but my money is on Sears falling just before JCP does. Anyone have any other additions to the brick and mortar dead pool?

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby nebugeater » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:59 am

EricHaley wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I would need to see solid numbers to know for sure that Shadow Lake pulls in "10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets".

But, even if that were true, a development could still bring in more money than a competitor and still underperform its own expectations. Conversely, a smaller development can outperform it's own projections and be more of a success than a larger scale competitor.

I will absolutely promise you that the developers of Shadow Lake didn't envision the center strip being half full roughly a dozen years into the developments life cycle. I'm also sure they didn't envision things like the Dollar Tree and a Cox Solutions Store taking up prominent large bays. I'm certain they didn't predict some of the anchor stores turning over multiple times in 10 years. They likely didn't anticipate Gordmans, Borders, Aeropostale, World Market, New York and Company, and American Eagle to fold as quickly as they did. Some bays have never been leased even once. And, I don't think they envisioned Spirit Halloween taking up a different marquee bay every year.

What will be the next to fold? My money is on JC Penney's. That company is circling the drain. God help that development if that happens. It's lights out for the retail portion of this development if that happens.

I want Shadow Lake to be vibrant and successful. I live 5 minutes away. Unfortunately, it's been thoroughly underwhelming. It's really only propped up by the grocery store and the handful of restaurants on the outer perimeter.


Excellent pick, but my money is on Sears falling just before JCP does. Anyone have any other additions to the brick and mortar dead pool?


Only issue with that pick is the post was projecting the next to close at SL There is no Sears there.
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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby Greg S » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:16 am

nebugeater wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I think you would be surprised how many people the The outlets draw. Last Saturday afternoon I was there and the parking was overflowing onto the grass and along the street where there is no parking and that is fairly common on a weekend. The week days / evenings are busy all the time.



We stopped by the outlets last Saturday after going to the Air and Space Museum (or might now be SAC Museum again). The lot was essentially full. Seems to be doing very very well. I work near Shadow Lake. Seems to be doing fine, but never very busy.

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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby nebugeater » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:50 am

Greg S wrote:
nebugeater wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
omaha79 wrote:
I would tend to disagree. If you are basing it on having the development full and healthy as a whole, it's not been nearly as successful as other developments in the city. If we are trying to determine who the "winners" are, I'd say Westroads, Village Point, Gretna Outlets, and AkSarBen Village have positioned themselves for more as "winners" than Shadow lake.

I've lived in the area for the entire time Shadow Lake has been open. Even at it's absolute peak, the center area was only about 75% full, but it's probably closer to 50% now. There are bays on the perimeter that have never been filled. Some have turned over 2-3 times. There are lots that were planned to be restaurants on the perimeter that remain empty green space.

At best, the results of this development can be construed as "acceptable", but certainly not a home run and I think it could be even tougher in the future as La Vista's 84th Street project gets going.


Seriously now.....Shadow Lake has got to be pulling in at least 10 times more people and money as the Gretna Outlets!


I think you would be surprised how many people the The outlets draw. Last Saturday afternoon I was there and the parking was overflowing onto the grass and along the street where there is no parking and that is fairly common on a weekend. The week days / evenings are busy all the time.



We stopped by the outlets last Saturday after going to the Air and Space Museum (or might now be SAC Museum again). The lot was essentially full. Seems to be doing very very well. I work near Shadow Lake. Seems to be doing fine, but never very busy.

Greg



What ever day it was this week, I think Wed, that H&M had their grand opening they had 700 people in line when the store opened. When I went by about 5:00 the lots were near full. Granted there was this opening but if it was so far of of peoples radar there wouldn't be the draw for the opening.
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Re: Shadow Lake Towne Center (72nd and 370)

Postby EricHaley » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:57 am

nebugeater wrote:Only issue with that pick is the post was projecting the next to close at SL There is no Sears there.


So I win then? :lol: :lol: :lol:


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