Greg S wrote:Dick's Sporting Goods at Oak View closed.
They keep falling
Moderators: Coyote, nebugeater, Brad, Omaha Cowboy, BRoss
Greg S wrote:Dick's Sporting Goods at Oak View closed.
No loss. Another big box outdoor store selling price point |expletive| instead of holding to a quality level.nebugeater wrote:Greg S wrote:Dick's Sporting Goods at Oak View closed.
They keep falling
bigredmed1 wrote:No loss. Another big box outdoor store selling price point |expletive| instead of holding to a quality level.nebugeater wrote:Greg S wrote:Dick's Sporting Goods at Oak View closed.
They keep falling
The Oak View Mouse Trap development area has certainly been on Red Alert mode since, and I’m being kind, the late 2000’s (say 2007-2009 ish)..omaha79 wrote:Oak Views death spiral is accelerating.
Other than K-Mart and Blockbuster, 132nd & Maple is pretty solid from where it was 10 years ago. They failed because they chose to not adapt to changes in the needs of the demographics. And that is K-Mart and Blockbuster as a whole.OverlookedFarm wrote:The panera moved out too in the outlying tract for thier new place in orchard plaza.
One thing that is overlooked is yes, the population moved west... but it is a bulk of the young families with disposable income moved with them.
What changed is the neighborhood demographics. More empty nesters. Empty nesters dont Champs Americana-Mr Bulkys-Arcade like thier kids did in 1994.
You see this in other "bands" of westO. For example, hyvee on 132nd and dodge, same deal. Demographics changed. 114th as well, so too for 132nd maple or bel air plaza..
These are nice areas of suburbia, lets hope they do t right. However, my bet is the density wont support as developers will overlook the demographic element
The HyVee on 132nd and Dodge is busy. 114th is busy except for one strip mall whose owners seem intent on emptying it for redevelopment. The strip mall on the east side is packed. South of Dodge to Burke Blvd is hopping. Bel Air sat too long allowing Bakers to eat their lunch after Food City closed. It's now pretty busy with successful bars, businesses, and restaurants.OverlookedFarm wrote:The panera moved out too in the outlying tract for thier new place in orchard plaza.
One thing that is overlooked is yes, the population moved west... but it is a bulk of the young families with disposable income moved with them.
What changed is the neighborhood demographics. More empty nesters. Empty nesters dont Champs Americana-Mr Bulkys-Arcade like thier kids did in 1994.
You see this in other "bands" of westO. For example, hyvee on 132nd and dodge, same deal. Demographics changed. 114th as well, so too for 132nd maple or bel air plaza..
These are nice areas of suburbia, lets hope they do t right. However, my bet is the density wont support as developers will overlook the demographic element
They WERE NOT on the list that was published a couple of weeks ago. The Babies R us was but NOT the Toys R Us. Could have changed but not announced with the other closings across the nation that were made public.Turtle9160 wrote:I have heard that Toys R Us is going to close out at Oak View as well, was on there list of store closings so far for 2018
Oakview has a variety of things going against it: it doesn't have the stores that draw people, nor the location to really attract them, and it's built around an old model of an indoor shopping mall.OverlookedFarm wrote:The panera moved out too in the outlying tract for thier new place in orchard plaza.
One thing that is overlooked is yes, the population moved west... but it is a bulk of the young families with disposable income moved with them.
What changed is the neighborhood demographics. More empty nesters. Empty nesters dont Champs Americana-Mr Bulkys-Arcade like thier kids did in 1994.
You see this in other "bands" of westO. For example, hyvee on 132nd and dodge, same deal. Demographics changed. 114th as well, so too for 132nd maple or bel air plaza..
These are nice areas of suburbia, lets hope they do t right. However, my bet is the density wont support as developers will overlook the demographic element
Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
I had forgotten about Apple when I wrote the post, so fair enough. I don't think Dillards or Sears have too long left, and I'm not certain about JC Penney. Department stores as a whole are struggling these days. I went to JC Penney a few days before Christmas and it was essentially empty. I think the only ones that will be able to survive are the more major ones like Macy's, Nordstrom, along with regional powerhouses like Von Maur.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
I would still argue that AMC Oak View 24 probably isn't doing well. It may be busy, but it's only because they have 24 screens and have basically become a discount theater. They are the only theater in the metro showing evening first run shows, including weekends, for $6.49. No one else is doing this. Everyone else is charging $9 plus. This remains a huge red flag for me. Why is AMC doing this? It can't be out of the kindness of their hearts. It wouldn't shock me if that theater closes in the next few years.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
I must have miss read it, from the looks of it article updated mistakes from the original article. I honestly didn't know that Babies was still out therenebugeater wrote:They WERE NOT on the list that was published a couple of weeks ago. The Babies R us was but NOT the Toys R Us. Could have changed but not announced with the other closings across the nation that were made public.Turtle9160 wrote:I have heard that Toys R Us is going to close out at Oak View as well, was on there list of store closings so far for 2018
This Dillard’s is one of only 2 left in the metro (the other is in The Bluffs).. If it were to close at Oakview, it would be a crippling loss to the enclosed mall. Dillard’s has a ton of presence with store locations in 29 states within their footprint.. We’ll see what the future holds...Garrett wrote:I had forgotten about Apple when I wrote the post, so fair enough. I don't think Dillards or Sears have too long left, and I'm not certain about JC Penney. Department stores as a whole are struggling these days. I went to JC Penney a few days before Christmas and it was essentially empty. I think the only ones that will be able to survive are the more major ones like Macy's, Nordstrom, along with regional powerhouses like Von Maur.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Regarding AMC Oakview 24-omaha79 wrote:I would still argue that AMC Oak View 24 probably isn't doing well. It may be busy, but it's only because they have 24 screens and have basically become a discount theater. They are the only theater in the metro showing evening first run shows, including weekends, for $6.49. No one else is doing this. Everyone else is charging $9 plus. This remains a huge red flag for me. Why is AMC doing this? It can't be out of the kindness of their hearts. It wouldn't shock me if that theater closes in the next few years.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding AMC Oakview 24-omaha79 wrote:I would still argue that AMC Oak View 24 probably isn't doing well. It may be busy, but it's only because they have 24 screens and have basically become a discount theater. They are the only theater in the metro showing evening first run shows, including weekends, for $6.49. No one else is doing this. Everyone else is charging $9 plus. This remains a huge red flag for me. Why is AMC doing this? It can't be out of the kindness of their hearts. It wouldn't shock me if that theater closes in the next few years.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Using the only “scientific” measuring stick in my repertoire, my eye test, every time I attend a movie there, the parking lot is usually pretty full and business brisk. To my eye, it appears to be doing just fine. But beyond what I see, who knows.. If it were to close, it would be a HUGE loss for the Oakview development. That Oakview 24 has an IMAX is a positive sign.. I can’t imagine this theater rolling up the carpet anytime soon. Like I said in a previous post, we’ll see what the future holds...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
It could definitely do with some upgrades. It was my family’s main go to back in the day, even for a bit after Village Pointe opened. I remember when 20 Grand was the dead theater, but now as the Majestic it’s the go to for us.Greg S wrote:It's been a few years since I was at AMC 24. It seemed kind of run down when I was there last time. The only concession stand open was the center one. I've been hoping it would be cleaned up and upgraded like they've donw with a bunch of other AMC's.
Greg
That’s an excellent point. I’ll throw in the closing of Best Buy, which was basically next door, to your comment regarding day to day traffic within the Oakview Mousetrap..zippy wrote:I think losing the day-to-day traffic from the HyVee has made a huge difference in the area. How long has it been since it moved to Stony Brook?
I think you have to look beyond the eye test and look t the subtext of what's going on there. Keep in mind, it's a 24 auditorium theater. By its sheer massiveness, it's going to generate a fair amount of traffic and the parking lot should look relatively full. It's size is also part of its problem. It's a white elephant. Theater companies simply don't build 24 audiorium theaters anymore like they did in the 90's. Most new theaters going forward are going to be 8-12 screens at most.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding AMC Oakview 24-omaha79 wrote:I would still argue that AMC Oak View 24 probably isn't doing well. It may be busy, but it's only because they have 24 screens and have basically become a discount theater. They are the only theater in the metro showing evening first run shows, including weekends, for $6.49. No one else is doing this. Everyone else is charging $9 plus. This remains a huge red flag for me. Why is AMC doing this? It can't be out of the kindness of their hearts. It wouldn't shock me if that theater closes in the next few years.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Regarding Village Pointe, I completely agree. Many restaurants/stores at VP, are high end and the only location of said stores in the metro- Like Apple, Scheel’s, Kona Grill, Johnny’s Italian Steakhouse etc..Greg S wrote:I agree on Oak View and that it's going to completely fail in the next 5-10 years as Crossroads did. In this day and age, Omaha only needs one enclosed mall. Westroads is larger, more up to date, has a better location, and better stores.
I disagree on Village Pointe. I think Scheel's and Apple are two distinct and fantastic draws for it. It also seems to have some stores on the women's side that appeal as well.
Greg
One thing to consider, as it relates to Oakview, is not just the enclosed mall part, but the entire (what I like to call) Oakview Mousetrap area.. A couple of things it does have going for it, is a busy AMC 24 location with an IMAX theater.. And a pretty steady and busy Barnes & Noble Bookstore location.. I believe the death nail for the enclosed mall, would be the announcement that Dillard’s and JC Penny’s are closing.. If and when that happens, you can say “Crossroads Mall, here we come” to the Oakview enclosed mall component. I’m really interested in what can and will happen to the non enclosed mall component of Oakview.. If that part can at least tred water and start to gain ground, there is hope for the enclosed mall...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Using the only “scientific” measuring stick in my repertoire, my eye test, every time I attend a movie there, the parking lot is usually pretty full and business brisk. To my eye, it appears to be doing just fine. But beyond what I see, who knows.. If it were to close, it would be a HUGE loss for the Oakview development. That Oakview 24 has an IMAX is a positive sign.. I can’t imagine this theater rolling up the carpet anytime soon. Like I said in a previous post, we’ll see what the future holds...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Apparently they are going bankrupt and closing all of their stores.Turtle9160 wrote:I must have miss read it, from the looks of it article updated mistakes from the original article. I honestly didn't know that Babies was still out therenebugeater wrote:They WERE NOT on the list that was published a couple of weeks ago. The Babies R us was but NOT the Toys R Us. Could have changed but not announced with the other closings across the nation that were made public.Turtle9160 wrote:I have heard that Toys R Us is going to close out at Oak View as well, was on there list of store closings so far for 2018
Read a article from CNN Money today saying just that, it reported that they could close all there stores as soon as next weekCoyote wrote:Apparently they are going bankrupt and closing all of their stores.Turtle9160 wrote:I must have miss read it, from the looks of it article updated mistakes from the original article. I honestly didn't know that Babies was still out therenebugeater wrote:They WERE NOT on the list that was published a couple of weeks ago. The Babies R us was but NOT the Toys R Us. Could have changed but not announced with the other closings across the nation that were made public.Turtle9160 wrote:I have heard that Toys R Us is going to close out at Oak View as well, was on there list of store closings so far for 2018
NBC nightly news just teased a story that Toys-R-Us told employees they are going to close or sell all of their stores.Turtle9160 wrote: Read a article from CNN Money today saying just that, it reported that they could close all there stores as soon as next week
The story I read on KETV.com said the Toys-R-Us demise will effect 33,000 employees nation wide...Brad wrote:NBC nightly news just teased a story that Toys-R-Us told employees they are going to close or sell all of their stores.Turtle9160 wrote: Read a article from CNN Money today saying just that, it reported that they could close all there stores as soon as next week
I assume you mean Westroads? But according to Wikipedia Jordan Creek has either 1,340,000 sq/ft Gross Leasable Area or 2,000,000 sq/ft total floor area, with Westroads at 1,200,000 sq/ft.MTO wrote:If this closed and became another vanilla lifestyle center the west roads could continue to prosper and grow. I’ve learned recently how many people from around the region come in to shop. The west roads could swell to 1.5 or 2 million we could land more of that tourism coin. Even though it’s just consolidation of our indoor mall sq/ft it would matter to out of town shoppers. I think we could do it, if I recall Jordan Creek is 3 million sq/ft.
Garrett wrote:I assume you mean Westroads? But according to Wikipedia Jordan Creek has either 1,340,000 sq/ft Gross Leasable Area or 2,000,000 sq/ft total floor area, with Westroads at 1,200,000 sq/ft.MTO wrote:If this closed and became another vanilla lifestyle center the west roads could continue to prosper and grow. I’ve learned recently how many people from around the region come in to shop. The west roads could swell to 1.5 or 2 million we could land more of that tourism coin. Even though it’s just consolidation of our indoor mall sq/ft it would matter to out of town shoppers. I think we could do it, if I recall Jordan Creek is 3 million sq/ft.
The Oakview Mall is in a good neighborhood and is faltering due to dealing with a bad economy and the national failure of retail chains. The Center and the Southroads and even the Crossroads failed because they were in bad ends of town. There is little comparison between those 3 and the Oakviews situation now.omaha79 wrote:I predicted a couple of years ago that the next major step would be for them to lose an anchor tenant. They've been bleeding regular tenants in the mall and in the outlying strips for years, but the true sign of the inescapable death cycle is to lose an anchor tenant. For a struggling mall, there is basically no going back from it. We've seen it at The Center, Crossroads, and Southroads before.