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Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:35 am
by Brad
Kansas City Streetcar

http://trn.trains.com/en/Railroad%20New ... tract.aspx

Trains Magazine wrote:KANSAS CITY, Mo. – The Kansas City Council last week authorized a contract worth as much as $697,559 with HDR Engineering for design and conceptual engineering work on a proposed 2.2-mile downtown streetcar line. The line would travel primarily along Main Street and connect the River Market, Downtown Loop, and Crown Center areas.

Whether the line is actually built or not is up to voters. A special election will be held, possibly as soon as April, in which about 10,000 downtown area voters would cast ballots to create a transportation development district. The proposal to establish the district would include a 1 percent sales tax increase and property tax assessments to help pay for the $100 million proposal.

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:31 pm
by StreetsOfOmaha
Great for KC!

These things are just so funny to me. Can you imagine if a new highway bridge were proposed, and in order for it to be constructed, the local voters would have to vote on whether or not to establish a special taxing district (imposed only on those who live directly adjacent to the highway bridge) to pay for it. And then, if that group of people doesn't approve it, well, sorry, no highway bridge for everyone to benefit from.

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:10 pm
by Stargazer
Funny... the cost of their 2.2 mile line is about that of the West Dodge Expressway.

Maybe we should have instead built a rail line of our own along the same stretch... complete with a big park and ride lot out at Menards... and another at Westroads, from which commuters could take buses the rest of the way. :)

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:16 pm
by Linkin5
Streetcar line is going to be FREE to riders, pretty cool.

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... -free.html

Tom Trabon, the authority’s chairman, said the group’s primary concern is building interest in the service, currently expected to begin running in 2015.

“We think a fare will drive away ridership,” Trabon said. “We want to encourage people to ride this thing.”

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:13 pm
by nativeomahan
That is great.  It would be wonderful to be able to get from Crown Center to River Market without having to drive, and for frees the frosting on the cake.
Downtown Denver has free bus service along its 2 mile 16th Street Mall, from their Amtrak Station all the way to City Hall.  And they run every 2-3 minutes.  We used the bus about 6 times in three days.

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:47 am
by iamjacobm
KC is already beginning a study on a second phase of their streetcar line, I am pretty sure they haven't even broken ground on the first phase yet.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:15 am
by Brad
The KC Streetcar Project is really coming along nicely. They have lots of rail in the ground already. Its amazing to see!

Here are 2 photos that I posted on the EO Facebook Page.

1. Looking north at the Power and Light District.
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2. Looking south from the Power and Light District.
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Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:39 pm
by Linkin5
Depressing to think Omaha at one te was further along than KC in planning but nothing materialized.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:55 am
by Brad
Kansas City Streetcar set for 2016 opening

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... 16-opening" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

trains.com wrote:KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Construction on Kansas City’s downtown streetcar line is nearly 50 percent complete and should be finished by this fall. Then the vehicles will undergo months of testing before passengers can begin riding the line in early 2016, the Kansas City Star reports.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:12 am
by iamjacobm
Linkin5 wrote:Depressing to think Omaha at one te was further along than KC in planning but nothing materialized.


Would be interesting to see what the city would look like today with a decade of TOD under our belt if we acted when the streetcar momentum was at it's early peak.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:55 pm
by S33
We would have either funding for, or some existence of, streetcar today, if Jim Suttle hadn't been elected in '09. That, I am almost sure of, recession or no recession.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:14 pm
by Linkin5
iamjacobm wrote:
Linkin5 wrote:Depressing to think Omaha at one te was further along than KC in planning but nothing materialized.


Would be interesting to see what the city would look like today with a decade of TOD under our belt if we acted when the streetcar momentum was at it's early peak.


North Downtown would look nothing like it is does now, I can guarantee you that.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:44 pm
by Seth
A friend of mine who lives in the outer KC suburbs is pretty excited about this. If KC can keep up the momentum and extend this line into some other prime corridors (down to Country Club, for starters), it could really re-make the city. After riding the light rail on a recent trip to Denver (including stops in some of the outer areas), I really think a system like that would work well in KC.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:27 am
by Greg S
S33 wrote:We would have either funding for, or some existence of, streetcar today, if Jim Suttle hadn't been elected in '09. That, I am almost sure of, recession or no recession.


I think that is true. I do wish we had them. The only issue and it would have been huge was paying for them. Hal's numbers were so far off on paying for Qwest/Century Link Center, it would have been interesting to see if the same happened with the street car. Especially when you see that the numbers used to fund TD Ameritrade were actually accurate and working.

Greg

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:03 pm
by S33
Greg S wrote:
S33 wrote:We would have either funding for, or some existence of, streetcar today, if Jim Suttle hadn't been elected in '09. That, I am almost sure of, recession or no recession.


I think that is true.  I do wish we had them.  The only issue and it would have been huge was paying for them.  Hal's numbers were so far off on paying for Qwest/Century Link Center, it would have been interesting to see if the same happened with the street car.  Especially when you see that the numbers used to fund TD Ameritrade were actually accurate and working.

Greg

True. But I do think he would have been a better lobbyist for federal funding than Suttle, who seemed to have accomplished very little in terms of any projects of significance.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:12 am
by Brad
Union Station KC Retweeted
Tom Gerend ‏@TomGerend 36 minutes ago
#kcstreetcar heading north. @UnionStationKC @kcstreetcar #testing


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Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:21 am
by Greg S
Can't wait until they are up and running. We almost always stay downtown now in KC. Love that they are free to riders.

Greg

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:15 am
by skinzfan23
Wow, looks great!

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:52 pm
by Linkin5
This should be Omaha.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:59 pm
by skinzfan23
Linkin5 wrote:This should be Omaha.

Yeah, especially with all the studies we have done on it.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:33 pm
by Midwestern
The system only cost $100 million to build? With 20% of that covered by a federal grant? That should be very doable for Omaha. Isn't that exactly how much the elevated expressway cost?

I like their idea of paying for part of it by having an area sales tax within the areas where the streetcar runs.

Good for Kansas City. At this point though, it would make sense for us to observe for a couple years how the KC Streetcar does, that way we could learn from their experience. It's interesting that they are doing free fares. Not sure if I like that...

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:29 pm
by skinzfan23
Midwestern wrote:The system only cost $100 million to build? With 20% of that covered by a federal grant? That should be very doable for Omaha. Isn't that exactly how much the elevated expressway cost?

I like their idea of paying for part of it by having an area sales tax within the areas where the streetcar runs.

Good for Kansas City. At this point though, it would make sense for us to observe for a couple years how the KC Streetcar does, that way we could learn from their experience. It's interesting that they are doing free fares. Not sure if I like that...

Yes, the Dodge expressway was $100 million. If only the city would invest in public transportation instead of more highways.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:55 pm
by jessep28
skinzfan23 wrote:
Midwestern wrote:The system only cost $100 million to build? With 20% of that covered by a federal grant? That should be very doable for Omaha. Isn't that exactly how much the elevated expressway cost?

I like their idea of paying for part of it by having an area sales tax within the areas where the streetcar runs.

Good for Kansas City. At this point though, it would make sense for us to observe for a couple years how the KC Streetcar does, that way we could learn from their experience. It's interesting that they are doing free fares. Not sure if I like that...

Yes, the Dodge expressway was $100 million. If only the city would invest in public transportation instead of more highways.


The West Dodge Expressway was a state project, not a city one. That section of Dodge is part of U.S. HIghway 6.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:30 pm
by daveoma
jessep28 wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:
Midwestern wrote:The system only cost $100 million to build? With 20% of that covered by a federal grant? That should be very doable for Omaha. Isn't that exactly how much the elevated expressway cost?

I like their idea of paying for part of it by having an area sales tax within the areas where the streetcar runs.

Good for Kansas City. At this point though, it would make sense for us to observe for a couple years how the KC Streetcar does, that way we could learn from their experience. It's interesting that they are doing free fares. Not sure if I like that...

Yes, the Dodge expressway was $100 million. If only the city would invest in public transportation instead of more highways.


The West Dodge Expressway was a state project, not a city one. That section of Dodge is part of U.S. HIghway 6.

I think public transit projects should partially be funded by the state. In most states at least it's call the Department of Transportation (DOT). It seems to me NDOR should move beyond roads and embrace a 21st century mindset of multi-modal Transportation.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:48 am
by Greg S
The state is quite far behind on getting roads repaired, along with bridges.


Greg

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:24 am
by jessep28
Omaha does receive some state aid for road repairs.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:00 am
by skinzfan23
Here is another picture:
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Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:06 am
by Brad
Sweet!

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:49 pm
by Greg S
jessep28 wrote:Omaha does receive some state aid for road repairs.


Yes they do, not near enough though to start throwing at street cars though. That would need help on the federal side. The state is scrambling for funding on road repairs and falling behind, not getting ahead or even staying even. During the last session they increased the state gas tax to help on the roads.

Greg

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:50 pm
by Greg S
skinzfan23 wrote:Here is another picture:
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Going down there Tuesday for work, will be on the lookout for this.

Greg

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:00 pm
by skinzfan23
I also read that the KC and Cincinnati have the largest streetcars in the country based on dimensions and capacity.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:32 pm
by Brad
skinzfan23 wrote:I also read that the KC and Cincinnati have the largest streetcars in the country based on dimensions and capacity.


KC's is crazy for a "Starter System". It goes all the way up and around that new area on the north end of downtown, right by the river.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:04 pm
by skinzfan23
Brad wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:I also read that the KC and Cincinnati have the largest streetcars in the country based on dimensions and capacity.


KC's is crazy for a "Starter System". It goes all the way up and around that new area on the north end of downtown, right by the river.

I was looking at a map of the 2 mile starter area, and is well suited for downtown. You can go all the way from Union Station, past P&L and near the Sprint Center and then over I-35 to the river. Can't wait to see it, maybe next summer if I go there on vacation.

I can only imagine if Omaha could develop one from TD Ameritrade Park all the way to the zoo. Or from TD down the Dodge St corridor to UNO or the crossroads, at the very least the Med Center.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:15 pm
by Midwestern
A streetcar along Dodge would be a million times preferable to one down 10th or 13th, in my opinion. Actually, I probably wouldn't even support one down 10th/13th street.

But a line that loops around CenturyLink and TDPark, then runs down Dodge or Farnam would be pretty comparable to how KC designed theirs.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:58 pm
by nativeomahan

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:18 pm
by Linkin5
Greg S wrote:The state is quite far behind on getting roads repaired, along with bridges.


Greg


The new gas tax should help a ton with this.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:46 am
by Busguy2010
I'm glad Omaha has waited. All the older ideas were just going to be stupid novelties for people who visited downtown on occasion. With the new route up Farnam, this will actually connect communities. Happy for the wait and eager for the arrival.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:50 am
by GetUrban
Busguy2010 wrote:I'm glad Omaha has waited. All the older ideas were just going to be stupid novelties for people who visited downtown on occasion. With the new route up Farnam, this will actually connect communities. Happy for the wait and eager for the arrival.


Exactly. How often would the people who live in Omaha really need to go straight from the zoo to TD Ameritrade Stadium? It needs to be a new time-saving mode of transportation that people can use as they go about living their daily lives. We can learn from what other cities have tried.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:46 pm
by PotatoeEatsFish
My dream is a light rail with nice new central terminal to the east of the Durham. The first line would go from Bellevue to downtown Council Bluffs(Stations in between of course.). The second line could go from downtown to Aksarben Village with a station at UNMC. I know the first line already has a railroad so it wouldn't be too expensive. However I'm not sure how you could connect downtown to Aksarben.

Edit:I just found an existing connected rail line past Ralston and Millard so that would make a better line.

Re: Kansas City Streetcar

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:35 am
by GRANDPASMUCKER
GetUrban wrote:
Busguy2010 wrote:I'm glad Omaha has waited. All the older ideas were just going to be stupid novelties for people who visited downtown on occasion. With the new route up Farnam, this will actually connect communities. Happy for the wait and eager for the arrival.


Exactly. How often would the people who live in Omaha really need to go straight from the zoo to TD Ameritrade Stadium? It needs to be a new time-saving mode of transportation that people can use as they go about living their daily lives. We can learn from what other cities have tried.


I think KC made a mistake sticking their streetcar where they did. Anyone thats ever stayed at one of those big hotels in downtown KC and went out and walked around knows that downtown KC is a pretty rough place.