168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

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168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby cafereef » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am

Saw this on the news last night. Where I cannot dispute that it needs to be done, I also find it very surprising that the city would make the move to close this major thoroughfare without having 180th as a viable alternative path. With 156th only being two lane (one lane each direction) it will get destroyed by the extra traffic having to circumvent 168th every day. I will give Omaha's planning and city engineers credit where credit is due, but the city, at least in my opinion, has significantly dropped the ball with roadway expansion in the last 10-15 years. 180th from Center to Dodge is a nightmare as well at times, but at least they got the dedicated turn lane in at Pacific to alleviate some of the pain. I see the 168th street project being the first of many painful road closures to come. From what I can think of, off the top of my head for West Omaha, the list should include:

168th: Dodge to Maple (clearly planned)
156th: Dodge to Maple
168th: Harrison to after Giles
180th: Center to Dodge
180th: Dodge to Maple

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby buildomaha » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:44 pm

This is just gonna be a huge headache to get from Bennington to work off 168 and Dodge.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby Omaha_corn_burner » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:17 am

buildomaha wrote:This is just gonna be a huge headache to get from Bennington to work off 168 and Dodge.

Did you go to the town hall meeting and tell them it will be a huge headache? Why can't you take 156th or 192nd?

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby buildomaha » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:06 pm

Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
buildomaha wrote:This is just gonna be a huge headache to get from Bennington to work off 168 and Dodge.

Did you go to the town hall meeting and tell them it will be a huge headache? Why can't you take 156th or 192nd?

I can take 156, 192nd is extremely out of the way. But 156 is only 2 lanes and it's already falling apart. It will end up taking twice as long to get to work for me is all I'm saying. They didn't really plan it out well enough to have either 156 widened or 180th connected to itself.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby Omaha_corn_burner » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:14 pm

Here's some info for you:
http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/heavily ... b00c6.html
City officials said the 168th Street project ranks ahead of work on 156th and 180th Streets because 168th is locally funded, while the two other jobs are partially funded with federal dollars. Such projects carry additional requirements and restrictions.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby cafereef » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:35 pm

Omaha_corn_burner wrote:Here's some info for you:
http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/heavily ... b00c6.html
City officials said the 168th Street project ranks ahead of work on 156th and 180th Streets because 168th is locally funded, while the two other jobs are partially funded with federal dollars. Such projects carry additional requirements and restrictions.


I agree with why they are doing 168th before 156th, funding matters, I fully get that. My issue with it, is that they waited this long to do it. Why wait for something to get to the point of it being as bad as it has been to fix it? I mean I am not the city engineer, I am certain they have their reasons and it is fully logical. Kind of like how I swear I could be the better Husker football coach, but there is probably a reason they arnt calling me up to do the job :)

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:01 pm

Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago before traffic got so heavy to call it painful. I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby cafereef » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:09 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago before traffic got so heavy to call it painful. I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?


This is what has me worried about Maple. Maple west of 180th is in rough shape. after winter, the city will eventually get around to filling pot holes, winter 2015 was horrific, there were parts of the road that if a motorcycle went over would have resulted in an accident and really was just not safe. and it isnt getting any better. personally, I think it was done poorly the first time it was poured or something, it doesnt have much for traffic, compared to the rest of the city, but is in shambles at times. The city should really consider redoing it, before the city grows much more this way, which in the next 2 years will really fill up.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby Omaha_corn_burner » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:37 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago

The city really dropped the ball on widening 132nd, 156th, 168th. The extra lane on 168th north of Dodge helps a bit though. 132nd north of dodge was hilarious (if you remember). The new work at 132nd and Pacific seems to be moving at a good pace though.


Busguy2010 wrote:I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?

Since somebody mentioned Bennington.....wow! There's so much residential development, it's crazy.
Pacific street development is almost all built up to the Elkhorn river. There are so many new bars and restaurants. Dodge has heavy traffic until 180th street. As a lifelong resident, it is mindblowing how much it has all changed in the last 10-15 years.

There's pretty much no need to go east of I-680 anymore. I only crossover for Westroads, Benson and Casual Pint.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby cafereef » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:30 pm

Omaha_corn_burner wrote:There's pretty much no need to go east of I-680 anymore. I only crossover for Westroads, Benson and Casual Pint.


I agree, I have worked off 204th and Q for the last year and a half now, since then, I have only gone East of 680 to go to the zoo, the airport, and once to Kansas City...I live a sheltered life haha

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby Joe_Sovereign » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:32 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago before traffic got so heavy to call it painful. I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?


When 168th was built out to 3 lanes in the early 2000's Village Point and the 168th and Maple Walmart were both under construction. As well as much of the residential development north of Maple. With a higher investment of money and no additional time a full four lane divided road could have been in place for 15 years. There is nobody involved in the original project that didn't know that eventually 168th would be widened. At least if a four lane bridge had been built and land acquired at the time the road could now be upgraded with out shutting down completely.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby EricHaley » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:48 pm

Joe_Sovereign wrote:
Busguy2010 wrote:Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago before traffic got so heavy to call it painful. I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?


When 168th was built out to 3 lanes in the early 2000's Village Point and the 168th and Maple Walmart were both under construction. As well as much of the residential development north of Maple. With a higher investment of money and no additional time a full four lane divided road could have been in place for 15 years. There is nobody involved in the original project that didn't know that eventually 168th would be widened. At least if a four lane bridge had been built and land acquired at the time the road could now be upgraded with out shutting down completely.


A four lane bridge was built at that time… The bridge isn’t the reason for closing the entire stretch.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:14 pm

Joe_Sovereign wrote:
Busguy2010 wrote:Honestly, 168th should have been widened 10+ years ago before traffic got so heavy to call it painful. I'm sorry, I very rarely go west of 680 and it truly is a different life. How are things out there?


When 168th was built out to 3 lanes in the early 2000's Village Point and the 168th and Maple Walmart were both under construction. As well as much of the residential development north of Maple. With a higher investment of money and no additional time a full four lane divided road could have been in place for 15 years. There is nobody involved in the original project that didn't know that eventually 168th would be widened. At least if a four lane bridge had been built and land acquired at the time the road could now be upgraded with out shutting down completely.

Same thing with Harrison west of 144th. Years ago they closed it to cut down the hill some and make three lanes. Everyone was thinking they were going to make it four lanes at the time. But nope, they decided to make it three knowing darn well they would have to go back in another 10-15 years and redo it again.

It seems like they do this to save money but in the long run they spend more. It's just pure stupidity.

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Re: 168th closure (Dodge to Maple)

Postby buildomaha » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:33 pm

Its a city, and even statewide issue. There is zero forward thinking with anything. We are a react state rather than a plan ahead state. It seems like we always have to wait until roads are so congested that they're not functional anymore, to get them widened to the standard they should have already been at. This is part of the reason our interstate system in Omaha is so anemic.


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