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Omaha transportation's $7.4B future

Postby HR Paperstacks » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:49 pm

There was a little discussion about this article in the streetcar thread, but thought it could be its own thread.

Omaha transportation's $7.4B future: Planners envision widened Interstates, expanded public transit
Jeffrey Robb / World-Herald staff writer wrote:Notably, the study looking out to 2040 would rebuild the Interstate through the metro area. It would widen Interstates 80, 480 and 680 — a difficult prospect for a highway that’s all but maxed out.

But alongside that, transportation planners say Omaha needs a significant expansion of its public transit system. The report, an effort by the Nebraska Department of Transportation and the Metropolitan Area Planning Agency, proposes to focus 40 percent of the costs on transit.

The leading ideas include:

» Widening the Interstate almost throughout. An idea under consideration is to divide each side of the Interstate into two parts: one set of outside lanes that has access to local interchanges, as the freeway exists now, and an inner set of lanes that runs uninhibited through the city, without that local access, said Greg Youell, MAPA’s executive director.

It’s a concept being implemented in Iowa’s reconstruction of Interstate 80 through Council Bluffs.

» Establishing an Interstate interchange around 180th to 192nd Street in Sarpy County near Vala’s Pumpkin Patch, then widening a north-south route to four lanes to connect with that new interchange.

» Widening major streets such as West Maple Road, South 72nd and 84th Streets, and Dodge Street between 72nd and 84th.

Omaha also has decisions to make about its mass transit system.

The report proposes spending almost $3 billion over time on Omaha’s transit system. Some of that funding exists already in operations and maintenance costs, but the area also will need some $1.1 billion for new capital costs, the report estimates, as it builds projects including new feeder lines into the Dodge Street bus rapid transit system and a midtown Omaha streetcar.

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Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:39 pm

I don't know if we want to be following Iowas lead on interstate concepts. When you cross the Missouri River bridge on Interstate -80 and go over to I-29 you take a funky 1 lane hot wheels track like ramp into the sky. Concrapulations to the genius that came up with that.

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Postby Brad » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:19 am

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:I don't know if we want to be following Iowas lead on interstate concepts. When you cross the Missouri River bridge on Interstate -80 and go over to I-29 you take a funky 1 lane hot wheels track like ramp into the sky. Concrapulations to the genius that came up with that.


I'd be willing to bet that when you take 75 North on to I80 west, that's even higher above the ground than on that East 80 on to 29. The 75 North to 80 West is about 100' above the train tracks below if I remember correctly. These really tall ramps are nothing new, Omaha's topography just hides them well. Go to some of the big cities that are flat and they are even taller.
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Postby Busguy2010 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:18 pm

Brad wrote:I'd be willing to bet that when you take 75 North on to I80 west, that's even higher above the ground than on that East 80 on to 29.


You could be correct about this, but you don't get the illusion of height because you don't go up when you get on it, you're already up there. So I see what Grandpa is saying, but it is because of the topography.

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Postby HR Paperstacks » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:20 pm

Came across the Improvement Study from MAPA:

Here's a high-level overview:
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Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:55 pm

If a person lives at 132nd & Center and they want to go to 132nd & Dodge by bus they are screwed. They got to take the bus down center to 72nd and get off the bus and take the next bus down to 72nd & Dodge and get off the bus and then take the next bus up Dodge to 132nd. The person has to take 3 buses about 10 miles just to go 2 miles. So yeah that future bus plan don't look promising right off the bat. Sorry!

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Postby Busguy2010 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:02 pm

Nice to see a better idea of the route for the new beltway, but it better be limited access. What's the point, otherwise?

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Postby almighty_tuna » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:36 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:If a person lives at 132nd & Center and they want to go to 132nd & Dodge by bus they are screwed. They got to take the bus down center to 72nd and get off the bus and take the next bus down to 72nd & Dodge and get off the bus and then take the next bus up Dodge to 132nd. The person has to take 3 buses about 10 miles just to go 2 miles. So yeah that future bus plan don't look promising right off the bat. Sorry!


If Billy is two miles from his suburban destination and a city bus is traveling 35mph in an entirely separate and more densely populated area which provides more effective service, how many apples will he have left after he gets off your lawn.

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Postby almighty_tuna » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:38 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:Came across the Improvement Study from MAPA:


Thanks for the link! Good reading in there.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:23 am

almighty_tuna wrote:If Billy is two miles from his suburban destination and a city bus is traveling 35mph in an entirely separate and more densely populated area which provides more effective service, how many apples will he have left after he gets off your lawn.


In all seriousness, there should be at least a little consideration to have a simple bus route in west Omaha connecting those east west routes. I vote for 144th Street, especially because of West Farm. It should happen eventually. But probably nothing more than that.

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Re: Omaha transportation's $7.4B future

Postby bigredmed1 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:15 am

almighty_tuna wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:If a person lives at 132nd & Center and they want to go to 132nd & Dodge by bus they are screwed. They got to take the bus down center to 72nd and get off the bus and take the next bus down to 72nd & Dodge and get off the bus and then take the next bus up Dodge to 132nd. The person has to take 3 buses about 10 miles just to go 2 miles. So yeah that future bus plan don't look promising right off the bat. Sorry!


If Billy is two miles from his suburban destination and a city bus is traveling 35mph in an entirely separate and more densely populated area which provides more effective service, how many apples will he have left after he gets off your lawn.


I realize that you have come to hate Grandpa. But seriously, quit with the insults. It's a valid concern about the plan. Go from Millard to Benson on this route. It will take you 3-4x as long as by car, assuming you live near a route and the buses are all on time.

As someone else posted, going north on 144th would at least connect some areas and afford the plan some plausible benefit to people in west and central Omaha.

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Postby almighty_tuna » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:41 pm

bigredmed1 wrote:I realize that you have come to hate Grandpa. But seriously, quit with the insults.


Looking at my post history I believe this is my first post responding directly to Smucker. So you must have this history of insults confused with someone else.

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almighty_tuna wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:If a person lives at 132nd & Center and they want to go to 132nd & Dodge by bus they are screwed. They got to take the bus down center to 72nd and get off the bus and take the next bus down to 72nd & Dodge and get off the bus and then take the next bus up Dodge to 132nd. The person has to take 3 buses about 10 miles just to go 2 miles. So yeah that future bus plan don't look promising right off the bat. Sorry!


If Billy is two miles from his suburban destination and a city bus is traveling 35mph in an entirely separate and more densely populated area which provides more effective service, how many apples will he have left after he gets off your lawn.


I realize that you have come to hate Grandpa. But seriously, quit with the insults. It's a valid concern about the plan. Go from Millard to Benson on this route. It will take you 3-4x as long as by car, assuming you live near a route and the buses are all on time.

As someone else posted, going north on 144th would at least connect some areas and afford the plan some plausible benefit to people in west and central Omaha.


In an ideal system there would be better suburban coverage, yes. However cherry-picking an example such as 132nd & Center to 132nd & Dodge is pretty weak sauce. Living in the suburbs comes with some concessions, and this is one of them. It is not economical nor practical to provide comprehensive bus service to an area characterized by its low density housing!

The bus system outside of the 680 loop is oriented toward getting commuters to employment centers, not daily errand traffic. This is clearly demonstrated by the numerous Park & Ride locations along the suburban routes and transit centers within the freeway loop, MCC in south Omaha notwithstanding. It's great when those daily errand needs happen to align with a commuter oriented system but it's a one size fits many transit solution. Though I agree, service back and forth along 144th from Maple south to the Chalco area would definitely serve West Omaha well.

So when Smucker, or anyone else, wants to complain about the lack of bus service along a two mile stretch in the burbs I'm going to call that out just as I would someone who whines we don't have a direct flight from Omaha to KC.

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almighty_tuna wrote:
HR Paperstacks wrote:Came across the Improvement Study from MAPA:


Thanks for the link! Good reading in there.

You are very welcome, Mr Tuna! I for some reason find infrastructure fascinating so I like digging around MAPA and NDOT.

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Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:35 am

almighty_tuna wrote:"cherry-picking an example such as 132nd & Center to 132nd & Dodge is pretty weak sauce. Living in the suburbs comes with some concessions, and this is one of them"


Sounds like discrimination to me. West Omaha pays taxes so fools and scamming businessmen can get their useless 150 Million Dollar Miller Lite Tall Boy Can on rails going up and down Farnam Street and we don't even get one lousy bus going North to South. :shrug: No we should not have to concede that to you or anyone else.

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Postby TitosBuritoBarn » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:58 am

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
almighty_tuna wrote:"cherry-picking an example such as 132nd & Center to 132nd & Dodge is pretty weak sauce. Living in the suburbs comes with some concessions, and this is one of them"


Sounds like discrimination to me. West Omaha pays taxes so fools and scamming businessmen can get their useless 150 Million Dollar Miller Lite Tall Boy Can on rails going up and down Farnam Street and we don't even get one lousy bus going North to South. :shrug: No we should not have to concede that to you or anyone else.


In an ideal, utopian city, you would certainly not be deprived of a bus line on major thoroughfares such as 132nd Street. However, the style of low-density, autocentric, non-grided suburban development that has been allowed to occur in that area makes transit financially unfeasible. It's a trade off. You get a horizontal house on a large plot of land, but you're going to need to invest in a trusty car to get many places in a reasonable timeframe.
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Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:14 pm

TitosBuritoBarn wrote:In an ideal, utopian city, you would certainly not be deprived of a bus line on major thoroughfares such as 132nd Street. However, the style of low-density, autocentric, non-grided suburban development that has been allowed to occur in that area makes transit financially unfeasible. It's a trade off. You get a horizontal house on a large plot of land, but you're going to need to invest in a trusty car to get many places in a reasonable timeframe.


I always like to imagine we continued the grid pattern. We could have had the same type of housing we do today only on straight streets. But I do realize it was probably mostly due to topography. People at the beginning of the suburban era probably looked at those hills and creeks and said "yeah, we should stop working so hard for these straight roads". It was probably a smart decision from a pure building efficiency standpoint, and they didn't even realize what effect it would have on transportation today.

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Postby bigredmed1 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:27 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:
TitosBuritoBarn wrote:In an ideal, utopian city, you would certainly not be deprived of a bus line on major thoroughfares such as 132nd Street. However, the style of low-density, autocentric, non-grided suburban development that has been allowed to occur in that area makes transit financially unfeasible. It's a trade off. You get a horizontal house on a large plot of land, but you're going to need to invest in a trusty car to get many places in a reasonable timeframe.


I always like to imagine we continued the grid pattern. We could have had the same type of housing we do today only on straight streets. But I do realize it was probably mostly due to topography. People at the beginning of the suburban era probably looked at those hills and creeks and said "yeah, we should stop working so hard for these straight roads". It was probably a smart decision from a pure building efficiency standpoint, and they didn't even realize what effect it would have on transportation today.


To be fair to those folks, the older suburbs in Millard were pretty straight. Look at the Oaks and Signal Hill subdivisions. The main creek through there was put into a culvert that dumps out south of Q street and Oaks Lane. That area was the last one to have the straightening as the rest of Millard had too many creeks to culvert.

The primary problem is that the planners never think about alternatives to bulky buses. You could run an airport shuttle from 132 nd and Q street to Dodge and back. It would hit a low income housing area, after old Millard and the Lumberyard apartments. It would buzz past a library and the new rehab center as well as a grocery store, two drug stores, and a bank. Then it would hit Sterling Ridge and Boystown, then the Linden Market before turning around. Time it with the BRT on Dodge and now you have a potentially useful transit option that would not cost so much to run.

To write off half of the city, is to do what libs have done for the past decade. Ever wonder why Stothert owns Millard and West Omaha? People are tired of paying for other people's toys.

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Postby HR Paperstacks » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:17 pm

bigredmed1 wrote:To write off half of the city, is to do what libs have done for the past decade. Ever wonder why Stothert owns Millard and West Omaha? People are tired of paying for other people's toys.


Oh quit being such a partisan hack. Both sides are guilty of writing off a section of the city. You want people to take you seriously and work with you on solutions? Then don’t attack everyone just because they don’t share your same viewpoint. We live in a society and you need to learn to compromise.

Why should West Omaha get all these expensive new roads while the urban core gets very little? If we can pay millions to widen 168th, then why can’t people in the core get a project that benefits them? It’s not all about the people who live in West Omaha.

Here are some projects planned for the next ten or so years west of 72nd:
- 168th from Dodge to Maple
- 168th from Pacific to Center
- 168th from Center to Q
- 168th from Q to Harrison
- 156th from Dodge to Maple
- 156th from Dodge to Pacific
- Harrison from 144th to 156th
- Pacific from 168th to 180th
- 180th from Dodge to Maple
- 108th from Q to Harrison
- Q St from 192nd to 204th

The cost to widen all those is incredible. And they are mainly for the suburbanites. There are a few projects east of 72nd but nowhere near as many. And for the core? Little to none.

So who is tired of paying for others’ toys? It’s time to stop being a victim and recognize that you are given enough. Let others have something nice too.

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Postby Linkin5 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:11 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:
bigredmed1 wrote:To write off half of the city, is to do what libs have done for the past decade. Ever wonder why Stothert owns Millard and West Omaha? People are tired of paying for other people's toys.


Oh quit being such a partisan hack. Both sides are guilty of writing off a section of the city. You want people to take you seriously and work with you on solutions? Then don’t attack everyone just because they don’t share your same viewpoint. We live in a society and you need to learn to compromise.

Why should West Omaha get all these expensive new roads while the urban core gets very little? If we can pay millions to widen 168th, then why can’t people in the core get a project that benefits them? It’s not all about the people who live in West Omaha.

Here are some projects planned for the next ten or so years west of 72nd:
- 168th from Dodge to Maple
- 168th from Pacific to Center
- 168th from Center to Q
- 168th from Q to Harrison
- 156th from Dodge to Maple
- 156th from Dodge to Pacific
- Harrison from 144th to 156th
- Pacific from 168th to 180th
- 180th from Dodge to Maple
- 108th from Q to Harrison
- Q St from 192nd to 204th

The cost to widen all those is incredible. And they are mainly for the suburbanites. There are a few projects east of 72nd but nowhere near as many. And for the core? Little to none.

So who is tired of paying for others’ toys? It’s time to stop being a victim and recognize that you are given enough. Let others have something nice too.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:31 pm

It's a different world out there... It almost makes me wish there was a political divide at I-680 and I-80 to Harrison, and anything west and north of that takes care of itself. Hmm, I'm beginning to think that half of the city couldn't come close to being able to afford all the niceties its experiencing presently. Let's do it!

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Postby GetUrban » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:37 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:
TitosBuritoBarn wrote:In an ideal, utopian city, you would certainly not be deprived of a bus line on major thoroughfares such as 132nd Street. However, the style of low-density, autocentric, non-grided suburban development that has been allowed to occur in that area makes transit financially unfeasible. It's a trade off. You get a horizontal house on a large plot of land, but you're going to need to invest in a trusty car to get many places in a reasonable timeframe.


I always like to imagine we continued the grid pattern. We could have had the same type of housing we do today only on straight streets. But I do realize it was probably mostly due to topography. People at the beginning of the suburban era probably looked at those hills and creeks and said "yeah, we should stop working so hard for these straight roads". It was probably a smart decision from a pure building efficiency standpoint, and they didn't even realize what effect it would have on transportation today.

Back to the “grid” comment....developers and people who wanted to live in west Omaha typically didn’t want through-streets and preferred neighborhoods with culdisacs, and named neighborhoods with borders and their own identity. Also, getting rid of the grids allowed streets to be platted to take advantage of and follow the natural grades or slightly modify them to allow almost every house to have a walk-out basement. I do prefer the older grid neighborhoods more, or at least ones that tie-in with the grid.
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HR Paperstacks wrote:
bigredmed1 wrote:To write off half of the city, is to do what libs have done for the past decade. Ever wonder why Stothert owns Millard and West Omaha? People are tired of paying for other people's toys.


Oh quit being such a partisan hack. Both sides are guilty of writing off a section of the city. You want people to take you seriously and work with you on solutions? Then don’t attack everyone just because they don’t share your same viewpoint. We live in a society and you need to learn to compromise.

Why should West Omaha get all these expensive new roads while the urban core gets very little? If we can pay millions to widen 168th, then why can’t people in the core get a project that benefits them? It’s not all about the people who live in West Omaha.

Here are some projects planned for the next ten or so years west of 72nd:
- 168th from Dodge to Maple
- 168th from Pacific to Center
- 168th from Center to Q
- 168th from Q to Harrison
- 156th from Dodge to Maple
- 156th from Dodge to Pacific
- Harrison from 144th to 156th
- Pacific from 168th to 180th
- 180th from Dodge to Maple
- 108th from Q to Harrison
- Q St from 192nd to 204th

The cost to widen all those is incredible. And they are mainly for the suburbanites. There are a few projects east of 72nd but nowhere near as many. And for the core? Little to none.

So who is tired of paying for others’ toys? It’s time to stop being a victim and recognize that you are given enough. Let others have something nice too.

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This. Let's remember this next time you cry about the streetcar/any form of mass transit that goes through areas where it's feasible in about 2 seconds or so.
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Postby Louie » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:29 am

Garrett wrote:
HR Paperstacks wrote:
bigredmed1 wrote:To write off half of the city, is to do what libs have done for the past decade. Ever wonder why Stothert owns Millard and West Omaha? People are tired of paying for other people's toys.


Oh quit being such a partisan hack. Both sides are guilty of writing off a section of the city. You want people to take you seriously and work with you on solutions? Then don’t attack everyone just because they don’t share your same viewpoint. We live in a society and you need to learn to compromise.

Why should West Omaha get all these expensive new roads while the urban core gets very little? If we can pay millions to widen 168th, then why can’t people in the core get a project that benefits them? It’s not all about the people who live in West Omaha.

Here are some projects planned for the next ten or so years west of 72nd:
- 168th from Dodge to Maple
- 168th from Pacific to Center
- 168th from Center to Q
- 168th from Q to Harrison
- 156th from Dodge to Maple
- 156th from Dodge to Pacific
- Harrison from 144th to 156th
- Pacific from 168th to 180th
- 180th from Dodge to Maple
- 108th from Q to Harrison
- Q St from 192nd to 204th

The cost to widen all those is incredible. And they are mainly for the suburbanites. There are a few projects east of 72nd but nowhere near as many. And for the core? Little to none.

So who is tired of paying for others’ toys? It’s time to stop being a victim and recognize that you are given enough. Let others have something nice too.

:rant:


This. Let's remember this next time you cry about the streetcar/any form of mass transit that goes through areas where it's feasible in about 2 seconds or so.

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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:23 pm

Yep..

I think we've effectively, regardless of party affiliation, liberal or conservative- beaten this topic to death..

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Postby GetUrban » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:56 am

So in summary, nobody wants to pay for anything that helps somebody else's neighborhood and not their own directly.

Ok. :yes:
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Postby michaelsjewel » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:10 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:Nice to see a better idea of the route for the new beltway, but it better be limited access. What's the point, otherwise?


I totally agree. Needs to be a freeway
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