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OMATOL wrote:Southwest adding DEN 3x a day will be a nice boost. So far OMA is doing pretty well when compared with airports across the midwest in the same size category.

However, keep on eye on Midwest Airlines. Things do not look good for them. They are rumored to be grounding 5 of their 717s which could affect their Milwaukee or DC service here.
I heard that they are gounding their bigger planes not the 717s, so the cuts will probably be on the longer routes, tho they can still use the 717s on the long range trips.
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I didn't know that Midwest had anything but 717's, DC9's and MD80's (all smaller jets) in their fleet, and I've been a customer of theirs since the beginning.
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ricko wrote:I didn't know that Midwest had anything but 717's, DC9's and MD80's (all smaller jets) in their fleet, and I've been a customer of theirs since the beginning.
Midwest used to be my favorite airline to fly, back when they had the nonstop to LAX and the single-seat to ATL.

I'm not an expert on which plane is which, but they always had the "smaller full size" planes, if that makes any sense. :) Mostly the same ones that Allegiant and American fly, but they had 2x2 seating instead of 3x2 that the other airlines have.
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June Numbers

                    2008             2007        
American       51,544          51,142       +0.8%
Continental    35,226          25,300       +39.2%
Delta             26,871          32,921       -18.4%
Expressjet      7555            7229          +4.5%
Frontier          20,053          25,661      -21.9%
Midwest         21,019           23,385      -10.1%
Northwest      57,294           52,756       +8.6%
Southwest      99,999          97,777       +2.3%
United            79,700          80,233       -0.7%
US Airways     17,952          20,074       -10.6%
Charters         468               ---

Total              417,681        416,478       +0.3%

YTD              2,208,719      2,160,114     +2.3%
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UNOstudent wrote:June Numbers

                    2008             2007        
American       51,544          51,142       +0.8%
Continental    35,226          25,300       +39.2%
Delta             26,871          32,921       -18.4%
Expressjet      7555            7229          +4.5%
Frontier          20,053          25,661      -21.9%
Midwest         21,019           23,385      -10.1%
Northwest      57,294           52,756       +8.6%
Southwest      99,999          97,777       +2.3%
United            79,700          80,233       -0.7%
US Airways     17,952          20,074       -10.6%
Charters         468               ---

Total              417,681        416,478       +0.3%

YTD              2,208,719      2,160,114     +2.3%

While not increasing, it is very surprising to note that we are still climbing despite the airline cutbacks being made all over the nation..
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Those are good numbers.

So I'm getting the impression they don't really want to expand.  It would be awesome if they just rebuild the place.  I just came through there the other night and that place is fugly!  Quite embarrassing.
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July 2008  
426,197  up 0.2%
year to date
2008            
2,643,916 up 1.9%
by airline in July 08 vs July 07
Southwest    100,104 down 0.5%
United          79,794 down 3.4%
Northwest     59,398 up 17.4%
American      51,685 down 0.7%
Continental  34,669 up 43.1%
Frontier        27,971 down 0.2%
Delta            26,842 down 18.5%
Midwest        19,996 down 18.7%
USAirways    17,117 down 17.2%
Express Jet    7,565  down 16.7%
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There's a World Herald survey on effect airfares have had on your flying linked to this story...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1 ... d=10445678



Perhaps no surprise... August saw passenger traffic drop a whopping 9%... we're still clinging to .5% annual growth... that will probably change after this month though.
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Stargazer wrote:There's a World Herald survey on effect airfares have had on your flying linked to this story...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1 ... d=10445678



Perhaps no surprise... August saw passenger traffic drop a whopping 9%... we're still clinging to .5% annual growth... that will probably change after this month though.
DSM down over 6% for the month & down 1.5% for the year.
KCI down over 12% for the month & 3 3/4 % for the year.
No word yet on Lincoln but I'd guess not good either when you take away Allegiant.

It will be interesting to see how the numbers for OMA are with the addition of Southwest to Denver.  I haven't looked closely but I thought they dropped a flight or two to other existing cities.
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NovakOmaha wrote:
Stargazer wrote:There's a World Herald survey on effect airfares have had on your flying linked to this story...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1 ... d=10445678



Perhaps no surprise... August saw passenger traffic drop a whopping 9%... we're still clinging to .5% annual growth... that will probably change after this month though.
DSM down over 6% for the month & down 1.5% for the year.
KCI down over 12% for the month & 3 3/4 % for the year.
No word yet on Lincoln but I'd guess not good either when you take away Allegiant.

It will be interesting to see how the numbers for OMA are with the addition of Southwest to Denver.  I haven't looked closely but I thought they dropped a flight or two to other existing cities.
Yes you are right.  Southwest has added 3 flights to Denver effective Sept 2nd.  But also, Eppley looses a flight to PHX, LAS and Midway, leaving 2x to PHX and LAS and 5x to Midway.  This will leave southwest with a net gain of no additional seats from Omaha.  Should see higher loads though on the remaining flights.  

Remember that the end of August/ Beginning of Sept, Continental has dropped the 3 flights to Cleveland, United dropped 1 flight to Denver for 5 left, American dropped 1 flight to Chicago, Delta is dropping a few flights, Northwest goes to smaller planes and Expressjet closed up their branded service which OMA lost Tuscon, San Diego and LA/Ontario.  

Look for continued negative numbers, Eppley is just real greatful for the Southwest to Denver to keep the numbers at the airport from really taking a dive!

Hopefully Cleveland will come back though, planes were really full since it started last March.
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Surprised no one beat me to this
August 2008   367,734 down 8.9%
year to date
2008            
3,002,650  up 0.5%
by airline in August 08 vs July 07
Southwest    85,419 down 9.5%
United          71,816 down 10.5%
Northwest     51,982 up 10.2%
American      42,528 down 12.2%
Continental  31,189 up 27.9%
Delta          25,764 down 21.4%
Frontier       25,441 down 0.8%
USAirways     15,443 down 13.0%
Midwest       17,117 down 32.4%
Express Jet    2,007 down 77.8%
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Last week, Southwest said they were starting flights between MSP and MDW. With NWA getting taken over by Delta and Sun Country recently filing for bankruptcy, I bet Southwest will look to expand there. Hopefully, they will add MSP-OMA service.
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S33 wrote:I Wonder if this would mean increased Eppley flights due to less departing seats and higher prices from KCI?
In short absolutely not.
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Well, we're down but we don't look nearly as bad as a lot of the airports in the country.
September 2008   338,682 down 4.4%
year to date
2008            
3,341,332  down 0.1%
by airline in September 08 vs September 07
Southwest    88,826 up 8.9%
United          70,354 down 5.4%
Northwest     43,474 down 7.0%
American      37,472 down 11.5%
Frontier        24,505 up 28%
Delta            21,579 down 24.3%
Continental  20,903 down 5.2%
USAirways     15,728 up 15.6%
Midwest       14,082 down 27.1%
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I'm not sure of the exact date (Nov. 1st I think), Midwest will be pulling all B717 flights from Omaha. MKE will now be 3 daily CRJs and 1 daily Embraer 170 and DC will be 2 daily Embraer 170s. The Embraer 170s do not have the classic Midwest seats.
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October Numbers are in.  We're holding our own against most airports.  Thank you Southwest and Frontier!
October 2008   369,921 down 2.7%
year to date
2008            
3,711,253 down 0.3%
by airline in October 08 vs September 07
Southwest    102,180 up 19.7%
United          74,996 down 1.7%
Northwest     46,409 down 9.0%
American      44,163 down 7.4%
Frontier        25,663 up 37.9%
Continental   24,885 up 3%
Delta            22,609 down 26.3%
Midwest        15,400 down 28.2%
USAirways     13,024 down 27.1%
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How much of Southwest increase is due to the Omaha Denver flight?
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Here is a good story that was on KETV the other night about how Eppley is doing in comparison to other airports.  

http://www.ketv.com/news/18175831/detail.html
As competitors in Kansas City and Des Moines are seeing passenger numbers fall compared to last year --- Eppley is holding steady and even seeing a slight gain.

Eppley Airfield's new statistics show a fairly steady performance. Passenger boardings during October were down 1.4 percent, but year-to-date, boardings are up slightly, said Don Smithey, of Eppley Airfield.
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So I take it that means November was up slightly?  I was thinking we were seeing a slight drop in year numbers after October?
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November numbers are in.  Ouch! Thank you Southwest and Frontier
November 2008   316,965 down 9%
year to date
2008            ]
4,028,218 down 1.1%
by airline in November 08 vs November 07
Southwest    82,739 up 5.2%
United          61,678 down 1.7%
Northwest     42,164 down 8.4%
American      37,325 down 14.5%
Delta           23,058 down 21.1%
Continental   21,941 down 6.9%
Frontier        21,876 up 23.1%
USAirways    15,177 down 16.4%
Midwest        11,007 down 46.5%
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jjjjhskr wrote:November numbers are in.  Ouch! Thank you Southwest and Frontier
November 2008   316,965 down 9%
year to date
2008            ]
4,028,218 down 1.1%
by airline in November 08 vs November 07
Southwest    82,739 up 5.2%
United          61,678 down 1.7%
Northwest     42,164 down 8.4%
American      37,325 down 14.5%
Delta           23,058 down 21.1%
Continental   21,941 down 6.9%
Frontier        21,876 up 23.1%
USAirways    15,177 down 16.4%
Midwest        11,007 down 46.5%
Whoa..Economy in the tank much?..

Thanks for the update..

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Thank you Frontier and Southwest for adding new routes, I can't imagine what those numbers would be w/o them.
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OmahaJaysCU wrote:Thank you Frontier and Southwest for adding new routes, I can't imagine what those numbers would be w/o them.
What route did Frontier add?  I thought they only went to denver.
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NovakOmaha wrote:
OmahaJaysCU wrote:Thank you Frontier and Southwest for adding new routes, I can't imagine what those numbers would be w/o them.
What route did Frontier add?  I thought they only went to denver.
hmm...I could have sworn I remembered them adding west coast route, but couldn't remember the city.  Now looking in to it I am wrong.  

What is the explanation for their increase in numbers?  More flights to Denver?  Bigger planes?
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December 2008   341,919 down 1.4%
year to date
2008            
4,370,137 down 1.2%
by airline in December 08 vs December 07
Southwest    89,971 up 12.4%
United          65,539 up 8.4%
Northwest     43,684 down 7.1%
American      40,245 down 5.8%
Delta           24,737 down 10.3%
Continental   24,231 up 4.9%
Frontier        22,898 up 19.9%
USAirways    17,146 down 6.9%
Midwest        13,235 down 32.2%

A much better year than almost every airport int he country.
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Those are some really good numbers for this economy.
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Well, the January numbers are out.  Welcome to the new reality.

January 2009 Passengers January 2009 Carrier Operations
OMA            -6.40%                                    -6.20%
LNK           -10%                                     2%
DSM           -19.29%                                  -10.12%
KCI           -17.14%                                  -19.29%

Numbers wise, eppley performed the best, if you can call it that.  Des Moines & KCI really took a beating.  No wonder DSM took so long to release their numbers.  Lincoln was down 10% but really, where can they go from here?  There has to be a bottom for them.

DSM did pick up LAX from Allegient.  And OMA & DSM gained flights to LGA.  KCI got flights to LGA and JFK.  I wouldn't count on that new terminal at Eppley soon unless the numbers turn around some time.  

I think it might be time, what with a new administrator at Eppley, for Eppley to advertise again.  It's dog eat dog out there & DSM, LNK & MCI advertise while OMA just sits there playing nice.
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NovakOmaha wrote:Well, the January numbers are out.  Welcome to the new reality.

January 2009 Passengers January 2009 Carrier Operations
OMA            -6.40%                                    -6.20%
LNK           -10%                                     2%
DSM           -19.29%                                  -10.12%
KCI           -17.14%                                  -19.29%

Numbers wise, eppley performed the best, if you can call it that.  Des Moines & KCI really took a beating.  No wonder DSM took so long to release their numbers.  Lincoln was down 10% but really, where can they go from here?  There has to be a bottom for them.

DSM did pick up LAX from Allegient.  And OMA & DSM gained flights to LGA.  KCI got flights to LGA and JFK.  I wouldn't count on that new terminal at Eppley soon unless the numbers turn around some time.  

I think it might be time, what with a new administrator at Eppley, for Eppley to advertise again.  It's dog eat dog out there & DSM, LNK & MCI advertise while OMA just sits there playing nice.
Those numbers remind me of the current state of the auto industry..If you're Hyundai or Subaru right about now, you're still doing okay..

Everyone else? Yikes!..

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NovakOmaha wrote:
I think it might be time, what with a new administrator at Eppley, for Eppley to advertise again.  It's dog eat dog out there & DSM, LNK & MCI advertise while OMA just sits there playing nice.
I'm not sure that I agree.  Airports like Lincoln are almost forced to advertise because of their trend of loosing passengers.
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Mr.Nuke wrote:
NovakOmaha wrote:
I think it might be time, what with a new administrator at Eppley, for Eppley to advertise again.  It's dog eat dog out there & DSM, LNK & MCI advertise while OMA just sits there playing nice.
I'm not sure that I agree.  Airports like Lincoln are almost forced to advertise because of their trend of loosing passengers.
KCI advertises in Omaha & Des Moines every so often, not because they are losing passengers but because they want more.  Eppley did that in the 80's with its "We're Flying" campaign.  Don Smithey always said that Eppley's catchment was a 200 mile radius around Omaha.  What's wrong with ads?  Nothing personal Lincoln, Sioux City and Des Moines, but Eppley does have more frequency and service than you all, so if you're inclined to save money or time or for whatever other reason, give us a try.  
There is an attitude on the part of "some" in Lincoln & outstate Nebraska as well as Des Moines that it is a crime to fly from Eppley or for that matter even go to Omaha.  I've never understood it but there it is.
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NovakOmaha wrote:
Mr.Nuke wrote:
NovakOmaha wrote: There is an attitude on the part of "some" in Lincoln & outstate Nebraska as well as Des Moines that it is a crime to fly from Eppley or for that matter even go to Omaha.  I've never understood it but there it is.
You don't understand why it's not in these cities' best interest?  I think it's pretty obvious.  Keeping your business LOCAL improves OUR local economy (the one where we pay taxes and have a vested interest in).  We always try to keep our business in our local market.  The more people that go to surrounding airports, the less service and options they will have at their local airports (which we have just as many non-stop destinations as Omaha).  Omaha isn't convenient compared to the seven minutes it takes me to get to Des Moines International Airport (plus higher parking costs and hotel if it's an early flight).  I'm not driving to Omaha (2 hrs) to fly to another connecting city...and then to my destination...to save $100.  We don't bother checking rates from Eppley anyway.  It's not "bias" towards Omaha either, I wouldn't go to MCI, MSP, CID, or MLI.

I have a friend that is going to be flying up here for my graduation...and he wanted me to drive to Omaha to pick him up (on Southwest).  I told him if he wanted a ride, rent a car and drive himself over (which evaporates any savings).  I'm not driving 4 hours round-trip to save him $100.
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February numbers are in and Eppley again had the best showing, tho down.

Eppley  -7.6% Feb 09 vs. 08, year to date -7.0%
Lincoln  -15% for the month and -15% for the year
Des Moines  -14.79 for the month and -17.10% for the year
KCI  -19.3 for the month and -20.1 % for the year

Lincoln did pick up flights to Atlanta and Salt Lake City with one flight a day each.  

Eppley picked up flights to La Guardia as did Des Moines although AA dropped LGA from DSM.

DSM also picked up weekly flight to LAX.

It really is time for Southwest to step up with a new destination or two from OMA.  BWI, LAX and/or Orlando would be nice.

Here are some interesting facts, per the USAToday travel section online:
Eppley will offer an average of 7,963 seats available per day in May 2009, a 0.1% decrease from 2008.
Lincoln, 495 seats, down 20.3%
Des Moines, 3,232 seats, down 7.1%
KCI 19,224 seats, down 14.1%

They have the table online all the time and change it monthly.  Again, Eppley appears to be faring better than its neighbors.  KCI has been losing some Southwest flights and destinations over the past couple of years.  Recently Southwest dropped KCI-TUL and cut back on service frequency to Chicago.
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I'll be doing my part in a couple of weeks when me and a bunch of friends fly out to Chicago for my birthday.
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Not excited about posting these but here's the numbers by Carrier
January 2009   299,209 down 6.4%
year to date
2009            
299,209 down 6.4%
by airline in January 09 vs January 08
Southwest    74,394 up 2.2%
United          58,742 up 9.1%
Northwest     43,050 down 3.6%
American      35,758 down 17.1%
Continental   20,959 down 7.3%
Delta           20,635 down 15.9%
Frontier        19,879 up 14.1%
USAirways    16,254 down 8.5%
Midwest        9,305 down 37.3%
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And here's February numbers by Carrier
February 2009   300,057 down 7.6%
year to date
2009            
599,266 down 7.0%
by airline in February 09 vs February 08
Southwest    77,797 up 2.4%
United          57,171 down 1.3%
Northwest     41,478 down 4.9%
American      36,931 down 11,9%
Continental   21,100 down 6.8%
Frontier        20,926 up 12.6%
Delta           19,248 down 20.1%
USAirways    14,975 down 14.8%
Midwest        10,292 down 26.8%
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March was actually pretty good compared to most airports, thanks to United, Frontier and Southwest. Here's numbers by Carrier
March 2009   366,345 down 3.3%
year to date
2009            
965,911 down 5.7%
by airline in March 09 vs March 08
Southwest    103,003 up 13.0%
United          72,822 up 12.2%
Northwest     47,311 down 3.1%
American      36,720 down 20.5%
Continental   26,799 down 13.5%
Frontier        24,307 up 24.9%
Delta           22,955 down 10.0%
USAirways    18,152 down 12.3%
Midwest        14,228 down 26.5%
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They added a couple of things to the web site, but in comparison to pretty much every other web site it's still extremely lame.
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The April numbers are out.  Eppley is performing better than the others in the region by a wide margin.  

Airport                                   month                            year
Eppley                                   -1.5%                              -4.6%
Lincoln                                   -14%                               -16%
Des Moines                             -11.75%                            -13.56%
Kansas CIty                             -11.82%                         -15.34%

Others can spin it all they want but OMA is the one not in double digit losses.  I still wonder when Southwest is going to wake up and add some flights at Eppley...Orlando, BWI, LAX, etc.
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The May numbers as out for OMA, LNK and DSM.  Kansas City must have lost the operating instructions for their abacus.

OMA  May -4%  YTD -1.5%
LNK  May -17%  YTD -16%
DSM  May -9.21%  YTD -12.64%

OMA still faring much better than its neighbors.  Looks like June will be good as well.  My mom flew back from Chicago last Tuesday with a planeload of Texas fans coming in for the CWS final.
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NovakOmaha wrote:The April numbers are out.  Eppley is performing better than the others in the region by a wide margin.  

Airport                                   month                            year
Eppley                                   -1.5%                              -4.6%
Lincoln                                   -14%                               -16%
Des Moines                             -11.75%                            -13.56%
Kansas CIty                             -11.82%                         -15.34%

Others can spin it all they want but OMA is the one not in double digit losses.  I still wonder when Southwest is going to wake up and add some flights at Eppley...Orlando, BWI, LAX, etc.
Actually, there will be come downsizing going on in the future.  Southwest is going from 3x to 2x daily to Las Vegas, even though load factors are currently between 85-95%.  Northwest is moving all flights out of Memphis to RJs and removing some mainline from Minneapolis in favor of CRJ9s.  I have heard that Frontier might be introducing Q400 turboprops from Denver, slowly removing Airbus mainline flights.

Even though the passengers numbers are encouraging, things look "interesting" on the horizon.
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