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Coyote wrote: I wonder if there are any records on final destinations.
Where are people already going to that would suggest a Non-Stop...
This is passengers daily each way for the 2nd quarter of 2016 (most recent data available).
Mr.Nuke wrote:Quarter 2 PDEW

Chicago- 374
D.C.- 323
L.A.- 292
Denver- 278
NYC- 252
Phoenix- 250
Dallas- 220
Las Vegas- 202
San Francisco- 176
Orlando- 160
Atlanta- 145
Seattle- 120
St. Louis- 115
Houston- 103
Boston- 100
Portland- 97
Tampa- 93
San Diego- 90
Minneapolis- 76
Charlotte- 74
Miami- 73
Detroit- 65
Philadelphia- 64
Salt Lake City- 59
Nashville- 53
San Antonio- 50
Sacramento- 48
Austin- 43
Raleigh Durham- 43
New Orleans- 39
So is 100 kind of a magic number to get direct flights? I just read that KC-Austin is beginning this month and they made a point of saying that they have 98 daily trips and that 100 makes the direct flight feasible.

Made me think of this list and Boston.
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I could see Delta adding a Boston non-stop flight.
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Is 100 the magic number? I have no idea, but an A319 (mainline) holds around 120 passengers while the ERJs and CRJs (regional) hold around 50 or 70 passengers.
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iamjacobm wrote: So is 100 kind of a magic number to get direct flights? I just read that KC-Austin is beginning this month and they made a point of saying that they have 98 daily trips and that 100 makes the direct flight feasible.

Made me think of this list and Boston.
Omaha_corn_burner wrote:Is 100 the magic number? I have no idea, but an A319 (mainline) holds around 120 passengers while the ERJs and CRJs (regional) hold around 50 or 70 passengers.
I don't know that there is a magic number per se as multiple factors go into route decisions. Is there potential for connecting traffic? What is the airline's existing presence like? Do they have a built up customer base at the airport? How much if any additional demand will a direct flight stimulate? What are people willing to pay? etc.

The first and last being the most important factors PDEW doesn't capture. You could have 200 people a day all wanting to go to destination XYZ but only willing to go at a price that doesn't make sense for the airline to fly the route. Additionally, if you start a new route you are typically taking a plane from elsewhere. Is there an under-performing route that can be cut or frequency reduced on? Almost universally yes. Is there an over-performing route that could use additional frequency or a more lucrative unserved route than a hypothetical new Omaha route? That is typically going to be the big question.

That said, generally I think you want to be in the 80+ ideally 100+ PDEW range to get someone interested. Especially with a single daily flight, a direct flight isn't always going to work out for people timing or price wise. Alaska launched both Seattle and Portland with average annual PDEWs in the low 90s. United launched SFO with an average annual PDEW of 142.
Coyote wrote:I could see Delta adding a Boston non-stop flight.
If anyone does it my guess would be them. From the same Q2 above data these are the top unserved markets for Boston.
SAT - 174
ORF - 166
ABQ - 124
MEM - 123
SDF - 114
OMA - 100
DAY - 90
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I was at a meeting here of the Detroit Regional Chamber. I met a VP from Delta who is involved in route expansion. I asked him about PDEW and he said he knew of it but that data isn't used in their decision, nor by any other carriers that he knows of. They have an extensive formula for deciding route expansion and changes. He said PDEW is a very antiquated data format. We had a nice chat. He played his cards close to the vest but said Delta is pleased with its experience in Omaha and it's on the radar for further expansion and upgrades in aircraft.
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January passenger traffic was up 2.2% versus 2016. Everyone except Delta and Southwest showed growth.
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Airliners.net mentions AA OMA-MIA starting 5 July! No mention of the equipment.
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damonhynes wrote:Airliners.net mentions AA OMA-MIA starting 5 July! No mention of the equipment.
Bloomberg confirms.
American also said Thursday it would add a flight between Dallas-Fort Worth International to Spokane, Washington, and one between Miami and Omaha, Nebraska.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... add-routes
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As shown by last year a great way to grow our passenger numbers is to grow our capacity. Always good to hear new destinations.
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And from today's W-H:

"The Omaha airport today adds another feather to its cap: nonstop flights to Miami.

American Airlines in July will begin daily, direct service to Miami International Airport from Eppley Airfield.

The flight brings the number of nonstop destinations travelers can reach from Omaha to 27.

“This announcement marks the second new destination by American from Omaha in two years and is a testament to passenger demand fueled by a strong local economy,” said Steve McCoy, the manager of airline affairs at Eppley."..

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Omaha Cowboy wrote: is a testament to passenger demand
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Imagine that...
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I'm really excited that we're adding Miami. There are tons of Latin America destinations that connect through Miami. Very excited! :-) :-) :-)
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Mr.Nuke wrote:
Omaha Cowboy wrote: is a testament to passenger demand
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Imagine that...
Indeed, lol...

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SAN DIEGO, March 15, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Alaska Airlines today announced increased investment in Southern California by adding service to six new destinations from San Diego International Airport. New nonstop service includes daily flights to Albuquerque, New Mexico; Austin, Texas; Kansas City, Missouri; Minneapolis/St. Paul; Omaha, Nebraska
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-ai ... 00065.html

Starts 8/27- SAN-OMA leaves at 8:50 and arrives at 2:25, the return flight leaves OMA at 3:05 and arrives in San Diego at 5:05.
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What a week! Good conversations earlier this month everyone, the airlines were obviously listening :;): .
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Mr.Nuke wrote:
SAN DIEGO, March 15, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Alaska Airlines today announced increased investment in Southern California by adding service to six new destinations from San Diego International Airport. New nonstop service includes daily flights to Albuquerque, New Mexico; Austin, Texas; Kansas City, Missouri; Minneapolis/St. Paul; Omaha, Nebraska
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-ai ... 00065.html

Starts 8/27- SAN-OMA leaves at 8:50 and arrives at 2:25, the return flight leaves OMA at 3:05 and arrives in San Diego at 5:05.
Non stop destination number 28 for Omaha's Eppley Airfield..

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I thought we used to have nonstop to San Diego?
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Omaha_corn_burner wrote:I thought we used to have nonstop to San Diego?
ExpressJet served the route in the middle of the 2000s, and Frontier flew it 3 times a week for a while beginning in 2011.
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And now from the W-H:

"The addition of the flight comes a week after Eppley announced another new nonstop route — that one to Miami International Airport on American Airlines.

The flight brings the number of nonstop destinations travelers can reach from Omaha to 28. Aside from San Diego, Portland and Seattle on Alaska Airlines, other airlines offer nonstop service from Omaha to San Francisco; Oakland, California; and Los Angeles."..

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http://www.omaha.com/money/alaska-airli ... 618fd.html

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So is AS responsible for most of Eppley's growth?
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Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
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choke wrote:Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
Are there a lot of Gordman's employees flying in and out of Omaha? I know my company takes full advantage of nonstops in/out of Omaha.
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Omaha's economy is robust, diversified and growing.. + jobs have been added every year this decade.. Which is evident in its healthy metro population growth rate..airlines recognize this growth with additions to the Omaha daily non stop repertoire.. if the growth and need was not fact, none of these daily non stop additions would be happening..

Omaha flying to 28 non stop destinations is an airport record, I believe...

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Omaha Cowboy wrote:Omaha's economy is robust, diversified and growing.. + jobs have been added every year this decade.. Which is evident in its healthy metro population growth rate..airlines recognize this growth with additions to the Omaha daily non stop repertoire.. if the growth and need was not fact, none of these daily non stop additions would be happening..

Omaha flying to 28 non stop destinations is an airport record, I believe...

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Gotta be a record. OMA has had service to Miami, SFO, San Diego and LAX before, even Seattle. Most of that was in the days before deregulation. Some after didn't last long. In any event this much service to this many cities has to be a record. If it can be supported and demand keeps up who knows what could happen next. Larger planes, more frequency, more cities. If you'd have asked me even a year ago if much of this would have happened I'd have said no. I probably was too busy asking where the expansion was. I'm still looking for Boston, Philly, BWI, Dulles, JFK, Fort Lauderdale, a few others, but hey, anything can happen. Spirit is growing. I have my doubts about Jetblue as they aren't in some larger cities I'd expect to get service before OMA. Then again....
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Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
choke wrote:Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
Are there a lot of Gordman's employees flying in and out of Omaha? I know my company takes full advantage of nonstops in/out of Omaha.
With West Corp. falling next. 1000 jobs lost here, 500 jobs lost there. Travel ban. Immigration ban. You'd think it would take its toll on air travel at some point.
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choke wrote:
Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
choke wrote:Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
Are there a lot of Gordman's employees flying in and out of Omaha? I know my company takes full advantage of nonstops in/out of Omaha.
With West Corp. falling next. 1000 jobs lost here, 500 jobs lost there. Travel ban. Immigration ban. You'd think it would take its toll on air travel at some point.
Omaha's unemployment rate in January was 3.3%. I'd hardly be saying the sky is falling. Big businesses left & right? What you're not reading in the press is all of the companies quietly growing.
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NovakOmaha wrote:
choke wrote:
Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
choke wrote:Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
Are there a lot of Gordman's employees flying in and out of Omaha? I know my company takes full advantage of nonstops in/out of Omaha.
With West Corp. falling next. 1000 jobs lost here, 500 jobs lost there. Travel ban. Immigration ban. You'd think it would take its toll on air travel at some point.
Omaha's unemployment rate in January was 3.3%. I'd hardly be saying the sky is falling. Big businesses left & right? What you're not reading in the press is all of the companies quietly growing.
Exactly..

The "sky is falling; cup half empty" take belies reality.. Omaha is a diversified economy that has been growing jobs each year this decade. That is fact. The city is poised to absorb the "losses" because the wins out-number them..

Growing jobs, population and non stop air flight options sure seem to lead to a no growth, stunted metropolis.. Right? :;): ...

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Although large setbacks in employment suck and are typically newsworthy, these ignore the fact that there are hundreds of growing companies in Omaha looking for people. Look at the Con Agra mess. Most of those people stayed and found jobs elsewhere with minimal impact on the health of the economy aside from some office space available.

Great news for OMA. Would love to get that number to 30!
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NovakOmaha wrote:
choke wrote:
Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
choke wrote:Interesting that non-stops keep getting added despite big businesses falling left and right in the metro. Gordman's wipes out another 500 employees.
Are there a lot of Gordman's employees flying in and out of Omaha? I know my company takes full advantage of nonstops in/out of Omaha.
With West Corp. falling next. 1000 jobs lost here, 500 jobs lost there. Travel ban. Immigration ban. You'd think it would take its toll on air travel at some point.
Omaha's unemployment rate in January was 3.3%. I'd hardly be saying the sky is falling. Big businesses left & right? What you're not reading in the press is all of the companies quietly growing.
I don't want to get off the subject of the post, but Omaha's unemployment rate is always low. The coasts had some hard times during the recession and people came to the Midwest looking for work but that's over now. There is no need to stick around Omaha looking for a job when you can go to KC, Denver, Chicago, etc. I hope it's not as bad as it seems.
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It's mind boggling how self loathing people on a development forum can be...

Omaha is a great small city with more than its fair share of successful companies, good restaurants, arts and entertainment.

These direct flights were not added purely speculatively. Airlines are data driven businesses with metrics that indicate an opportunity for increased profits due to Omaha's desirability.

Just enjoy the good news.
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Dundeemaha wrote:It's mind boggling how self loathing people on a development forum can be...

Omaha is a great small city with more than its fair share of successful companies, good restaurants, arts and entertainment.

These direct flights were not added purely speculatively. Airlines are data driven businesses with metrics that indicate an opportunity for increased profits due to Omaha's desirability.

Just enjoy the good news.
Thank you :thumb: ..

And friends, moving forward, please let's stay on topic...

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One last thing.

Sure, now that I've been gone over 8 years NOW Omaha has non stops coast to coast. Back in the day transferring in Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, etc. was the only way to go.
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NovakOmaha wrote:One last thing.

Sure, now that I've been gone over 8 years NOW Omaha has non stops coast to coast. Back in the day transferring in Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, etc. was the only way to go.
I remember that. My family would go to Orlando back in the day for Disney trips and it's crazy to think a direct flight is possible now.
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Garrett wrote:I remember that. My family would go to Orlando back in the day for Disney trips and it's crazy to think a direct flight is possible now.
There's actually nonstop flights to Orlando now. No need for connections anymore.
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Omaha_corn_burner wrote:
Garrett wrote:I remember that. My family would go to Orlando back in the day for Disney trips and it's crazy to think a direct flight is possible now.
There's actually nonstop flights to Orlando now. No need for connections anymore.
Yes that's what I was saying haha. :;):
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Filling in the map nicely. All Eppley needs are Ft. Lauderdale, Boston, Philadelphia, Dulles, BWI, JFK, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Austin, San Antonio, Toronto, Cancun, maybe a few more. I had to take a screen shot. It wouldn't let me save the image.

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NovakOmaha wrote:Filling in the map nicely. All Eppley needs are
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NovakOmaha wrote:Filling in the map nicely. All Eppley needs are Ft. Lauderdale, Boston, Philadelphia, Dulles, BWI, JFK, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Austin, San Antonio, Toronto, Cancun, maybe a few more. I had to take a screen shot. It wouldn't let me save the image.

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