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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Mr.Nuke » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:10 pm

thenewguy wrote:So based on what little I know of air traffic, Eppley should be sufficiently long enough to support take off/landing of 747 aircraft. I don't think we are near the passenger threshold to warrant such large aircraft in and out of there, but it should at least be possible, right?

So yeah as others said, within the last 2 months Delta and United the last two domestic airlines flying 747s both retired their fleets and neither had been really doing a lot of domestic flying of them other than charters. But beyond that, a plane of that size is a ton of seats to try and fill. United's configuration was a total of 374 seats. For comparison United is operating 5 different flights from Omaha to Denver today. The total number of seats on all 5 flights combined is 370...
Ryan Air wrote:So while OMA runways may be within the limitations of a particular aircrafts, there could be taxiways restrictions.
For sure no gate accommodations.

The only one that I'm aware of at Eppley is for any group IV or larger aircraft so 757's and larger basically is that they can't use the inner taxiway between gates 14-16 (presumably United 757 related back when they used to fly them here regularly).

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:46 pm

Mr.Nuke wrote:
thenewguy wrote:So based on what little I know of air traffic, Eppley should be sufficiently long enough to support take off/landing of 747 aircraft. I don't think we are near the passenger threshold to warrant such large aircraft in and out of there, but it should at least be possible, right?

So yeah as others said, within the last 2 months Delta and United the last two domestic airlines flying 747s both retired their fleets and neither had been really doing a lot of domestic flying of them other than charters. But beyond that, a plane of that size is a ton of seats to try and fill. United's configuration was a total of 374 seats. For comparison United is operating 5 different flights from Omaha to Denver today. The total number of seats on all 5 flights combined is 370...
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So while OMA runways may be within the limitations of a particular aircrafts, there could be taxiways restrictions.
For sure no gate accommodations.

The only one that I'm aware of at Eppley is for any group IV or larger aircraft so 757's and larger basically is that they can't use the inner taxiway between gates 14-16 (presumably United 757 related back when they used to fly them here regularly).


Sounds correct to me.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:31 pm

I have a question for those in the know...

With the rental car counters moving to a dedicated space once the garage construction is done what will happen to the current rental car counters? I know the terminal is scheduled to be completely redone but until then what will be where the current rental car counters are? (Wow, what a long question)

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Postby jessep28 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:37 pm

The Airbus A380 is an exception, but I think the era of the double deck, four engine, wide body jetliner is largely over. The two engine stuff like the Boeing 777 can do the same job for cheaper. Modern turbofan engines are so reliable, you don't really need the extra redundancy, even on trans-Pacific flights.
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Boeing 747 retirement: Farewell to the 'Queen of the Skies'

For the first time in 48 years, you can't buy a ticket on a US airline to fly on a Boeing 747.
On Wednesday, Delta Air Lines Flight 9771 touched down in Marana, Arizona, an arid boneyard for stored and cannibalized jetliners. A three-hour-and-33-minute journey from Atlanta.
The last of the airline's 16 jumbo Boeing 747-400s flew to a desert retirement, ending operations by passenger airlines in the United States.
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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:25 am

In 2001, shortly after 9/11, a friend of mine was booked on Northwest Airlines from Omaha to Minneapolis. As you can imagine the airlines were hustling to relocate jets that had been grounded. Anyway, my friend was the only passenger on a 747 from Omaha to Minneapolis. I dont remember all of the particulars and where the jet came from or if it was overnighted in Omaha or what. He said it was really weird and creepy. It was him, the pilots and a bunch of crew members.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:09 pm

NovakOmaha wrote:I have a question for those in the know...

With the rental car counters moving to a dedicated space once the garage construction is done what will happen to the current rental car counters? I know the terminal is scheduled to be completely redone but until then what will be where the current rental car counters are? (Wow, what a long question)


I don’t believe there is anything addressing that yet. Nothing that I’ve read or seen. But those very specific type of plans are under development with the firm chosen by OAA (the nameescapes me at the moment) I know Airport Police has a front drive office (a second office in addition to current location) on their wish list where they can access the drive from the terminal. There is no access to baggage belts or the ramp, so an airline relocation/addition in that space is unlikely. I wouldn’t expect too much from that area as we’re getting pretty close to terminal redevelopment

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Mr.Nuke » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:15 pm

jessep28 wrote:The Airbus A380 is an exception, but I think the era of the double deck, four engine, wide body jetliner is largely over. The two engine stuff like the Boeing 777 can do the same job for cheaper. Modern turbofan engines are so reliable, you don't really need the extra redundancy, even on trans-Pacific flights.

The A380 isn't really an exception either. On a net-basis it hasn't had an order in 3 years, production rates have been slashed from 30 a year to 9 last year, and Airbus is saying if Emirates doesn't order more planes the program will probably effectively be killed. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... EL11L?il=0
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Re: the rental car counters I agree with Ryan Air. Given where they're at both on the level of the airport and the side they're on at said level as well as the space or lack-thereof they currently occupy; I can't see them being replaced with anything of note.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Mr.Nuke » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:19 pm

Not Omaha, but Kansas City picked up transatlantic service for the first time with 3 times a week service to Iceland this summer via Icelandair.

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Postby Garrett » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:48 pm

Mr.Nuke wrote:Not Omaha, but Kansas City picked up transatlantic service for the first time with 3 times a week service to Iceland this summer via Icelandair.


Ohhhh very nice. A great cheap way to get to Europe if you're ok with going no frills.
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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:07 am

Mr.Nuke wrote:---------
Re: the rental car counters I agree with Ryan Air. Given where they're at both on the level of the airport and the side they're on at said level as well as the space or lack-thereof they currently occupy; I can't see them being replaced with anything of note.


Maybe at least toss a couple of chairs, a table and a couch? It seems to me that it will just be dead space. Have a jazz band or a choir sing? Something.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:46 pm

I have a question, or really more of an observation.

I was talking with a friend from Omaha tonight. He was telling me about the progress on the parking garage and rental car area at Eppley. Something struck me. The rental car facility will be on the second floor. So here's my question. You exit the plane on the upper level, go to the lower lever to bag claim, if you have checked bags, then you have to go back to the upper level to use the skywalk? I mean, it's not a terrible thing but still. It seems to me that perhaps after finishing the new parking garage they could have located the rental car area in the garage directly across from the terminal, on ground level?

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby jimyedy » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:26 am

NovakOmaha wrote:I have a question, or really more of an observation.

I was talking with a friend from Omaha tonight. He was telling me about the progress on the parking garage and rental car area at Eppley. Something struck me. The rental car facility will be on the second floor. So here's my question. You exit the plane on the upper level, go to the lower lever to bag claim, if you have checked bags, then you have to go back to the upper level to use the skywalk? I mean, it's not a terrible thing but still. It seems to me that perhaps after finishing the new parking garage they could have located the rental car area in the garage directly across from the terminal, on ground level?



Doesn't make a ton of sense but certainly more convenient than a place like PHX where you have to hop on a bus and travel a 1/2 mile then wait for an elevator or drag bags down stairs. That facility irritates me greatly.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby riceweb » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:01 am

Eventually departures will be on the first floor and arrivals will be on the second floor. In that scenario, the parking garage setup makes sense.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:56 pm

riceweb wrote:Eventually departures will be on the first floor and arrivals will be on the second floor. In that scenario, the parking garage setup makes sense.


Typically, or at least at the airports to which I've flown where there are two levels, departures are on the second level and arrivals are on the first.

In any event it's true that being able to walk to a car rental facility is much better than having to wait for and take a shuttle to a remote area. Going back upstairs really isn't that big of a deal.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:36 pm

A facebook conversation I had today with the Eppley facebook site:

Me:
For the Eppley geeks out there, when will you be posting the 2017 year end statistics?

Eppley Airfield-OMA:
Hi Larry. Thank you for your inquiry. We are finalizing the statistics and will have them posted to our website shortly. Thanks again, and have a great day!

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Uffda » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:34 pm

NovakOmaha wrote:I have a question, or really more of an observation.
It seems to me that perhaps after finishing the new parking garage they could have located the rental car area in the garage directly across from the terminal, on ground level?


At the Tampa airport, you pickup your bags and then walk across about 3 lanes of passenger pickup traffic to the enclosed rental car area. From there you go to Level 1 or 2 of the attached garage to pick up your car.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:14 pm

riceweb wrote:Eventually departures will be on the first floor and arrivals will be on the second floor. In that scenario, the parking garage setup makes sense.

Opposite: departures will be on the second level and so will ticket counters and security checkpoint. Arrivals and bag claim will be on the first level.

Now, how the drive will be (supposed to be two levels) I do not know. I am assuming the master plan has been taken into account when designing the new rental car facility.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:20 pm

Ryan Air wrote:
riceweb wrote:Eventually departures will be on the first floor and arrivals will be on the second floor. In that scenario, the parking garage setup makes sense.

Opposite: departures will be on the second level and so will ticket counters and security checkpoint. Arrivals and bag claim will be on the first level.

Now, how the drive will be (supposed to be two levels) I do not know. I am assuming the master plan has been taken into account when designing the new rental car facility.


Maybe they've changed it but in the renderings there is no second level road, nor is there any mention of two levels in the CIP.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:42 pm

NovakOmaha wrote:
Ryan Air wrote:
riceweb wrote:Eventually departures will be on the first floor and arrivals will be on the second floor. In that scenario, the parking garage setup makes sense.

Opposite: departures will be on the second level and so will ticket counters and security checkpoint. Arrivals and bag claim will be on the first level.

Now, how the drive will be (supposed to be two levels) I do not know. I am assuming the master plan has been taken into account when designing the new rental car facility.


Maybe they've changed it but in the renderings there is no second level road, nor is there any mention of two levels in the CIP.


You’re right.

For sure there will be a significant change to the front drive. It’s already nearing capacity during peak times and causes issues all the way to Abbot Dr. Previous renderings and comments by OAA people in the past talked about two-level drive. Sort of standard these days. One level with both bag claim and ticketing is not impossible - central security checkpoint could still be upper with escalators to the check point. SMF Terminsl A and LNK are that way. I just don’t see the footprint of current renderings being large enough or super functional without two levels. I’m sure we will see some sort of master plan update this year.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:57 pm

http://www.flyoma.com/images/pdfs/Decem ... istics.pdf

2017 numbers up
4.6 million 6% growth

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:19 pm

Ryan Air wrote:http://www.flyoma.com/images/pdfs/December_2017_Traffic_Statistics.pdf

2017 numbers up
4.6 million 6% growth


Every airline posted a passenger increase for 2017. Cargo/Mail was up too..

4,611,906 passengers for 2017.. Impressive indeed for OMA :thumb: ...

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby NovakOmaha » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:29 pm

It's a record yes, but what's up with United?

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Ryan Air » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:56 pm

NovakOmaha wrote:It's a record yes, but what's up with United?


I saw their decrease in December as well. They’re up for the year overall. For sure there was an incredible difference in mainline v. regional numbers. Mainline this year 11k and over 40k last year.

Honestly, I hate United. With a passion. So I won’t even pretend to know what’s going on. I don’t even follow them. They contract employees at OMA- all are idiots and requently run baggage cars Into |expletive|. They all make minimum wage and couldn’t care less about service or anything. I only hope they can do simple math and are able to accurately calculate aircraft weight.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby Omababe » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:50 am

NovakOmaha wrote:It's a record yes, but what's up with United?


Probably my least favorite airline to fly.

Of all of the delays, misrouted baggage, cancelled flights, you name it, that I can remember, most were United.

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Re: Omaha Eppley Airfield

Postby guy4omaha » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:36 pm

I also hate United with a passion. Many mishaps with them over the years. Culminating with them overcharging me more than $1600 on my last flight with them which was a bereavement flight in 2007. They admitted their error but refused to correct it. Unbelievable. Did I mention I hate them with a passion. Hope they lose more business.
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