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If MAT is so clearly broken and behind the times, can an outside party step in and create an alternate bus/transportation service with all the seemingly simple improvements that MAT hasn't done? Â Or is it MAT or nothing?
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My guess is that MAT has some kind of standing as a monopoly as some kind of public benefit organization.Zilla wrote:If MAT is so clearly broken and behind the times, can an outside party step in and create an alternate bus/transportation service with all the seemingly simple improvements that MAT hasn't done? Or is it MAT or nothing?
However, I did hear that back in the 1960s, the bus service between Omaha and Bellevue was provided by a private company, so there may be some way it could happen. I'm sure this was somewhat similar to the way it is in Chicago with the Pace Bus lines serving the outlying areas. I know that back in NYC when I was growing up, some of the Queens bus lines were private.
I'm sure that if a private bus company could come in, they would want to cherry-pick routes, as in those with the most riders, and not really improve service in the areas where ridership is light.
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I don't feel any need to expound on this, as you've all pointed out all the things that are wrong and all the things that need to happen to improve bus transit in Omaha.
This is really probably the biggest blemish on Omaha.
At least we do now have a FREE, late night shuttle between Downtown and Midtown on the weekends thanks to MTC! Â :thumb:
This is really probably the biggest blemish on Omaha.
At least we do now have a FREE, late night shuttle between Downtown and Midtown on the weekends thanks to MTC! Â :thumb:
I live in the east part of Omaha. Â Our house is actually on a double bus route. Â I NEVER see a MAT bus with more than just a few people aboard. Â In fact, most of the time, the buses I see are empty. Â No matter what part of the city I'm in, it's always the same story when you see a MAT bus. Â Giant buses rambling all over the city with nobody aboard.S33 wrote:Pretty much any bus I've ever seen west of 72nd with the Westroads being the only exception.Omababe wrote:I often times see a bus as I pass the intersection of 102nd and Fort in the morning. Usually there's only a few people riding it.justnick wrote:Where are these empty buses?
The one that loops through the airport is mostly empty.
MAT is one of the most poorly run, inefficient jokes in all of Omaha. Â How/why they stay in business is beyond me.
We desperately need good public transportation for a lot of reasons. Â But I don't think MAT will EVER meet that need. Â Maybe it's time to completely dump MAT and start over - start from scratch with a completely different organization.
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Firm to help improve bus service
Can we get them to come across the river and tell MAT that they suck in Omaha too?Omaha World Herald wrote:The Council Bluffs City Council on Monday evening unanimously approved the hiring of a firm to find ways to improve bus service in the community.
The Seattle-based firm, Perteet, “will help strategize increased ridership and increased revenue and find areas to cut costs,” Councilman Matt Walsh said.
MAT (METRO AREA Transit) does both cities, as well as Bellevue LaVista, etc.Seth wrote:Firm to help improve bus service
Can we get them to come across the river and tell MAT that they suck in Omaha too?Omaha World Herald wrote:The Council Bluffs City Council on Monday evening unanimously approved the hiring of a firm to find ways to improve bus service in the community.
The Seattle-based firm, Perteet, “will help strategize increased ridership and increased revenue and find areas to cut costs,” Councilman Matt Walsh said.
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"METRO" (formerly MAT)
"METRO" (formerly MAT)
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100823/N ... ha-s-metro
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100823/N ... ha-s-metro
Bob Glissmann WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER wrote:A new name. A new logo. And 24 new buses.
Metro Area Transit, Omaha's transit authority, announced Monday that it is dropping the "MAT" name and now will go by "Metro." The new logo is a blue "M".
The transit authority is asking the public "to think differently about public transportation," said Curt Simon, Metro's executive director. "This new image shows we are, too."
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If they are honestly trying to change, a new logo is great because its a constant reminder that they are trying to change. Â However if its just a dog and pony show for the public, then its worthless.
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New webiste too:
http://www.ometro.com/
http://www.ometro.com/
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Their route map still looks like a bowl of spaghetti.
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The concept is pervasive across corporate America. Like New and Improved TIDE and Windows 7.S33 wrote:Yeah, that's pretty funny that they change a name and logo and because of that, they are "thinking differently about public transportation."
Is it when we stop believing this stuff that we become old and cynical?
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Had to leave my car at the Midas at 90th and Center tonight. Then spent a half hour calling people trying to find a ride home. Saw the bus go by once but had no idea where it was going as no map at bus stop. Looking at the map online now looks like I could have gotten within a mile of home.
As for going to work tomorrow morning.... I need 144th and Fort -- it doesn't get within two miles of there and only in a round about way.
As for going to work tomorrow morning.... I need 144th and Fort -- it doesn't get within two miles of there and only in a round about way.
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Lipstick on a pig?
Anyway, the new web site and the new logo/brand are improvements. The web site now at least seems usable.
The new logo is a big "meh" for me. As people have noted, it seems totally generic and unremarkable. But still, it's an improvement.
What's lacking are service improvements. Maybe the updated look will entice some new riders and the increase in funds will allow for improvements - and hopefully the improvements come in time to keep those same new riders before they realize that the system is a joke and are forced into isolation or car ownership.
What good is a new bus if it doesn't go where you need to go at times that are convenient for you? Also, there's a few new buses - great - but it's still a |expletive| shoot whether you'll get a nice, new one or an old, smelly, dirty POS bus.
I am very impressed with Albany's bus system so far and I will definitely be sharing more about that in the coming months.
Anyway, the new web site and the new logo/brand are improvements. The web site now at least seems usable.
The new logo is a big "meh" for me. As people have noted, it seems totally generic and unremarkable. But still, it's an improvement.
What's lacking are service improvements. Maybe the updated look will entice some new riders and the increase in funds will allow for improvements - and hopefully the improvements come in time to keep those same new riders before they realize that the system is a joke and are forced into isolation or car ownership.
What good is a new bus if it doesn't go where you need to go at times that are convenient for you? Also, there's a few new buses - great - but it's still a |expletive| shoot whether you'll get a nice, new one or an old, smelly, dirty POS bus.
I am very impressed with Albany's bus system so far and I will definitely be sharing more about that in the coming months.
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You are absolutely correct that there should be better transit to your area, but in no way, shape, or form is 129th and Maple the center of town!
"The right to have access to every building in the city by private motorcar in an age when everyone possesses such a vehicle is actually the right to destroy the city."
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Lewis Mumford, The Highway and the City, 1963
Anyone pay attention to the "Destination" on the front of the bus when you are driving around? Â Sometimes they seem really odd... Â Either the most messed up buss route or someone forgot to change the sign. Â After looking at the map, I think the routes are just that weird. Â Next time you see one in your hood, just look where its going.
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Considering continuous development goes out to the 200's now, 120th ain't too far from the proverbial center of town anymore. Maple's probably too far north, since most development is south, but nonetheless, he's not that far off. I'd probably say 680-Dodge is the new midpoint.StreetsOfOmaha wrote:You are absolutely correct that there should be better transit to your area, but in no way, shape, or form is 129th and Maple the center of town!
Not that I really care anymore, since my wife dragged us to Ames for her new job and I'm now commuting to Des Moines every day. We're looking to buy a typical suburban (THE HORROR!) house in Ankeny next year to split the commute more evenly.
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Omaha is the hub of a much larger region, of which the epicenter is Downtown. In a regional context, the numbers of Omaha's streets are quite inconsequential in terms of identifying a midpoint.
"The right to have access to every building in the city by private motorcar in an age when everyone possesses such a vehicle is actually the right to destroy the city."
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Then, under that definition, I take it you believe the center of the contiguous U.S. is probably NYC or Washington D.C, and not somewhere in Kansas?StreetsOfOmaha wrote:Omaha is the hub of a much larger region, of which the epicenter is Downtown. In a regional context, the numbers of Omaha's streets are quite inconsequential in terms of identifying a midpoint.
Just because you're talking about some political sphere of influence "center," that does not mean the geographical midpoint is somehow invalid or inconsequential. Especially when that's clearly what the first poster meant.
Then again, if I remember right, you disagreed with the common notion that 72nd and Dodge is, or ever was, "the middle of Omaha."
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Sorry to steal the thread but, what does your wife do in Ames?OmahaBen wrote:Not that I really care anymore, since my wife dragged us to Ames for her new job and I'm now commuting to Des Moines every day. We're looking to buy a typical suburban (THE HORROR!) house in Ankeny next year to split the commute more evenly.
If you're looking for typical suburban homes, Skankeny is definitely the right place.
She works for the State of Iowa over in Nevada (the town, not the state, for those who don't know central iowa); we're just renting an apartment in Ames for now. It's a small enough office in a small enough town that I'd prefer not to give out more detail than that on here.TitosBuritoBarn wrote:Sorry to steal the thread but, what does your wife do in Ames?OmahaBen wrote:Not that I really care anymore, since my wife dragged us to Ames for her new job and I'm now commuting to Des Moines every day. We're looking to buy a typical suburban (THE HORROR!) house in Ankeny next year to split the commute more evenly.
If you're looking for typical suburban homes, Skankeny is definitely the right place.
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OmahaBen, I get it. You morph and contort everything I say into the most extreme, black and white, convenient, little sound-bite comparison you can think of. (You could be very successful at Fox News or another mainstream news network)
OK? I get it, and everyone else probably does to.
OK? I get it, and everyone else probably does to.
"The right to have access to every building in the city by private motorcar in an age when everyone possesses such a vehicle is actually the right to destroy the city."
Lewis Mumford, The Highway and the City, 1963
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I may use the rhetorical tactic of taking a viewpoint to its logical conclusion, but that's because less extreme approaches don't seem to even phase you.
I'll stop trying to take your viewpoints to their logical extremes whenever you admit that opposing viewpoints can be just as valid or agree that sometimes compromise is not only necessary, but the better choice. I won't be holding my breath, though. (For examples, see any of the hundreds of urban v. suburban threads).
I'll stop trying to take your viewpoints to their logical extremes whenever you admit that opposing viewpoints can be just as valid or agree that sometimes compromise is not only necessary, but the better choice. I won't be holding my breath, though. (For examples, see any of the hundreds of urban v. suburban threads).