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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:05 am

I'm excited to know what this transit center might entail. Between this and the new Downtown transit hub (in conjunction with the proposed work on 16th Street), Metro has an exciting opportunity to "reinvent" itself by offering riders and potential riders 1st World transit amenities; things like ample shelter, system maps, route information, trash and recycling receptacles, bike racks, lighting, etc.

I look forward to seeing designs.
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Postby iamjacobm » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:54 am

Metro FINALLY got on Google Transit.

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:15 pm

I just heard about this, too. Excellent news!!!
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Postby Seth » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:23 pm

Wow, that's awesome!  They're own trip planner is pretty kludgey.

I'm still skeptical, but they do seem to be slowly improving.  I've also noticed they're adding route numbers to some of the bus stop signs.  If they help start a late-night weekend circulator route, I might consider them as a serious transportation option.

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Postby the1wags » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:30 pm

I found out tonight while riding the bus to my first Avs game of the season that ALL of RTD's services are free on New Years after 6 PM. Bus and light rail. I had never even thought of this in Omaha. What would it take for MAT to do this?

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Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:37 pm

the1wags wrote:I found out tonight while riding the bus to my first Avs game of the season that ALL of RTD's services are free on New Years after 6 PM. Bus and light rail. I had never even thought of this in Omaha. What would it take for MAT to do this?


Chicago does much the same with the "L" being free to ride on New Years as well

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Postby BusMan » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:41 pm

the1wags wrote:I found out tonight while riding the bus to my first Avs game of the season that ALL of RTD's services are free on New Years after 6 PM. Bus and light rail. I had never even thought of this in Omaha. What would it take for MAT to do this?


It would take a third party sponsoring the night ($$$) like MillerCoors does in many cities across the US. Won't happen in Omaha because MAT won't allow alcohol ads on the buses.

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Postby Seth » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:00 pm

BusMan wrote:MAT won't allow alcohol ads on the buses.


What about drunk bums?

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:05 am

That is a really good idea.

I wonder why Hauptman, O'Brien, Wolf, & Lathrop doesn't add this to their free cab-ride home program. If a percentage of the people who would take the cab ride took the bus instead, they would save a lot of money, and/or get a lot less people to drive drunk.

Anyway, seems like any number of local businesses could sponsor this.
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Postby Omababe » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:16 pm

StreetsOfOmaha wrote:If a percentage of the people who would take the cab ride took the bus instead, they would save a lot of money, and/or get a lot less people to drive drunk.


Knowing how people behave, if the free taxi is available, nobody's gonna take the bus!

Besides, would the bus go where people drink and where people live?

Would it still be running at or after closing time?

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:05 pm

All valid points.

I think that a 1 to 2 hour wait for a free cab ride is excellent incentive to take the bus.
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Postby Seth » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:16 pm

StreetsOfOmaha wrote:All valid points.

I think that a 1 to 2 hour wait for a free cab ride is excellent incentive to take the bus.


Yeah, unless it's a 1 to 2 hour wait for a free bus.

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Postby bigredmed » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:36 pm

Say some drunk got a free bus ride and then got dropped off at 118th and Miracle Hills or 132nd and Center, but lived at 120th and Candlewood.   He staggers down a slippery road and trips and hits his head.  The alcohol makes him bleed faster than normal, and he gets a serious intracranial hemorrhage.   This causes him to stagger into traffic and get run over.

Now the lawyers get sued because they set this up.  Metro gets sued, but gets dropped because of sovereign immunity and because the bus driver did what they were supposed to do.  

The lawyers have a big tort risk because they could have used the cabs they have used in the past.  

The cabs would have had one person looking at the guy the whole time and the driver could have called for help after the first injury, or avoided it all together by taking him to his apartment building directly.  

They can't hide behind the argument that the drunk should have known better, because its assumed that in his condition, he was doing the best he could by calling for the bus.  It would be the expectation that they would act in the best interest of the people they were serving (drunks everywhere), and use the wisdom gained from previous years to act as a good steward for the drunk.

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:36 pm

bigredmed wrote:Say some drunk got a free bus ride and then got dropped off at 118th and Miracle Hills or 132nd and Center, but lived at 120th and Candlewood.


You're right; a person would have to be smart enough not to live in the suburbs to avoid such a scenario.  :;):
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Postby bigredmed » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:59 pm

StreetsOfOmaha wrote:
bigredmed wrote:Say some drunk got a free bus ride and then got dropped off at 118th and Miracle Hills or 132nd and Center, but lived at 120th and Candlewood.


You're right; a person would have to be smart enough not to live in the suburbs to avoid such a scenario.  :;):


Back under your bridge, troll.

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Postby Zilla » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:45 am

Why does EVERY thread have to gravitate towards Urban vs. Suburban??  Good lord....   :roll:
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Postby Big E » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:57 am

Zilla wrote:Why does EVERY thread have to gravitate towards Urban vs. Suburban??  Good lord....   :roll:


Zilla's signature, without the slightest hint of irony, wrote:Proudly oppressing the rest of Omaha with my suburbia lifestyle since 1999.


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Postby Zilla » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:39 am

I guess I should modify my signature depending on what the topic of the thread is?  Again I say....   :roll:
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Postby Linkin5 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:43 am

Zilla wrote:I guess I should modify my signature depending on what the topic of the thread is?  Again I say....   :roll:


Yeah, because that was what BigE was alluding to.

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Postby TitosBuritoBarn » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:38 pm

bigredmed wrote:Say some drunk got a free bus ride and then got dropped off at 118th and Miracle Hills or 132nd and Center, but lived at 120th and Candlewood.   He staggers down a slippery road and trips and hits his head.  The alcohol makes him bleed faster than normal, and he gets a serious intracranial hemorrhage.   This causes him to stagger into traffic and get run over.

Now the lawyers get sued because they set this up.  Metro gets sued, but gets dropped because of sovereign immunity and because the bus driver did what they were supposed to do.  

The lawyers have a big tort risk because they could have used the cabs they have used in the past.  

The cabs would have had one person looking at the guy the whole time and the driver could have called for help after the first injury, or avoided it all together by taking him to his apartment building directly.  

They can't hide behind the argument that the drunk should have known better, because its assumed that in his condition, he was doing the best he could by calling for the bus.  It would be the expectation that they would act in the best interest of the people they were serving (drunks everywhere), and use the wisdom gained from previous years to act as a good steward for the drunk.


It's not a new idea. We had this in Ames where I went to college. Officially they referred to the program as the Moonlight Express, but to students it was known as "the drunk bus". Typically they run door-to-door service but sometimes will run normal routes if ridership is light. It has been very successful. Every couple of years a drunk student manages to get themselves killed, but never in a way involving the Moonlight Express.

http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=1312

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Postby bigredmed » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:39 pm

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It's not a new idea. We had this in Ames where I went to college. Officially they referred to the program as the Moonlight Express, but to students it was known as "the drunk bus". Typically they run door-to-door service but sometimes will run normal routes if ridership is light. It has been very successful. Every couple of years a drunk student manages to get themselves killed, but never in a way involving the Moonlight Express.

http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=1312


Yes, and in a place like Ames or Gainesville, it would work pretty well as they are compact small towns with focused housing (most students live close to ISU in Ames.)   In a larger city like Albuquerque where they have had a good bus system since at least the 1980's, it might work in the older part of the city near the UNM. But out in the west mesa, or in the north valley, I would bet that even their bus system would flail.

Our poor joke of a bus system would bomb big time.

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Postby Coyote » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:19 pm

[font=Georgia]More took free holiday ride home[/font]

Kevin Cole WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER wrote:The Hauptman, O'Brien, Wolf and Lathrop law firm said it provided a record 3,248 cab rides during its Holiday Safe Ride Home program. "We only hope that the number continues to grow because, in our practice, we see the effects of drinking and driving all the time." The Nebraska State Patrol said it arrested 121 drunken drivers; the Omaha Police Department, 84; and the Douglas County Sheriff's Office, 25.
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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:53 pm

Ok someone is going to have to explain this to me.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Bus-Stop-Removal--172475801.html

The city of Omaha is removing several bus stops along 16th Street and will have to shut down some of the surrounding streets and lanes.


There was no mention as to if they are replacing them at the current location or moving the transit center to 16th and Cass or just taking out the shelters.  Would be nice for more info on this.

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Postby HR Paperstacks » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:09 pm

iamjacobm wrote:Ok someone is going to have to explain this to me.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Bus-Stop-Removal--172475801.html

The city of Omaha is removing several bus stops along 16th Street and will have to shut down some of the surrounding streets and lanes.


There was no mention as to if they are replacing them at the current location or moving the transit center to 16th and Cass or just taking out the shelters.  Would be nice for more info on this.

From what I remember, they were going to take the bus stops off of 16th Street to get rid of the bus traffic on there and move them to 24th Street (I think around Capitol).

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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:12 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:Ok someone is going to have to explain this to me.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Bus-Stop-Removal--172475801.html

The city of Omaha is removing several bus stops along 16th Street and will have to shut down some of the surrounding streets and lanes.


There was no mention as to if they are replacing them at the current location or moving the transit center to 16th and Cass or just taking out the shelters.  Would be nice for more info on this.

From what I remember, they were going to take the bus stops off of 16th Street to get rid of the bus traffic on there and move them to 24th Street (I think around Capitol).


According to the DT Master Plan it is supposed to get moved under 480 on 16th.  This article didn't mention anything like that.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:08 pm

I don't think this is any indication of them preparing to remove the buses from 16th street yet.  There hasn't been any progress on the proposed transit center under I-480 and there also havent been any notifications on the Metro site.  Although I do wonder why they would remove the shelters when the street won't be reconfigured soon.   Anyway, I always thought the idea was to remove 16th street as a major transfer area, not to remove all routes all together.  Whenever the 16th street improvements are made I anticipate there will be one or two routes that still run on 16th; it would be bad on Metro's image to not have any direct service.

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Postby Coyote » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:49 pm

Metro Transit now announces its operation of an Event Circulator linking downtown events, the Old Market, hotels, other attractions and numerous parking options. The goal is for people to park and have the flexibility to easily travel to multiple activities while visiting downtown Omaha.

This Saturday is especially exciting, with "The Battles on Ice" at TD Ameritrade Park and "The Home & Garden Expo" continuing at the CenturyLink Center. Metro recommends attendees arrive early and stay after: Board the circulator and explore downtown shops and restaurants!

For those not attending either event, come downtown by bus or car, board the circulator and enjoy yourselves, too!

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•Date: Saturday, February 9th, 2013
• Hours: 10:30 AM – 9:00 PM
• Route: one-way loop traveling east on Cuming; south on 10th; west on Jackson and north on 16th; bus stops will have Event Circulator signage
• Frequency: 10 minutes
• Fare: 25¢ cash
• Hoodsign Reads: Event Circulator



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*All Metro buses are Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) accessible and heated, too!
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Postby Big E » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:54 pm

Hey, that only took ten years!
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Postby jessep28 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:50 pm

This increases the parking options for that lady who was complaining in the Shamrock OWH article comments. I wonder if they will do this for say Creighton games or major concerts on the weekdays?
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Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:28 am

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130607/NEWS/706079910/1685

The first increase in state funding in six years could mean new buses, tax relief or expanded transit services in Omaha and Lincoln.

The Nebraska Legislature last week voted 32-5 to override Gov. Dave Heineman's veto of increased funding for the state's Public Transportation Assistance Program. An additional $2 million had been allocated for each of the next two fiscal years.

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Postby Coyote » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:20 pm

[font=Georgia]Cities Consider Dropping Bus Service[/font]

WOWT wrote:Those who depend on the bus in areas like Ralston, Papillion, and La Vista may have to find some new ways to get into Omaha.
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Postby iamjacobm » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:08 pm

I am usually not downtown around 5, but I was today.  Every north side of the street was PACKED with people using the bus, almost all of them looked "white collar."  Also downtown in general was crawling with people between 4 and 6 when I was down there.  A corner is being turned and all these new apartments are just going to add to it.

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Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:48 pm

iamjacobm wrote:I am usually not downtown around 5, but I was today.  Every north side of the street was PACKED with people using the bus, almost all of them looked "white collar."  Also downtown in general was crawling with people between 4 and 6 when I was down there.  A corner is being turned and all these new apartments are just going to add to it.

Well that is certainly some good signs about future growth downtown. If it can keep that momentum, land downtown will be too valuable to just sit on. And who knows, that could lead to our next skyscraper!  :music: (Or at least I can dream that...)

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Postby RNcyanide » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:50 pm

Maybe we could have the street car discussion again.
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Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:05 pm

RNcyanide wrote:Maybe we could have the street car discussion again.

As well as light rail!!  :yes:

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Postby RNcyanide » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:09 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:
RNcyanide wrote:Maybe we could have the street car discussion again.

As well as light rail!!  :yes:


A monorail around downtown and along Dodge, Center, and 72nd would be awesome.
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Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:26 pm

RNcyanide wrote:
HR Paperstacks wrote:
RNcyanide wrote:Maybe we could have the street car discussion again.

As well as light rail!!  :yes:


A monorail around downtown and along Dodge, Center, and 72nd would be awesome.

I was thinking something more like this:
https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zjITiAXD7kOs.kxQCoyFbfWIc

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Postby Alec12321 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:23 pm

My friend who goes to UNO and another who goes to MCC just both told me that they get free bus passes… Have students always been able to get free bus passes? Is there more to the story? I just think that should add quite a few people onto the bus system if it's a recent thing.
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Postby RNcyanide » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:11 pm

That would be fantastic!!!
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Postby iamjacobm » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:12 pm

That is a few years old now.  It is only free to and from the school though, not the entire system.


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