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Jukes Ale Works

Postby yellowcolumbia » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:05 pm

Jukes Ale Works, downtown Elkhorn, next to Boyd and Charlie's. Projected to open summer 2017.

https://m.facebook.com/Jukes-Ale-Works-324722610986327/

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Brad » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:51 pm

Any updated on this? I always get worried when I don't see anything, but the sign is falling down...

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Fresh03 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:00 pm

Originally that building was supposed to be a remodel but once they got into it and started doing work, they found it needed to be a complete tear down. So I think they now want to move to a different location and build new or build new at that site. We can talk about it at the Pint some night when we are both around.

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Postby Brad » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:52 pm

Sounds good!
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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby cafereef » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:57 am

yes, unfortunately they wont be moving into there unless they decide to remove the structure :(

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby iamjacobm » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:11 am

Interesting b/c the TIF request wasn't pulled and is in front of the Planning Board.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby cafereef » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:26 pm

The building was demolished today, Jukes is still going in, but just not in the original structure.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:46 am

cafereef wrote:The building was demolished today, Jukes is still going in, but just not in the original structure.


TIF request says the design will be similar to the Blatt by TD Ameritrade with a rooftop patio.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby bigredmed1 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:02 pm

iamjacobm wrote:
cafereef wrote:The building was demolished today, Jukes is still going in, but just not in the original structure.


TIF request says the design will be similar to the Blatt by TD Ameritrade with a rooftop patio.

I beat a dead horse to a crowd who is deaf to that sound, but Tax Increment Financing was supposed to be used to help build things that we needed. Do we honestly need another bar? Esp in that part of old Elkhorn?

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:07 pm

bigredmed1 wrote: I beat a dead horse to a crowd who is deaf to that sound, but Tax Increment Financing was supposed to be used to help build things that we needed. Do we honestly need another bar? Esp in that part of old Elkhorn?


When it comes to TIFS more and more it looks like any cares for HONESTY have been tossed to the wind. Public taxes are being used to pay for a new bar in an area that is just old not blighted. Anyway you want to slice it at the beginning of the day and the end of the day many of these TIFS are nothing but another way for well connected developers to line their pockets with OPM.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Coyote » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:45 pm

I have to disagree. We are talking about a building that could not be remodeled because of structural problems, in an Old Towne district. Wouldn't that building be designated as blighted? And for a TIF it returns a substantial tax return business for the city? For a building that might return $1k in taxes turning into a building that might return $50k in tax revenue? I call that a wise investment.
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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:16 am

Coyote wrote:I have to disagree. We are talking about a building that could not be remodeled because of structural problems


Looks to me like the reason it could not be remodeled is because the owner was senile or something. They could not even patch up a couple of panels on the garage door. That building has been there a hundred years and would of stood for another 100 years if someone with two ounces of sense owned it.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby bigredmed1 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am

Coyote wrote:I have to disagree. We are talking about a building that could not be remodeled because of structural problems, in an Old Towne district. Wouldn't that building be designated as blighted? And for a TIF it returns a substantial tax return business for the city? For a building that might return $1k in taxes turning into a building that might return $50k in tax revenue? I call that a wise investment.

How much of that $50k goes to the county that pays the cost of the TIF? How much of the hoped for tax windfall will be new money? How much is just going to be shifted from one bar to another?

Not a fan of TIF for these reasons.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Linkin5 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:21 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
Coyote wrote:I have to disagree. We are talking about a building that could not be remodeled because of structural problems


Looks to me like the reason it could not be remodeled is because the owner was senile or something.


You own this building?

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:51 pm

Linkin5 wrote:
GrandpaaSmucker wrote:
Coyote wrote:I have to disagree. We are talking about a building that could not be remodeled because of structural problems


Looks to me like the reason it could not be remodeled is because the owner was senile or something.


You own this building?


You do have to admit that garage door appears to not have seen a drop of paint in over 25 years. What could cause a person to be so out of it or neglectful that they could not even slap a coat of paint on that garage door in over 20 years. I'm guessing it was due to being old and senile. Paint is so cheap you cant say they could not afford to paint it. You tell me what was going on there. Maybe they wanted to make that building look so bad so they could get their hands on some gov handouts like someone did is that what you wanted to hear? :lafcry:

You got a keg sitting there in the street and a bread tray laying there. Thats nice and sanitary isnt it. :gun: They dont need TIFs they need to clean up their act.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Busguy2010 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:23 am

Fresh03 wrote:once they got into it and started doing work, they found it needed to be a complete tear down.

Someone didn't do their homework.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby iamjacobm » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:26 pm

Kind of a pain to pull it up on my phone, but I will look up the TIF application and post it here to see their justification. DT Elkhorn was designated a community revitalization area years ago. Both sides seem to be playing by the rules laid out by the state legislature. There is a group that wants more rules written for TIF, not sure how much support they have on the floor though.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby bigredmed1 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:50 pm

iamjacobm wrote:Kind of a pain to pull it up on my phone, but I will look up the TIF application and post it here to see their justification. DT Elkhorn was designated a community revitalization area years ago. Both sides seem to be playing by the rules laid out by the state legislature. There is a group that wants more rules written for TIF, not sure how much support they have on the floor though.

Is there a bill in the hopper?

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby Coyote » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:59 pm

LB95 - Change provisions relating to the Community Development Law and tax-increment financing.
Carryover from 05JAN17, proposed as priority 03JAN18.
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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby bigredmed1 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:51 pm

Coyote wrote:LB95 - Change provisions relating to the Community Development Law and tax-increment financing.
Carryover from 05JAN17, proposed as priority 03JAN18.

Thanks

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:12 pm



That document is damning evidence that my initial suspicions were correct.

Lets start here with what they call Mandatory Criteria #4. Which starts out by saying "The project furthers the objective of the Citys Master Plan by resulting in urban development and furthering job creation." :lol: Yet in other places in this document it says the anticipated annual salary created by this business is 38,000 with 6 jobs! Enough said.

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Re: Jukes Ale Works

Postby bigredmed1 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:43 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:


That document is damning evidence that my initial suspicions were correct.

Lets start here with what they call Mandatory Criteria #4. Which starts out by saying "The project furthers the objective of the Citys Master Plan by resulting in urban development and furthering job creation." :lol: Yet in other places in this document it says the anticipated annual salary created by this business is 38,000 with 6 jobs! Enough said.


Yep, this is a strange entity in deed if 6 jobs only amount to an annual payroll of $38,000. I also find it hard to believe that that small project creates 12 construction jobs. I doubt it creates any jobs. This strikes me as a scam to get our tax money to pay for their bar. Frankly, given that there are not only them, but 4 existing bars within 200 feet of the place, I think this application is misleading to an extent that makes one suspect bad intent.


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