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Development Dream Journal

Postby nebraska » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:10 pm

Just going to throw some ideas out there.

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St Mary's Square is a $40 million overhaul of the intersection of Howard/St. Mary's/17th streets. West-bound traffic can take Jackson street, just to the south. Access to the various parking lots and garages remain intact

Features:
  • Small water fountain, visible along 3 sightlines
  • Increased foliage on the longer sides of the Flatiron building
  • Increased seating area on the north side of the Flatiron building
  • Centered square - a big tree anchored with park benches (the tilted square in the middle)
  • Small collection of playground equipment at the 17th Street north entrance (westside of the OPPD garage)
  • Development potential for lots along Jackson and the MUD parking lot/garage
  • Covered drop off in front of the Magnolia Hotel (the lower of the two yellow arrows)
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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby Garrett » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:13 pm

nebraska wrote:Just going to throw some ideas out there.

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St Mary's Square is a $40 million overhaul of the intersection of Howard/St. Mary's/17th streets. West-bound traffic can take Jackson street, just to the south. Access to the various parking lots and garages remain intact

Features:
  • Small water fountain, visible along 3 sightlines
  • Increased foliage on the longer sides of the Flatiron building
  • Increased seating area on the north side of the Flatiron building
  • Centered square - a big tree anchored with park benches (the titled square in the middle)
  • Small collection of playground equipment at the 17th Street north entrance (westside of the OPPD garage)
  • Development potential for lots along Jackson and the MUD parking lot/garage
  • Covered drop off in front of the Magnolia Hotel (the lower of the two yellow arrows)


I'm impressed. I like it. Omaha needs more small parks/plazas like this in the core as it starts to get denser.
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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby GrandpaaSmucker » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:29 pm

Seems like the Flat Iron kind of sheds some of its cool if those streets are not running right next to it. Those streets are part of it.

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby nebraska » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:41 pm

GrandpaaSmucker wrote:Seems like the Flat Iron kind of sheds some of its cool if those streets are not running right next to it. Those streets are part of it.


None of these designs will be perfect, I'll admit. In this case, I think the wow factor of the Flatiron is better enjoyed at a slower pace, such as pedestrian modes. Drive by and it's cool for maybe 3 seconds.

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:20 pm

This is fun, I wish we had more threads like this.

My spin : First, I think St. Mary's should stay open, but should go down to a two lane, bidirectional road with parallel parking, and wider sidewalks. Do the same with Leavenworth. Get rid of these commuter streets.

Then I think you close off Howard between 17th and 18th and make it a pedestrian mall.

Then have a separate park on the south side of St. Mary's. I just like St. Mary's personally. It's one of the few non-north-south roads in Omaha and it is pretty well used.

I do really like the southwest portion of Downtown in general. It is sparse, untapped and relatively unknown, and I think it has a lot of potential.

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby Busguy2010 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:28 pm

They will probably call it SWEDO

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby Garrett » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:15 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:This is fun, I wish we had more threads like this.

My spin : First, I think St. Mary's should stay open, but should go down to a two lane, bidirectional road with parallel parking, and wider sidewalks. Do the same with Leavenworth. Get rid of these commuter streets.

Then I think you close off Howard between 17th and 18th and make it a pedestrian mall.

Then have a separate park on the south side of St. Mary's. I just like St. Mary's personally. It's one of the few non-north-south roads in Omaha and it is pretty well used.

I do really like the southwest portion of Downtown in general. It is sparse, untapped and relatively unknown, and I think it has a lot of potential.


You could make St. Mary's a shared space road, with limited signage and free crossing.
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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby nebraska » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:35 am

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The Dewey Boardwalk is a literal board-walk along the perimeter of Dewey Park, which is adjacent to the Midtown Crossing area. Estimates for the City to put in the boardwalk and observation platform might be $25 million. Redevelopment of the properties at 33rd and Harney might cost $40 million.

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  • 1/2 mile of boardwalk (note the hill extends down from the boardwalk, thus giving a great view of the park below)
  • observation platform (the blue circle) is elevated about 18' above the park, and covered.
  • stairs leading from the boardwalk down to park level (darker yellow just to the right of the blue circle)
  • eliminate Jackson street from Turner to 34th, and reconfigure how 34th joins Turner Blvd.
  • eliminate Dewey Ave between 33rd and Harney
  • redevelop the Spielbound-Storage facility-house-apartment to now be 4 story building, 7 story building, 3 story storage facility, and 3 new houses
  • Spielbound will enjoy increased space on 2 floors of the 7 story building, and 2 new retail neighbors
  • Storage facility improved loading dock
  • 3 houses now have private, gated entry from 33rd street
  • tear-down and rebuild church

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby GetUrban » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:41 pm

Busguy2010 wrote:This is fun, I wish we had more threads like this.

My spin : First, I think St. Mary's should stay open, but should go down to a two lane, bidirectional road with parallel parking, and wider sidewalks. Do the same with Leavenworth. Get rid of these commuter streets.

Then I think you close off Howard between 17th and 18th and make it a pedestrian mall.

Then have a separate park on the south side of St. Mary's. I just like St. Mary's personally. It's one of the few non-north-south roads in Omaha and it is pretty well used.

I do really like the southwest portion of Downtown in general. It is sparse, untapped and relatively unknown, and I think it has a lot of potential.


I mostly agree. Too much of the original street grid has already been closed-off since the 1960's. We should be opening back up more grid if anything. But the right-of-ways are generally too wide. People always seem to be thinking about circulation on east-west streets while they continue to close-off north-south streets. Keeping 17th open all the way up to north downtown is important. although I'd like to see it become two-way. I'd like to see 15th street opened back up from Capitol to Chicago. Anyway...

I do like the idea of a small park south of the flat iron if St Mary's and Howard can stay open, but maybe narrowed-down a bit.
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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby Busguy2010 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:42 pm

GetUrban wrote:Too much of the original street grid has already been closed-off. We should be opening back up more grid if anything. Keeping 17th open all the way up to north downtown is important. although I'd like to see it become two-way. I'd like to see 15th street opened back up from Capitol to Chicago.


I agree with you on 15th and 17th. What are they key north-south streets downtown? 10th, 13th and 14th are obviously pretty important because they do run all the way through downtown and have interstate access, as well as serving the entertainment district.

Beyond that, none of the roads really go through uninterrupted. 17th would be the one I feel would be the next most important street to focus on. Make it two way and somehow address the interstate on-ramp so we can make that road uninterrupted. I wish 15th was reconnected, but I feel it's importance has diminished and they aren't focusing on that as a main road, as you can see up by Cuming, it is a lot more pedestrian focused with Kiewit.

19th and 20th will probably be pretty important in the future.

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Re: Development Dream Journal

Postby nebraska » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:55 am

Make 24th Street Great Again!


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