TitosBuritoBarn wrote:A loss of 500,000 in the metro?Athomsfere wrote:My guesses:
Metro 445,572
CSA 962,491
LOL, I actually meant Omaha Proper for that first figure.
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TitosBuritoBarn wrote:A loss of 500,000 in the metro?Athomsfere wrote:My guesses:
Metro 445,572
CSA 962,491
I'm with you. I'm hoping for a 12:01est release myself, lol...TitosBuritoBarn wrote:Hopefully they're not accounting for multiple time zones and are just going to wait until midnight in the east. I was up too late waiting for the media to report something the past two days. I'm tired tonight.
For now, look here:Coyote wrote:Nope, not seeing it...
Coyote wrote:So I am guessing
2016 - 961,459
I was off. But those Census estimates always seem to low ball Omaha anyway, lol...Omaha Cowboy wrote:Good day friends..
In about 3 weeks, the US Census will be releasing the latest (2016) metro/CSA population estimates..
What's your prediction? I'm going with 926,500 metro and 963,300 CSA...
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So at this pace, the Omaha metro should reach the 1,000,000 milestone in about 2023.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Omaha MSA- 2015: 915,312.
Omaha MSA- 2016: 924,129.
A very healthy 8,817 gain from 2015 to 2016. Omaha also distanced itself as the 59th largest MSA over Alberquerque NM- Alb at #60- 909,906..
Omaha's MSA has grown 6.8% since 2010 from 865,356 to 924,129 adding 58,773 in the 6 years since the 2010 census..
This is a start. More info to follow. If anyone gets the CSA info and other related Midwest metro area numbers, feel free to post ...
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I'd say either 2023 or 2024. The CSA should hit the 1 million mark either 2020 or 2021...skinzfan23 wrote:So at this pace, the Omaha metro should reach the 1,000,000 milestone in about 2023.Omaha Cowboy wrote:Omaha MSA- 2015: 915,312.
Omaha MSA- 2016: 924,129.
A very healthy 8,817 gain from 2015 to 2016. Omaha also distanced itself as the 59th largest MSA over Alberquerque NM- Alb at #60- 909,906..
Omaha's MSA has grown 6.8% since 2010 from 865,356 to 924,129 adding 58,773 in the 6 years since the 2010 census..
This is a start. More info to follow. If anyone gets the CSA info and other related Midwest metro area numbers, feel free to post ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Yep. The state of NE overall is definitely holding its own ...skinzfan23 wrote:Noticed that NE actually gained more people than IA since the 2015 est (13,351 vs 12,696) and of course increase in % (.7% vs .4%).
Agreed. We are not a city that is set up for a large retiree migration. However, we are doing well for natural increases, millenial growth and international migration.TitosBuritoBarn wrote:It appears that a lot of people around the country are retiring. Many of the fastest growing metros had negative natural increase numbers, which implies to me that most of the people moving there are coming to live out their final years.
Omaha has certainly maintaned a healthy, steady growth rate for the past 16 years. The Omaha metro is currently on pace to grow by 11% this decade which matches its growth rate last decade. The metropolitan area has added nearly 60,000 residents since 2010.. That growth number should eclipse 100,000 by the official 2020 Census..skinzfan23 wrote:Wow, I am surprised by that. I know that a lot of the bigger metros have stagnant growth in the midwest though. Like we have always said, Omaha has seen slow and steady growth, and that is always welcome news. Much rather see that than huge spikes in population followed by housing or job shortage crisis.
Seems like a continuation of people moving from rural areas to the bigger cities. I'm sure this trend will continue.nativeomahan wrote:I note that of all Midwest metros, Des Moines is absolutely killing it. They are growing by way more actual people per year than Omaha, and at about a 40% faster growth rate than Omaha. All while Iowa as a state stagnates, as does most of Nebraska.
Both Omaha and Des Moines are growing at a noticeably faster clip than KC.
And Iowa has a much larger inventory of small cities and large towns that people would be moving from.HR Paperstacks wrote:Seems like a continuation of people moving from rural areas to the bigger cities. I'm sure this trend will continue.nativeomahan wrote:I note that of all Midwest metros, Des Moines is absolutely killing it. They are growing by way more actual people per year than Omaha, and at about a 40% faster growth rate than Omaha. All while Iowa as a state stagnates, as does most of Nebraska.
Both Omaha and Des Moines are growing at a noticeably faster clip than KC.
Omaha is doing quite well growth wise as evidenced by the numbers. At it relates to Des Moines, it also helps they are the state capital, centrally located within their state for easier "outstate" assesibility..and don't seem to have as much of the "anti Big city urban bias" Omaha still suffers a bit from here in Nebraska. A rural Nebraskan would just as likely (if not more so) choose to move to Lincoln rather than Omaha. It seems a different mindset in Iowa to an extent..as a move to Des Moines would be the next natural progression..buildomaha wrote:And Iowa has a much larger inventory of small cities and large towns that people would be moving from.HR Paperstacks wrote:Seems like a continuation of people moving from rural areas to the bigger cities. I'm sure this trend will continue.nativeomahan wrote:Both Omaha and Des Moines are growing at a noticeably faster clip than KC.
That's 960,886 according to the 2016 Omaha CSA estimate, lol..MTO wrote:How can tertiary communities like Valparaiso, Telbasta, Herman, Dunlap etc be considered part of the metro while closer Fremont not be. There's >952,069 in the area!!
Yes. I thought it was all on a percentage of residents who commute to work, not proximity...TitosBuritoBarn wrote:It'll all depend on the commuting numbers, not just proximity alone. For example, the San Francisco-Oakland and the San Jose metropolitan areas are contiguous - there is no buffer of undeveloped land between the two. And yet they are separated.
The US Census goes with the commuting numbers only..Coyote wrote:Yes. I thought it was all on a percentage of residents who commute to work, not proximity...TitosBuritoBarn wrote:It'll all depend on the commuting numbers, not just proximity alone. For example, the San Francisco-Oakland and the San Jose metropolitan areas are contiguous - there is no buffer of undeveloped land between the two. And yet they are separated.
It also seems to me that there is a trajectory change at around 1-1.5 million people for most metros. Completely a feeling, but it seems like when a city / metro hits that range there is a definite growth rate jump, at least for a while.Omaha Cowboy wrote: I've always contended and will stand by the eventual Omaha/Lincoln CSA (It might take a decade to happen..but mark my words- it will)..I know it's on another level, but look at the Dallas/Ft Worth CSA now including counties in southern Oklahoma nearly 100+ miles away.. Sheesh...
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Omaha Cowboy wrote:That's 960,886 according to the 2016 Omaha CSA estimate, lol..MTO wrote:How can tertiary communities like Valparaiso, Telbasta, Herman, Dunlap etc be considered part of the metro while closer Fremont not be. There's >952,069 in the area!!
But I think you're on to something. it's very possible the US Census could re-define the Omaha MSA to include Dodge county..
I also think it's possible for a re-defined CSA combining Omaha-Lincoln within the next 5-10 years. I think this is only a matter of time...
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Actually, you are incorrect. The US Census adjusted the 2015 Omaha CSA estimate to 950,944, so the CSA added 9,942 from 2015-to-2016.. The Omaha CSA is on pace to hit the 1 million mark by 2020.. Or be really REALLY close...MTO wrote:Omaha Cowboy wrote:That's 960,886 according to the 2016 Omaha CSA estimate, lol..MTO wrote:How can tertiary communities like Valparaiso, Telbasta, Herman, Dunlap etc be considered part of the metro while closer Fremont not be. There's >952,069 in the area!!
But I think you're on to something. it's very possible the US Census could re-define the Omaha MSA to include Dodge county..
I also think it's possible for a re-defined CSA combining Omaha-Lincoln within the next 5-10 years. I think this is only a matter of time...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Wait so the CSA only added 8,817 in a year, there's no way the CSA will hit 1 million by 2020. That also means our growth rate (Combined) has slowed. It was averaging almost 10,000 between 2010 and 2015 that really sucks.
No theories that I am aware of, but anecdotally there appears to be a connection between population growth (or certain demographic population growth) and awareness of the city. Outside circles like ours, people are pretty ignorant of population. You'll often see people try to make the case that Omaha should get a pro-sports team because the city population is larger than the city population of Miami, St. Louis, Salt Lake City, etc. A lady I used to work with in Omaha said she missed the big city life...of Madison, Wisconsin (which currently has 300,000 fewer inhabitants in its metro). Places like Birmingham, AL, Tucson, AZ, Hartford, CT, Richmond, VA, and Louisville, KY (among others) are all in the 1-1.5 million metro realm, but they're not known for their population growth or for being cosmopolitan urban areas. So, from what I can tell, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.Athomsfere wrote:It also seems to me that there is a trajectory change at around 1-1.5 million people for most metros. Completely a feeling, but it seems like when a city / metro hits that range there is a definite growth rate jump, at least for a while.Omaha Cowboy wrote: I've always contended and will stand by the eventual Omaha/Lincoln CSA (It might take a decade to happen..but mark my words- it will)..I know it's on another level, but look at the Dallas/Ft Worth CSA now including counties in southern Oklahoma nearly 100+ miles away.. Sheesh...
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Can anyone confirm or deny? Are there any studies of urban planning theories used for something like population size driven immigration?
LOL.. Well, hopefully you educated her on the error of her ways .. Sometimes ignorance isn't always bliss ...TitosBuritoBarn wrote:A lady I used to work with in Omaha said she missed the big city life...of Madison, Wisconsin (which currently has 300,000 fewer inhabitants in its metro).
Like Titos, I can't confirm or deny that one.. But I get the same sense you do.. Perhaps the annual US Census "lowball" of Omaha's metro estimate will change once we hit/surpass the 1 million population mark...Athomsfere wrote:It also seems to me that there is a trajectory change at around 1-1.5 million people for most metros. Completely a feeling, but it seems like when a city / metro hits that range there is a definite growth rate jump, at least for a while.Omaha Cowboy wrote: I've always contended and will stand by the eventual Omaha/Lincoln CSA (It might take a decade to happen..but mark my words- it will)..I know it's on another level, but look at the Dallas/Ft Worth CSA now including counties in southern Oklahoma nearly 100+ miles away.. Sheesh...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Can anyone confirm or deny? Are there any studies of urban planning theories used for something like population size driven immigration?