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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:30 pm

It's really unfortunate that it will only be one panda.
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Postby eomaha » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:45 pm

I highly doubt Omaha will have only one panda (does any zoo in the nation have just one?). One of the major motivations for these programs is captive breeding... and HDZ is a world leader... they sure as heck aren't going to pass up on the chance to add to the population.

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Postby TechnicalDisaster » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:02 pm

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I highly doubt Omaha will have only one panda (does any zoo in the nation have just one?). One of the major motivations for these programs is captive breeding... and HDZ is a world leader... they sure as heck aren't going to pass up on the chance to add to the population.


Isn't the HDZ also a world leader of artificial insemination for Tigers? That might be part of the motivation of the Chinese government for loaning the HDZ a Panda over another zoo.
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Postby the1wags » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:43 pm

bradley414 wrote:?
I highly doubt Omaha will have only one panda (does any zoo in the nation have just one?). One of the major motivations for these programs is captive breeding... and HDZ is a world leader... they sure as heck aren't going to pass up on the chance to add to the population.


Isn't the HDZ also a world leader of artificial insemination for Tigers? That might be part of the motivation of the Chinese government for loaning the HDZ a Panda over another zoo.


A pair of Pandas would be cool but with one female and HDZ AI work, a panda pregnancy and cub would be a even bigger draw. Can't wait to hear the news. :)

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Postby eomaha » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:21 pm

KETV story: http://www.ketv.com/news/6287063/detail ... a&psp=news

A panda symposium brought a couple of dozen experts from around the world to HDZ to discuss species preservation.

One of those in attendance was the head of the Office of Giant Panda Conservation, Dr. Don Lindburg who is with the San Diego Zoo.

I think this is one of the best-kept secrets in all of the zoo world and beyond," said Dr. Don Lindburg, with the San Diego Zoo. "It's very clever. It really makes you feel like you're out in the wild.
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Lindburg added, Henry Doorly would be a good choice because of its research facilities and its strong background in design.


Sounds like this is still going to take a while...

Simmons said Omaha may only be a couple of years away from getting a decision. The zoo has already started drawing plans for a building, but there's plenty more to do.

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Postby Coyote » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:02 am

From the same conference (Giant Panda Species Survival Plan's annual meeting):

Omaha zoo could be 'next in line' for giant pandas

Omaha World Herald wrote:They heard a proposal from the University of Nebraska's Kiewit Institute that could have an impact on Omaha's panda quest, said zoo director Dr. Lee Simmons. The project would use computer-based technology linked with a satellite to monitor giant panda habitat in real time over the Internet.


Omaha World Herald wrote:The proposed technology could provide temperature and humidity readings, live video and audio, overhead photography and digital still photographs on the ground. The zoo could use the technology to assist the Chinese in managing habitat for the giant pandas.
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Postby Coyote » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:27 pm

San Diego, 3 other zoos want to pay China less for renting the animals


The San Diego Zoo may have the hottest panda program in the United States, but it says it cannot continue to pay $1 million a year to rent the black-and-white fur balls from China.

The zoo is among four nationwide that have told China they want to renegotiate the fee when their contracts are up, starting in 2008.

“There have been serious discussions by representatives of the four zoos to ask if there are ways that the price of keeping pandas can be negotiated downward,” said Don Lindburg, head of San Diego's Giant Panda Conservation Division.


Competition may be looming for the four American zoos in their back yards.

Zoos in Oakland and Omaha, Neb., have been pursuing pandas for several years. A recent story in the Omaha World-Herald suggested the city is next in line for pandas if San Diego doesn't renew its contract.

Towne acknowledged the competition.

“That's part of my job, to make sure we don't stab each other in the back,” Towne said. “China is very astute. They are world traders, and they've got a willing buyer out there.”

But a reshuffling of pandas among U.S. zoos may not be best for the endangered bears, he said. “Having four or five institutions drop out and then have two new ones step in is not necessarily the answer,” Towne said.

The San Diego Zoo has amassed considerable expertise in panda breeding, which a zoo new to pandas would not have.
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Postby adam186 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:17 am

Omaha zoo group in D.C. to 'adopt' panda in China


Representatives from Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo are in Washington, D.C., today to meet with Chinese officials and symbolically adopt a giant panda cub.

The panda will continue to live in China.

The "adoption" consists of donating funds to support Chinese efforts to preserve and protect pandas, an endangered species. The amount of the donation will be announced today at a ceremony in the Chinese Embassy.

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Postby adam186 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:18 am

Is this really a rumor anymore?

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Postby MTO » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:22 am

Yeah nothing has come out about it lately WTD?
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Postby eomaha » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:24 am

The process takes a long, Long, LONG... time.

Although it may be expedited somewhat by San Diego Zoo apparently whining about the 'rental' fees... wanting to re-negotiate.

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Postby Asten » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:57 am

jhuston wrote:The process takes a long, Long, LONG... time.

Although it may be expedited somewhat by San Diego Zoo apparently whining about the 'rental' fees... wanting to re-negotiate.


I've been to Beijing twice. I've learned a few things about the Chinese. First off, they'll eat dang near anything. Secondly, the entire country and culture works on a relationship and favors system. Someone in my company once shipped an electronics component to china by himself, and it took 9 weeks to clear customs. While waiting, he shipped another part through someone in our corporate shipping (versus our division) who had a working relationship and got it through in a day.

It's so ingrained that it's happening all the time all around and an outsider might not even notice. And that's just for little things. Big things like a Panda... well, as Jeff said. it's a long process of building a relationship and currying favors.

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:47 am

Wow, it sounds like the Chinese won't give anyone a panda unless you BLEEP their BLEEPs and call them the next day.

It's nice that when we do get the ONE panda (sad...that the panda has to live in isolation from the rest of its species) it will be such an honor.
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Postby Uffda » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:53 am

expedited somewhat by San Diego Zoo apparently whining about the 'rental' fees... wanting to re-negotiate.



This was in the news earlier in March

Giant pandas are a popular zoo attraction in the United States. But the high cost to "rent" the black-and-white bears from China may force some zoos to close their exhibits. Today zoos in Atlanta, Georgia; Memphis, Tennessee; San Diego, California; and Washington, D.C., rent pandas for display and research.


The loan agreements, most spanning ten years, have become a financial headache for the nation's zoos.

"It's tough for a zoological institution like ours, or the other three zoos [with pandas in the U.S.], to sustain that level of spending indefinitely," said Dennis Kelly, chief executive of Zoo Atlanta.

Both Zoo Atlanta and the San Diego Zoo's panda exhibits lose money.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... andas.html

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Postby Raraavis » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:21 am

I am just going to say it again. The money would be better spent on something else. 1 million a year is a big drain on the zoo. They should spend that money on a new exhibit bigger and better than anything they have built before. Let the other zoos lose money on Pandas, I thought HDZ was smarter then that.

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Postby loyalomahan » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:36 am

I believe Walter Scott and others will be underwriting much of the cost. The zoo can afford it, and the prestige it will bring is significant.

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Postby MTO » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:40 am

Im pretty sure its worth it for th zoo. And I doubt we will stop getting new things after we land the bears.
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Postby adam186 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:39 am

No offense Raraavis, but I think they know a little more about operating a zoo than you or I. I'm sure they researched the impact it would have on the zoo and took well into account the cost. They know what they are getting into.

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Postby Uffda » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:45 pm

My guess is the other 4 zoos also knew what they were getting into with the Pand, but have found out that the costs have started to outweigh the benefits, which is one reason they are trying to renegotiate with China.

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Postby the1wags » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:50 pm

I know its alot of coin to bring the panda here, and I'm sure the zoo has figured in the inital wave of people and the following decline, especially with the other zoos financial concerns in the news. With Mr. Scott and others chipping in, I'm sure they are ready to move forward with this. Bring on the pandas! :D

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Postby Finn » Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:09 pm

Good point Uffda. Out here in DC, ther were lines and lines each Spring to see if the two pandas would fornicate (Give them some privacy - no wonder nothing happened the first few years!). Then, the pregnancy brought crowds, then the birth of the cub brought crowds. Now, the novelty has somewhat worn off and it has been hard to justify the price.

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Postby loyalomahan » Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:20 pm

I understand many of you here routinely travel between these other cities and Omaha in your big hummers and suv's, so these pandas are apparently old news. But I suspect there is an as yet untapped number of more typical midwesterners who are just waiting to get a chance to see these animals in Omaha, and HDZ's loyal membership bearing patrons like to see these things over and over again)

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Postby Finn » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:12 pm

:roll:

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Postby adam186 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:22 pm

I'll drive a Suburban hundreds of miles to see a pink dancing elephant.
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Postby Asten » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:39 pm

the1wags wrote:I know its alot of coin to bring the panda here, and I'm sure the zoo has figured in the inital wave of people and the following decline, especially with the other zoos financial concerns in the news. With Mr. Scott and others chipping in, I'm sure they are ready to move forward with this. Bring on the pandas! :D


I'm kind of curious as to the operating cash flow of HDZ... Some zoos require substantial money just to keep day to day operations... I suspect HDZ isn't having that problem, though.

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adam186 wrote:I'll drive a Suburban hundreds of miles to see a pink dancing elephant.
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Postby adam186 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:32 pm

^Couldn't find a panda. Kinda like my dicapitating monkey instead of beating a dead horse.

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MTO wrote:
adam186 wrote:I'll drive a Suburban hundreds of miles to see a pink dancing elephant.
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Anything to use a cute new emoticon.


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Postby Uffda » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:35 am

in your big hummers and suv's


Hmmmm.... i drive a 96 toyota RAV4 with 154000 miles on it ..... never seen a real live panda in my life :roll:

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Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:45 am

Adopting Chinese Pandas



Washington Post wrote:"Who doesn't love pandas?" Lee Simmons , the director of the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha, exclaimed Wednesday in Washington after presenting the Chinese ambassador, Zhou Wenzhong , with a check for $35,000 to support a panda adoption program.

Simmons said the money would go for the "adoption" and care of Sue Sue, a panda born Aug. 16 to XiXi at the Wolong Nature Reserve in China. Sue Sue and XiXi will remain in China, Simmons said.

"Sue Sue is really cute right now and weighs about 43-44 pounds," he said, adding that the adoption project is just one way to support conservation efforts in China.

"There have been a number of zoos and individuals who have adopted pandas who will never come to the United States," he said. "We would just love to have more pandas, and we have also been collaborating with the Chinese for the past eight years on the preservation of South China tigers."

Simmons, who was accompanied by Walter Scott , the zoo's chairman of the board, said the Henry Doorly Zoo was also working with Chinese authorities on bamboo cultivation and reforestation. "There are studies underway on the special nutritional aspects of bamboo. The health of the bamboo forest in the panda habitat is very important, and we have a rare plant lab at the Omaha zoo," he said.

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Baby Sue Sue, whose care is funded by an American zoo in Nebraska, is cradled by mother XiXi at China's Wolong Nature Reserve. (Wolong Nature Reserve)
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Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:51 am

Oh yeah - the official Panda Monium graphic:

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Postby adam186 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:55 am

^Way better than my dancing pink elephant.Image :lol:

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Postby Swift » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:23 am

PBS showed a special on Pandas tonight. Turns out they're actually omnivorous.

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Postby Big E » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:19 am

Does that mean they see me when I'm sleeping, like Santa and Jesus?

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Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:49 am

Big E wrote:Does that mean they see me when I'm sleeping, like Santa and Jesus?


No silly. It means when you go to the Omni theater you can see them. :roll:
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Postby Coyote » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:13 pm

Zoo hopes shared bamboo research aids panda bid

Omaha World Herald wrote:Zoo Director Lee Simmons said Thursday the zoo's rare-plant lab has studied the micro-propagation of bamboo, pandas' primary food. Its work caught the attention of conservationists in the Wolong Nature Reserve in China. The Chinese asked to send experts from Wolong to study the Omaha zoo's research, which may help the reserve grow new bamboo stands for pandas to eat. "We said yes," Simmons said. "Collaborative conservation is what it's all about." No timetable has been set for the visit. The Chinese are interested because the panda population in Wolong has been "exploding" due to habitat preservation and other scientific work at the four U.S. zoos with giant pandas, Simmons said.
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Postby Swift » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:24 am

Big E wrote:Does that mean they see me when I'm sleeping, like Santa and Jesus?

;)

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Or it means that pandas are even more of an evolutionary joke. Too lazy to screw, and they eat only dessert.

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Postby Brad » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:16 am

My source at the Zoo tells me that Doc basically said that if China wants us to have pandas they can come talk to us, we are not wasting any more resources on them.  He said that the zoo has way too many other important things going on where a panda exhibit is just not worth the work.

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