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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby skinzfan23 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:36 pm

Wow I thought that was a joke at first. Wonder why they would scrap the plans this late in the process. Maybe they will build on the old UP property or on the land where the Civic is. I thought their lease was ending at their current building, you would think either way they have to move quickly.

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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby skinzfan23 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:40 pm

Actually according to the article, they aren't interested in downtown anymore. Hopefully we don't end up with some crappy 5 story suburban office building.

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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Linkin5 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:42 pm

Man, HDR you look like a f*cking joke right now.

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Postby skinzfan23 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:45 pm

Linkin5 wrote:Man, HDR you look like a f*cking joke right now.

that's what I was thinking. gotta believe they spent quite a bit of time money and other resources to get as far as they did, only to turn away. I wonder if the Holland Center had anything to do with this.

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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Linkin5 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:46 pm

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Linkin5 wrote:Man, HDR you look like a f*cking joke right now.

that's what I was thinking. gotta believe they spent quite a bit of time money and other resources to get as far as they did, only to turn away. I wonder if the Holland Center had anything to do with this.


It's exactly what had to do with this, these snakes are all connected and when they didn't get what they wanted they dropped all plans.

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Postby MTO » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:50 pm

Well at least you guys still have your precious iron facade.
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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby skinzfan23 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:53 pm

Maybe they could build on Zone 6 in Aksarben Village.

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Postby Coyote » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:56 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:Maybe they could build on Zone 6 in Aksarben Village.


The person who predicted this in the rumor thread says Boystown
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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:00 pm

The annonymous poster who predicted this in the Rumors Section is a real Nostradomous.. HDR- Boys Town here we come..

What a corporate d!ck move :sly: ...

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Postby skinzfan23 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:00 pm

Wow, so we probably will end up with a bunch of 5-6 story buildings then.

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Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Greg S » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:02 pm

Is Lonegran (not sure on spelling) Lake still available? I remember that was Con Agra's other option when the built downtown.

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Postby frankt » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:09 pm

This entire process from start to finish was gross.

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Postby MadMartin8 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:43 pm

Well, at least we still have some old 1 storey brick buildings.
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Re: Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Spatial77 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:44 pm

My prediction - Rosemary's Baby! Would be ironic if they build their HQ on Leo Daly's home site. This move really makes HDR look incompetent. The planning firm couldn't even handle their own world headquarters. :what:
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Postby MadMartin8 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:45 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:Wow I thought that was a joke at first. Wonder why they would scrap the plans this late in the process. Maybe they will build on the old UP property or on the land where the Civic is. I thought their lease was ending at their current building, you would think either way they have to move quickly.



They're not going to build downtown. The last real shot of a corporate high rise in Downtown Omaha is gone.
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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:58 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:Wow, so we probably will end up with a bunch of 5-6 story buildings then.


I think you're correct. All along the rolling countryside of Boys Town :roll: ..

It's hard to even remain positive about them announcing they plan to stay in the Omaha metro.. Decommitting from Downtown Omaha in the way a sophomoric, 5 star football recruit AFTER announcing to everyone he'll play for the Huskers (or whoever) changes his mind on signing day is bad form...Very BAD form..

In this case, I'd say with pretty solid accuracy- children will be children..

Oh well, at least the Capitol District project is off the ground...

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Re: Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby GetUrban » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:13 pm

Wow, what a shock! Wimps! HDR is supposed to be full of cutting-edge, innovative, problem-solving, design geniuses. So much for that. Done-in by parking again. I'm sure cost was a factor too.

Unfortunately, this will set another bad precedent and give credence to those who say you have to cave into any and all corporate demands, no matter what.
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Postby iamjacobm » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:24 pm

I think the thing to follow here is if the city blights another area for HDR like they did for TDA. $21 million is a lot of cheddar to leave on the table for HDR if they don't go into a current TIF zone.

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Re: Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby bmt » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:55 pm

Well this is very disappointing, but not really that surprising. I hope we learn the truth behind everything that has happened, but I have a feeling we will never know. :roll: HDR must not really care about being close to the airport if they plan to move further west. :shrug:

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Postby Tornado » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:09 pm

Wow, I guess this just proves nothing in the downtown Omaha development world is a for sure bet. We just can't catch a break when it comes to any height downtown. Union Pacific builds shorter than they needed in response to a terrorist attack in New York, TD Ameritrade builds out West along a creek, Pacific Life builds a new suburban style low rise in midtown, Bluecross Blueshield builds a low-mid rise in midtown, Wallstreet tower doesn't even come close to breaking ground, and the city can't even f*cking figure out how to tear the civic down. Maybe we'll get the surprise of our lives and the Lanoha development will actually get built, but i doubt it. This was our last chance for a high rise and now all we're going to get is a 4 story Pacific Life building with an HDR sign on the top out on West Dodge. For all the flack Gavilon received about their building, at least they actually built the dang thing and brought jobs downtown in an attractive building. I can't see myself ever stepping foot into the Holland Center again.
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Re: New HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby S33 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:37 pm

MadMartin8 wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:Wow I thought that was a joke at first. Wonder why they would scrap the plans this late in the process. Maybe they will build on the old UP property or on the land where the Civic is. I thought their lease was ending at their current building, you would think either way they have to move quickly.



They're not going to build downtown. The last real shot of a corporate high rise in Downtown Omaha is gone.

They already proposed their uninspiring, squatty mid-rise building, so downtown was never going to get a high rise from them at all.
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Postby choke » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:43 pm

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skinzfan23 wrote:Wow, so we probably will end up with a bunch of 5-6 story buildings then.


I think you're correct. All along the rolling countryside of Boys Town :roll: ..

It's hard to even remain positive about them announcing they plan to stay in the Omaha metro.. Decommitting from Downtown Omaha in the way a sophomoric, 5 star football recruit AFTER announcing to everyone he'll play for the Huskers (or whoever) changes his mind on signing day is bad form...Very BAD form..

In this case, I'd say with pretty solid accuracy- children will be children..

Oh well, at least the Capitol District project is off the ground...

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I bet Shamrock dropped a load in their pants when they heard this. They were pretty excited about HDR downtown. That would have been a lot of people looking for lunch and out-of-town HDR employees staying at the Marriott. BTW, I say it ends up being Sterling Ridge. Also, Hal Daub would have gotten this done.
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Postby Tornado » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:46 pm

So true!!

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Postby RockHarbor » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:48 pm

Wow...change of plans. As much as I'm surprised and a bit disappointed maybe, I feel things can happen for a reason. As much as I liked the new modern & high-tech & sleek-looking building that was revealed (as HDR does great work), I still don't want Omaha to settle for anything that may be "mediocre" in downtown -- or let our limited downtown slots fill-in with shorter buildings the size & shape of the DoubleTree (or Ameritrade). Let our suburbs have more mediocre (although I have to say, the FNB Business Park has some great suburban buildings). Are we going to become a Phoenix, or Salt Lake, or Portland, where the rule is always "short?" Those towns' skylines look good that way, because there are prolific low hills & mountain chains nearby. But, not here...on the plains. I want people to look at our new buildings and say "Wow...that's gorgeous." I think that in Minneapolis. I think our buildings need to be more thoughtful. That's the word I'm thinking of.

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Postby Hawkeye » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:02 pm

Are you mutha effin' kidding me?!?!?

Right after I FINALLY get on the positivity train THIS happens?!? S'rsly!!??!!

HDR is now LOL.
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Postby Tornado » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:04 pm

I disagree with the limited downtown slots. Omaha has open lots all over the place downtown. Also, Ameritrade and Double Tree buildings would both be taller than anything we could possibly dream of building right now downtown. I'd be ecstatic to have something like the Ameritrade building downtown. Do we want to have every lot filled with 4 story buildings. NO, but we shouldn't be willing to just blow off losing 200ft buildings because something better might come along. Newsflash, there not coming....

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Tornado wrote:I disagree with the limited downtown slots. Omaha has open lots all over the place downtown. Also, Ameritrade and Double Tree buildings would both be taller than anything we could possibly dream of building right now downtown. I'd be ecstatic to have something like the Ameritrade building downtown. Do we want to have every lot filled with 4 story buildings. NO, but we shouldn't be willing to just blow off losing 200ft buildings because something better might come along. Newsflash, there not coming....


No, they are not coming. The old UP site has been empty for years (where HDR should've built instead of trying to take land that OPA did not want to get rid of in the first place). And TD Ameritrade would have been right up there with the FNB building if it was built straight up and not sprawling. That's the building that should have went downtown right by the ballpark.

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Postby bmt » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:23 pm

If HDR, which has ties to OPA, can't make it work on that lot, I really do not think we will see anything substantial there. I hope OPA does not decide to build a parking garage there.

As for where HDR ends up, I wonder if there is any chance they end up in the Waitt Plaza since it is designed by them.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:33 pm

I really shutter at all these missed opportunities. Just think if you take all these recent mid-rises and put them on downtown blocks WITH their Parking garages and boom, Omaha's skyline is thriving and full.

Stand next to TD Ameritrade or BCBS and consider cramming all that on two downtown blocks right next to each other :shock:

All the other smaller mid-rises are a little less substantial, but now, with HDR out, that's another coulda, woulda, shoulda.

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Re: Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby Spatial77 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:37 pm

We have two simultaneous discussions going on here and in Rumors... Soon we will have three with one going on in Suburban Omaha Development. On the public relations end this fiasco is a major FAIL :koko:
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Postby RockHarbor » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:42 pm

Tornado wrote:I disagree with the limited downtown slots. Omaha has open lots all over the place downtown. Also, Ameritrade and Double Tree buildings would both be taller than anything we could possibly dream of building right now downtown. I'd be ecstatic to have something like the Ameritrade building downtown. Do we want to have every lot filled with 4 story buildings. NO, but we shouldn't be willing to just blow off losing 200ft buildings because something better might come along. Newsflash, there not coming....


I agree that 200 feet buildings are more exciting than nothing, and I was totally fine with HDR's proposed building being built down there (as it was sleek & modern and looked like it would fit well in an urban setting), but still, I don't want our whole downtown to have all these shorter buildings that could be built in more centralized urban villages (like Aksarben) or out in suburban office parks (like Ameritrade was).

I think that Ameritrade building design could fit downtown nicely in many ways, because there's something crisp & sharp & square & urban-looking about it, like it would fit just right onto a grid of streets downtown well. To me, it is a little too square & "urban looking" for Old Mill. The One Pacific Place buildings have more of a sleek, mirrored-glass, suburban "freeway architecture" appearance, imo, so I think those types of buildings suit that area better. Still, I do like seeing a big suburban building in central Omaha now, driving on I-680. I hope to see more go up.

I just don't want to see buildings that are "unworthy of downtown" put in Downtown Omaha. For example, Pacific Life's new building is very sharp, and I love it, but it is worthy of Aksarben or Old Mill, not quite worthy of Downtown Omaha, IMO. Same in Denver: Denver's Tech Center has a lot of beautiful buildings, but they aren't quite worthy of Downtown Denver, IMO.

I don't feel there are a ton of slots down there. To me, it is a tricky game of retaining the old (as much as we can), and welcoming the new. It's a delicate balance, IMO.
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Postby MTO » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:57 pm

Well it's going to be a joy watching them scramble down the next paths they select.
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Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:30 pm

I'm really disappointed about this. I really want to see downtown development boom. If only HDR and TDA built down there. I do like TDA being next to the trail/creek so I can take walks on it in the middle of the day. But being downtown would have been so much cooler.

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Postby RockHarbor » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:57 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:I'm really disappointed about this. I really want to see downtown development boom. If only HDR and TDA built down there. I do like TDA being next to the trail/creek so I can take walks on it in the middle of the day. But being downtown would have been so much cooler.


I just think this: That lot right next to the new Capitol District is going to be ONE GREAT LOT to have a company's new building on, because of the easy access to that new downtown hot spot -- and not too far from the Gene Leahy Mall & Old Market. I would think a lot of companies would want to be specifically right there.

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Postby Tornado » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 pm

Yes, but nothing will ever get built on this (one great lot) because OPA will never, ever sell it. If they couldn't finalize a deal with HDR, who designed their own building, then i can't see them ever parting ways with their precious city block parking lot. This lot will continue to be a vast concrete lot for years to come.

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Postby Busguy2010 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:34 pm

Tornado wrote:Yes, but nothing will ever get built on this (one great lot) because OPA will never, ever sell it. If they couldn't finalize a deal with HDR, who designed their own building, then i can't see them ever parting ways with their precious city block parking lot. This lot will continue to be a vast concrete lot for years to come.


They must make a lot of money off that lot. They had to have been thinking "We can make more money selling parking spots in X amount of years than we can make permanently selling the lot for X amount of dollars". Can't blame em

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skinzfan23 wrote:Wow, so we probably will end up with a bunch of 5-6 story buildings then.


I think you're correct. All along the rolling countryside of Boys Town :roll: ..

It's hard to even remain positive about them announcing they plan to stay in the Omaha metro.. Decommitting from Downtown Omaha in the way a sophomoric, 5 star football recruit AFTER announcing to everyone he'll play for the Huskers (or whoever) changes his mind on signing day is bad form...Very BAD form..

In this case, I'd say with pretty solid accuracy- children will be children..

Oh well, at least the Capitol District project is off the ground...

Ciao..LiO...Peace


I bet Shamrock dropped a load in their pants when they heard this. They were pretty excited about HDR downtown. That would have been a lot of people looking for lunch and out-of-town HDR employees staying at the Marriott. BTW, I say it ends up being Sterling Ridge. Also, Hal Daub would have gotten this done.


The thing about Hal is he was a visionary. Amongst his flaws (and who of us doesn't have them), Daub was exactly the mayor Omaha needed back in the mid 90's to early 2000's.. The only shame, is he lost his bid to Fahey for a 3rd term. Honestly, I'm still sick over the opportunities missed due to the Fahey victory in 2001.. But I digress.. I agree..under Daub's leadership, I doubt the sh!t HDR pulled yesterday would have happened. Who knows. But it's my gut feeling this building would have gotten done under a Daub administration at city hall..

What are we left with after this fresh HDR turd load? I dunno.. I'll say this- THANK GOODNESS the Capitol District project got off the ground with no turning back. If we can hang our hats on something, at least we have that..

And finally, I said this in the other thread..moving forward- I will not allow myself to be conned into believing ANY dt Omaha high rise/mid rise announcement released to the media, until I see tower cranes, concrete and steel at the site..PERIOD..

Oh and Finally, Finally-

Ride off to your suburban Omaha HQ sunset HDR.. And don't let the door hit you in the arse as you slither away from downtown Omaha...

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Re: Downtown HDR Corporate Headquarters

Postby edsas » Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:42 am

I heard Stothert on KFAB this morning. It sounds like LOT B in downtown is very much in play for HDR. It was one of 12 sites the city initially proposed to HDR. The issue with the initial site appears to be that HDR doesn't want the city to acquire any property on its behalf through imminent domain.

Anyway, it blows that groundbreaking for this isn't going to happen this summer as discussed, but the HQ is not a dead project. I'm not sure why the hasty move to Projects Never Built. By all accounts, this project is going forward but at a different location. I say move it back to development until the new site is chosen. If it's downtown, great. The thread stays as is. If it's out by Old Mill or Boys Town, then move it to suburbs. But why put it here when "never built" is not an accurate reflection of the project's status?

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Postby Omababe » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:06 am

Another Mint Monstrosity in the flood plain, maybe?


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