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Postby nebport5 » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:18 pm

anyone remeber the original hilton design that was supposed to pay homage to the Old Market, but it was decided that it was too unlike the Qwest Center design? In the absence of a marriott, I liked that one. anyone still have a picture of it?

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Postby Finn » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:30 pm

I got it today.

And for the record, I agree the Marriott looked better! I don't know if I ever saw the original design that nebport is referencing. Does anyone have a pic?

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Postby nebport5 » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:22 pm

it was an antiquated red brick design if I remember right.

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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:43 am

The original design of the Hilton was supposed to fit with the architecture found in the Old Market (an old fashioned red brick rectangular design)..The problem was, it sat right next to (and completely clashed with) the planned futuristic design of the Qwest Center..Of course not located in the Old Market..

Once this discrepancy in design concern was brought to Fahey's attention by the majority of the City Council, a new design was developed to 'compliment' the Qwest..Thus the current design of the Hilton today..

I don't have a pic, but remember the original Hilton illustration in the W-H..All I remember saying is 'Yikes'..

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Postby nebport5 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:53 am

really i don't see why it had to "match". An as a visual cue to stretch the OM I don't think that was a bad idea. Plus I think its more interesting with a mixture of old and new(like "Streets" mentioned).

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Postby Omaha Cowboy » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:27 am

I don't think it had to match..Just not completely clash..

The current Hilton design certainly dosen't clash..But at least fits in pretty well next to the Qwest Center..

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Postby nebport5 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:07 pm

I rember one of the Hilton designs had ivory all over the side. I still think that would be a nice touch. Also a little paint- a light tanish brown- would help it not look so sterile.

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Postby ShawJ » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:11 am

Can anyone provide information on why the proposed 28 story Marriott Hotel by the Qwest Center was never built?


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Postby Brad » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:14 am

ShawJ wrote:Can anyone provide information on why the proposed 28 story Marriott Hotel by the Qwest Center was never built?


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Daub chose the Mariott then lost to Fahey in the election.... Fahey came and changed it to the hilton!

I merged the 2 topics... Have fun reading!
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Postby S33 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:29 pm

Fahey stated the Hilton design would be more pedestrian friendly and he also thought the Marriott would over shadow the Qwest Center. I think we all know the truth though.

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Postby StreetsOfOmaha » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:15 pm

It was a pissing contest between the new and old mayor.  It should have been the Marriott, or the Marriott should have been built elsewhere, in addition to the Hilton.

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Postby Big E » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:39 pm

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Wow... a two page thread full of differing viewpoints without a bunch of name calling and cry baby whiny |expletive|.
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Postby Brad » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:41 pm

For those of you that don't care for the Hilton, check this out.... Its very similar to the Hilton in next to the Qwest Center, however it is about as tall as the proposed Marriott.  It is across from the Ballpark in Baltimore.  Other Baltimore pics in the photography section.

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Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:53 pm

S33 wrote:Fahey stated the Hilton design would be more pedestrian friendly and he also thought the Marriott would over shadow the Qwest Center. I think we all know the truth though.


Forgive my stupidity mr fahey but doesn't I-480 overshadow the Qwest Center?  

Perhaps a more direct question:  SO WHAT?!?!?!  

And what on earth is more pedestrian about the Hilton?  THAT I just don't get.

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Postby ricko » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:39 pm

The "pedestrian friendly" line was probably just a lame excuse, but I do think that the Hilton brand was a wise choice.  It gives Hilton 'points' members a first class place to stay while in Omaha----and Marriott already has a full service hotel in Omaha.  Yeah, y'all didn't get your high-rise, but you got a classier chain.  The Hilton Omaha is also corporately owned (most are franchises), and I think these tend to be better managed and have better amenities------and in my opinion, the corporate hotels treat their employees better (better pay, better benefits, professional HR departments, etc.).  I think high rises are built for two reasons: 1) land prices, and 2) corporations like to make an advertising statement.  I predict that the more expensive land becomes downtown, the more likely you'll see high-rises built.

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Postby NovakOmaha » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:01 pm

ricko wrote:The "pedestrian friendly" line was probably just a lame excuse, but I do think that the Hilton brand was a wise choice.  It gives Hilton 'points' members a first class place to stay while in Omaha----and Marriott already has a full service hotel in Omaha.  Yeah, y'all didn't get your high-rise, but you got a classier chain.  The Hilton Omaha is also corporately owned (most are franchises), and I think these tend to be better managed and have better amenities------and in my opinion, the corporate hotels treat their employees better (better pay, better benefits, professional HR departments, etc.).  I think high rises are built for two reasons: 1) land prices, and 2) corporations like to make an advertising statement.  I predict that the more expensive land becomes downtown, the more likely you'll see high-rises built.


Well, you'd be right if you weren't mistaken.  It's owned by the city of Omaha and managed by a management company.  
Hilton classier than Marriott?  I disagree.  And there are Hilton brands downtown already, as well as Marriott.
Professional HR departments?  So a non corporate property has an amateur HR dept.?  
The majority of lodging properties are managed by management companies, and less than 10% are corporate owned.  All have to comply with chain standards.  

But other than that....

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Postby Garrett » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:08 pm

ShawJ wrote:Can anyone provide information on why the proposed 28 story Marriott Hotel by the Qwest Center was never built?


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Postby ricko » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:43 pm

NovakOmaha, I work for the Hilton Corp..  I may be mistaken, but I know that the last time I checked, Hilton Omaha was listed as one of the 70-plus Hiltons on our corporate list in the US. I stayed there last summer during a home visit, and I only get discounts with the hotels on the list----and their job postings are listed in the corporation's newsletter.  You may be right about the ownership, but for some reason it's treated like one of the corporately owned Hilton hotels.  Maybe it's an asterisk. I haven't heard of any of our other hotels with that kind of financing setup. I'll admit that I'm way biased when it comes to hotel pecking orders, but the fact remains that the Hilton Omaha is the only 4-diamond hotel in Nebraska, and I think that means something when it comes to quality.  I'll also admit that the exterior looks like a very nice army barracks building from the 1950's.   I'll will stand by my opinions regarding employee treatment.  For almost 10 years I've managed employees who've worked in a number of other chains, and this is a purely anecdotal feeling, but I sense that Hilton is a preferred place to work, and I know for a fact that our benefits are better than those at the Hyatt, Marriott, The Ritz-Carlton, The Four Seasons, W, Renaissance, Crown Plaza, and just about any other chain I can think of (a few years back I was asked to be on a task force that did comparison studies---we came to the conclusion that, in order to retain quality employees, we had to offer quality benefits). You're right when you point out that all hotels, regardless of their status (corp. vs. franchise) must meet certain company standards, but it's a commonly accepted belief that the corporate hotels in the Hilton chain go the extra mile.  Regarding HR department comparisons,  hotels run the gamut, and I guess I need to explain my sense of "professionalism".  I've worked for companies whose HR departments were merely tools for upper management-----and employees in that environment learn to 'work around' their HR folks (unprofessional).  I currently work in an environment where the HR folks treat even the lowliest employee with respect and friendliness, have an open-door policy, and are also very good at listening and conflict resolution (professional).  I think ongoing training on every level (both staff and management), especially in customer service/human relations, is something that we do very well.
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Postby DTO Luv » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:06 pm

And Pacific Life is a great company too!

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Postby windsor » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:25 pm

I would be happy with either structure.

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Postby Stargazer » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:00 am

An old article pertinent to both Brad's photo and ricko's ownership question...

Mixed reviews on city-owned hotels
With the City Council poised to approve a convention center hotel, other cities offer a comparison.

By Jill Rosen | Sun Staff
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Baltimore's City Council may (DID) approve a city-owned convention center hotel tomorrow. Some cities have not had success with such ventures. (Sun photo by Algerina Perna / April 11, 2005)

One morning last spring, not long before Baltimore would find itself neck-deep in divisive arguments about building a public hotel, Myrtle Beach, S.C., readers unfolding their hometown newspaper probably rubbed their eyes, thinking they'd picked up a flea market circular.

"Need some slightly used bed comforters?" a front-page story began. Have any use for a couple of hundred pillows? Tissue box covers? A lifetime supply of travel-sized soap and shampoo?

"If so, the Myrtle Beach Hotel Board Corp. has a deal for you."

Just two years after a buoyant ribbon cutting, after politicians effused over how this sleek, city-owned hotel would turn South Carolina's beach getaway into a desirable corporate destination, Myrtle Beach was hawking the soap.

Baltimore's City Council is poised to approve tomorrow a city-owned convention center hotel. Though it would be Baltimore's costliest public project, Mayor Martin O'Malley and the hotel's other fans say paying for it with $305 million in revenue bonds is not only is a bargain, but it's also all but risk-free.

But as cities across the country rush to build hotels and claim convention riches, some find horror stories and others, a mixed verdict. At best are cities like Houston. Though the opening of a new hotel hurt ones already in existence, a city official there says the extra rooms have helped to double their conventions this year.

Undaunted, hotel proponents here want their Hilton. Unleash the floodgates of meetings business, they say, watch the prosperity spill over into the entire downtown market, count the extra dollars, the sheer profit, that will roll into the city's coffers.

Myrtle Beach begs to differ.

So do St. Louis, Omaha, Neb., and Overland Park, Kan. - all cities that used public money to build hotels. Failing hotels.

Other cities playing innkeeper, places like Houston and Austin, Texas, have sunnier outlooks. While awaiting their promised convention gold rushes, they might be short of projections on room rates and occupancy goals - but they're making ends meet.

That, industry analysts say, is as good as it gets.

The convention market that Baltimore wants to further invest in is anything but a sure thing, they say. It's fraught with imbalance as more and more cities build and expand facilities and more and more of them go for headquarters hotels on the side - all to capture a meetings business that's stuttering, trying to shake off the damage from the post-Sept. 11 travel industry chill.

According to Tradeshow Week, the convention industry is slowly recovering from 2001, but not to the levels of the 1990s. In 2004, events nationwide rose 2.3 percent. Attendance, however, slipped slightly from about 51 million people to 50 million.

"The convention market right now has become quite saturated with supply, so a lot of cities are finding they have to give away the space to attract visitors," says Anne Van Praagh, an analyst for Moody's Investors Service.

Convention centers are "money losers," she says. "And now we're seeing that many of the hotels built to accommodate [them] are struggling to survive."


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Postby RockHarbor » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:12 pm

Man, what great designs....  I would love Omaha to have one of those.  Maybe someday.  

Speaking of Marriott, I wonder when the Marriott in Regency was built?  I'm thinking around 1980 or '81?  I finally was in that hotel last summer when friends of mine were staying in it...  I got to spend time in there, and hang out at the pool.  Pretty nice place...

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Postby jgomaha » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:55 pm

You were very close... it was completed in 1982.

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Postby NovakOmaha » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:51 pm

RockHarbor wrote:Man, what great designs....  I would love Omaha to have one of those.  Maybe someday.  

Speaking of Marriott, I wonder when the Marriott in Regency was built?  I'm thinking around 1980 or '81?  I finally was in that hotel last summer when friends of mine were staying in it...  I got to spend time in there, and hang out at the pool.  Pretty nice place...


And if memory serves Des Moines got one around the same time, but it was in downtown Des Moines and 30 stories tall.  I've stayed there and it's a really nice high rise downtown hotel.  

Just saying....

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Someone was just asking the forum...
Does anyone still have the renderings of the originally proposed Qwest Center Marriott?
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I think it's been pretty well expunged from the internet.
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Postby Louie » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:57 pm

RNcyanide wrote:I think it's been pretty well expunged from the internet.

Yeah, I just spent 30 minutes trying to find it. Why? I have no clue...

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Postby skinzfan23 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:05 pm

Louie wrote:
RNcyanide wrote:I think it's been pretty well expunged from the internet.

Yeah, I just spent 30 minutes trying to find it. Why? I have no clue...

Funny thing is....I did the same thing to no avail.

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Lol, I did the same thing too. I found a couple broken image links from a user's private website on the Growomaha forum, but they weren't archived.
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Postby skinzfan23 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:53 pm

Overall, I don't think it was overly impressive, but of course it was 600 rooms and 20-30 stories. Would have had a nice impact on the skyline.

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:45 am

Neat! Where did you find it??
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Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:21 am

Nice, how many stories was that supposed to be. I tried counting and its obvious it is over 20 but I can't tell if it is 30 or not.

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skinzfan23 wrote:Nice, how many stories was that supposed to be. I tried counting and its obvious it is over 20 but I can't tell if it is 30 or not.


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That sketch looks like something out of a Superman cartoon from the 1940's.
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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:51 pm

It looks kind of ominous. It would be nice to have for the sake of having a tall building, but It's kind of ugly.
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Postby GetUrban » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:42 pm

Looks like something from the 1927 film Metropolis.
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Postby Midwestern » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:59 pm

I'd still much rather have that than the Hilton though... :( :(

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:37 pm

Midwestern wrote:I'd still much rather have that than the Hilton though... :( :(


I feel like it would have set an entirely different vibe in North Downtown. Buildings would be taller, more interesting things would be down there, the crappy suburban hotels would have been done differently, etc.
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