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Re: The Stothert Administration

Postby Greg S » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:25 am

Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

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Postby bigredmed » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:56 pm

Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

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He was an engineer. He may have had the "knack" as Dilbert put it, but he was absolutely horrible at interacting with people. Especially people who were mad about something valid. Just could not help putting his foot in his mouth.

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:30 pm

bigredmed wrote:
Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

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He was an engineer. He may have had the "knack" as Dilbert put it, but he was absolutely horrible at interacting with people. Especially people who were mad about something valid. Just could not help putting his foot in his mouth.


Stothert should have put him on her payroll, considering his case of foot-in-mouth disease did the campaigning for her.
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Postby GRANDPASMUCKER » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:08 pm

RNcyanide wrote:
bigredmed wrote:
Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

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He was an engineer. He may have had the "knack" as Dilbert put it, but he was absolutely horrible at interacting with people. Especially people who were mad about something valid. Just could not help putting his foot in his mouth.


Stothert should have put him on her payroll, considering his case of foot-in-mouth disease did the campaigning for her.



She didn't need any help. I'm no political soothsayer but I would almost guarantee you if she wanted to run for Senator she could win. You got a woman who is well spoken and intelligent and comes off sincere and nice. Thats a pretty good act.

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Postby bigredmed » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:32 pm

RNcyanide wrote:
bigredmed wrote:
Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

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He was an engineer. He may have had the "knack" as Dilbert put it, but he was absolutely horrible at interacting with people. Especially people who were mad about something valid. Just could not help putting his foot in his mouth.


Stothert should have put him on her payroll, considering his case of foot-in-mouth disease did the campaigning for her.


The democrats should have let him lose the recall instead of using Sienna Francis for election fraud. They could have run someone better and then Stothert would be on the council instead of the big chair.

A good lesson for all pols. Sometimes the angry working stiffs are right. Blow them off at your peril.

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RNcyanide wrote:
bigredmed wrote:
Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.

Greg


He was an engineer. He may have had the "knack" as Dilbert put it, but he was absolutely horrible at interacting with people. Especially people who were mad about something valid. Just could not help putting his foot in his mouth.


Stothert should have put him on her payroll, considering his case of foot-in-mouth disease did the campaigning for her.



She didn't need any help. I'm no political soothsayer but I would almost guarantee you if she wanted to run for Senator she could win. You got a woman who is well spoken and intelligent and comes off sincere and nice. Thats a pretty good act.


Really good point grandpa. I think someone like her would make a really good governor.

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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:53 pm

She has already said she has no designs on higher office. As mentioned previously, this is actually really good for us because she won't run the city to the beat of the party's goosesteps in order to appeal to a far more conservative audience. She's basically free to do as she pleases without worrying about stashing skeletons in her closet.
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Postby Bosco55David » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:58 am

Greg S wrote:Suttle could be pretty ignorant at times. With all of the budget issues we had going on (he inherited them), the bike czar was really poor timing on his part. Not debating if it was needed but was not the right time.
Actually I think that was just typical Becka/KFAB idiocy. If I recall correctly, almost all of that guy's salary was paid for by private grants with very little actual city funding.

I guess though, that speaks to one of Suttle's biggest weaknesses; being bad at PR. His camp should have pushed back against the KFAB led onslaught and shut them down.

Was it Fahey or Daub (I think Fahey) that negotiated deal with the fire union where they could spike their pensions with OT? That was inexcusable and really hurt the city. I'm a 20 year HR guy and letting OT count towards a pension was brutal.
That was Fahey. The sad part is that he did that as a way to throw a bone to the police and fire departments that had not received raises in at least a couple years up to that point. The unions wanted the raises, but Fahey wouldn't budge. Ironically enough, the raises would have been SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the pension spiking.

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Postby RNcyanide » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:08 am

What about the million that Suttle 'lost' to the police unions? Am I remembering something incorrectly there?
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Re: The Stothert Administration

Postby Bosco55David » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:12 am

bigredmed wrote:The democrats should have let him lose the recall instead of using Sienna Francis for election fraud.


Well first off, let's get some basic facts right.

- The Sienna-Francis fiasco was the result of Forward Omaha, not Suttle himself.

- What happened there was not illegal, per the Nebraska State Patrol.

- Pro-recall groups had done similar things, using homeless people to get the signatures required to start the recall. Also not illegal.

- If anything, the Sienna-Francis issue probably lost Suttle more votes than it gained for him.

They could have run someone better and then Stothert would be on the council instead of the big chair.
I'm not sure who that would have been, though I think Jerram or (and to a lesser extent) Festerson would have made solid mayors.

A good lesson for all pols. Sometimes the angry working stiffs are right. Blow them off at your peril.
If it was the "angry, working stiffs" that decided it, Suttle would have lost the recall and Stothert would be in just as big of a PR deficit as Suttle was. Suttle lost to Stothert because his second campaign sucked.

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Re: The Stothert Administration

Postby Seth » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:50 pm

Bosco55David wrote:That was Fahey. The sad part is that he did that as a way to throw a bone to the police and fire departments that had not received raises in at least a couple years up to that point. The unions wanted the raises, but Fahey wouldn't budge. Ironically enough, the raises would have been SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the pension spiking.


That's pretty typical politics for unionized public-sector workers. It's why they've traditionally received below-average wages, but very generous pensions. It's an easy solution for short-term politicians, because you're rewarding them with money for future generations.

My home state of Illinois is finally paying the piper on this one. They've been giving generous pensions for decades (some with and without spiking, but that's not the real problem, it just exacerbates it). During this time they've consistently under-funded the pension fund or over-estimated returns. Now suddenly it's an emergency, but it's been years in the making.

If someone like me set a fixed amount of money I wanted to retire on, but then decided that I wanted to spend my 401k contributions on vacations every year, by retirement age, I'd be screwed too.

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Postby Seth » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:00 pm

RNcyanide wrote:Even if she was caught off guard, what could she do? Hold a gun to their heads? Offer to tear down the Greenhouse and the dispatch center, or to wash his cars every week?

No one really could do anything to get this guy to keep it here. In Corporate America, job comes to you.


Although the ConAgra move doesn't appear to be a case of it, there is far too much job-stealing between states and cities in the US, and all of us are losers from the instability and tax inequality of it.

I grew up outside of a small town that had two shuttered manufacturing plants. They both were built on generous incentives, and when the tax-incentives ran out, they packed up and moved to the next little town that offered them a bunch of stuff for free. The plants were at the age of requiring retrofits and renovation, so the extra price to build new was more than covered by the incentive packages they could get elsewhere. It turns into a race for the bottom, and hurts established businesses that choose to stay the most, since they're in effect subsidizing the ones that move around.

I'm all for discussing reforming the corporate tax code, but doing without looking at all these special incentive deals is missing half the picture.

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Re: The Stothert Administration

Postby iamjacobm » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:37 pm

Stothert supporting extending the wheel tax to outside the city limits? Surprising move.

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Postby Midwestern » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:29 pm

iamjacobm wrote:Stothert supporting extending the wheel tax to outside the city limits? Surprising move.


And it is Franklin Thompson who brought it up again I believe. I guess it's not just "urban hipster elitist marxist left-wingers" that propose and/or support taxes such as this after all.

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Postby Brad » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:19 pm

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iamjacobm wrote:Stothert supporting extending the wheel tax to outside the city limits? Surprising move.


And it is Franklin Thompson who brought it up again I believe. I guess it's not just "urban hipster elitist marxist left-wingers" that propose and/or support taxes such as this after all.



There is a whole other half to that. They would also get to vote in city elections... I believe that was the hiccup before, taxation without representation. This time you could vote on city issues too.
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Postby jessep28 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:12 pm

Also, you have the soup of municipalities within three miles of the Douglas/Sarpy border to consider. There was concern years ago that Omaha's push to capture more wheel tax revenue from surrounding residents could start a wheel tax war. Ralston for instance is three miles from the border of Omaha, LaVista and Papillion. If Omaha, LaVista and Papillion tried to reach across the border for wheel tax revenue, unless some restriction was put in place, there's a potential for Ralston residents to pay three wheel taxes.

I personally don't buy the argument that surrounding residents are freeloaders. Most probably work and shop frequently within the Omaha city limits and pay sales taxes on a regular basis.
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Postby Uffda » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:49 pm

A friend said he got blocked from the mayors Twitter. After posting this

I just asked why we're donating $10 million worth of property (and the revenue from the parking lot they're going to build) to the Holland so HDR, who has almost $2 billion in revenue, can build their HQ where they want. If they want the spot so bad, why aren't they buying the buildings themselves?


Guess she doesn't like criticism

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Postby jessep28 » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:58 pm

Uffda wrote:A friend said he got blocked from the mayors Twitter. After posting this

I just asked why we're donating $10 million worth of property (and the revenue from the parking lot they're going to build) to the Holland so HDR, who has almost $2 billion in revenue, can build their HQ where they want. If they want the spot so bad, why aren't they buying the buildings themselves?


Guess she doesn't like criticism


It's somewhat easy to inadvertently block people on Twitter also.
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Postby Uffda » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:16 pm

I doubt it was done in advertently :D :D

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Postby GRANDPASMUCKER » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:35 am

Uffda wrote:A friend said he got blocked from the mayors Twitter. After posting this

I just asked why we're donating $10 million worth of property (and the revenue from the parking lot they're going to build) to the Holland so HDR, who has almost $2 billion in revenue, can build their HQ where they want. If they want the spot so bad, why aren't they buying the buildings themselves?


Guess she doesn't like criticism


I would much rather see the city spend 10 million to help a huge company locate downtown then spend 2 nickels on that Crossroads fiasco. :shock:

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Postby GetUrban » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:13 pm

GRANDPASMUCKER wrote:
Uffda wrote:A friend said he got blocked from the mayors Twitter. After posting this

I just asked why we're donating $10 million worth of property (and the revenue from the parking lot they're going to build) to the Holland so HDR, who has almost $2 billion in revenue, can build their HQ where they want. If they want the spot so bad, why aren't they buying the buildings themselves?


Guess she doesn't like criticism


I would much rather see the city spend 10 million to help a huge company locate downtown then spend 2 nickels on that Crossroads fiasco. :shock:


But you've said before that nobody should dare to go downtown because it is so dangerous. I guess you really don't give a Hog's, Dog's, or Rat's a$$ about their employees.

HDR should pay the City 10 million dollars for their lot, IMO. Another detail left out is: how much is HDR going to pay for the two city-owned parcels that are next to the the OPA property that make up the whole block of surface parking? Are those city-owned parcels just going to be handed over to HDR for free?
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Postby mattl181 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:17 pm

Uffda wrote:A friend said he got blocked from the mayors Twitter. After posting this

I just asked why we're donating $10 million worth of property (and the revenue from the parking lot they're going to build) to the Holland so HDR, who has almost $2 billion in revenue, can build their HQ where they want. If they want the spot so bad, why aren't they buying the buildings themselves?


Guess she doesn't like criticism


Yeah, nothing inadvertent about that. I was blocked from her Facebook page after raising similar concerns. The mayor seems extremely petty to me, and to not want any dissent regarding this deal.

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Postby Coyote » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:14 pm

I apologize to begin with, but, I just had to...

"She came in like a Wrecking Ball"

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Postby Busguy2010 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:21 am

Coyote wrote:I apologize to begin with, but, I just had to...

"She came in like a Wrecking Ball"


Make a shirt of it! Chris Jerram will eat it up!

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Postby Coyote » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:53 pm

WOWT just ran a teaser for their 10:00 news: City ready to give away another Historic Building.
Anyone know which one?
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Postby mattl181 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:21 pm

Coyote wrote:WOWT just ran a teaser for their 10:00 news: City ready to give away another Historic Building.
Anyone know which one?


Oh god, this city sometimes... at this point, I'm just going to go ahead and assume it is the entire Old Market.

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Postby Midwestern » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:30 pm

Coyote wrote:WOWT just ran a teaser for their 10:00 news: City ready to give away another Historic Building.
Anyone know which one?


Is it too much to ask for it to be the 4-story state office building?? 8)

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Postby Erik » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:49 pm

Coyote wrote:I apologize to begin with, but, I just had to...

"She came in like a Wrecking Ball"

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Omg. That is funny stuff

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Postby Coyote » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:09 am

Midwestern wrote:
Coyote wrote:WOWT just ran a teaser for their 10:00 news: City ready to give away another Historic Building.
Anyone know which one?


Is it too much to ask for it to be the 4-story state office building?? 8)


I never heard what building their teaser was about last night, did anyone catch it elsewhere?
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Postby HskrFanMike » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:32 pm

This year, the city is 0 for 2 on snow removal. The first one (Christmas Eve) kind of caught everyone off guard; nobody was predicting that amount of snow and it came fast.

This one, the forecasters had the storm pretty much nailed last night. An inch or snow of snow before rush hour, and more during the rest of the morning and afternoon. And morning rush hour was complete gridlock.

With one inch of snow. This isn't Atlanta. But the city apparently decided to run snow operations like Atlanta.
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Postby Coyote » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:59 pm

People started showing up at work this morning around 0630 saying it took over a hour to get to Aksarben Village, and some later took 1.5 - 2 hours of travel time.

Like you said, EVERYBODY know this storm was going to happen, maybe it came an hour earlier than expected, but there was a warning out last evening...
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Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:37 pm

It took me 1 hr 15 min to get from near Offutt to Aksarben Village. I left 20 min early this morning thinking that would be enough, but no such luck.

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Postby iamjacobm » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:54 pm

I get the frustration, but really this snow fell at the absolute worst time to get them clear. If this started at midnight instead of 6 AM the streets would have been a lot better b/c the crews could have been out on empty streets clearing. Trying to clear snow in rush hour has to be a pain. I guess I don't know what Stothert has shown to have a different snow policy than previous Mayors.

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Postby nebugeater » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:43 pm

Can't say I could blame them for this Morning. When the snow starts falling as the traffic picks up it is not possible to be ahead of it and clear what is not there yet. The way it came retreating with anything would not have helped.
I chalk the AM drive up to drivers needing to plan ahead too and take some responsibility.
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Postby mattl181 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:58 pm

nebugeater wrote:Can't say I could blame them for this Morning. When the snow starts falling as the traffic picks up it is not possible to be ahead of it and clear what is not there yet. The way it came retreating with anything would not have helped.
I chalk the AM drive up to drivers needing to plan ahead too and take some responsibility.


And what would you blame this afternoon's commute on? The roads are STILL terrible and they have, in fact, shut down Dodge street from 84th to 90th. Fact of the matter is the city has once again dropped the ball. Don't go around blaming it on the driver's. People who have to be out there going to work, work with what they've got, and what they were given was an icy pile of slush to drive on.

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Postby Omababe » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:15 pm

Nice to be out of town and reading the weather reports and such. Hopefully it will be clear by the weekend. Glad I parked in the covered garage! :)

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Postby jessep28 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:21 pm

It looks like the OWH removed the sentence, but apparently Omaha's director of snow removal operations commutes by bicycle, even in the snow.
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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:40 pm

I had to drive from Chalco to Bellevue then went straight to 144th and F. From my house to Twin Creek took me about 45 minutes each way and from my house to 144th and F took about 20 minutes. There were cars on the side of the road, people spinning out, taking up two lanes, and other weirdness. It's just something I've come to expect each winter. I have my snow tires and front wheel drive Honda and I feel like I'm a decent driver in the snow (just like everyone else, right?). With that, I can conquer this city.
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Postby jessep28 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:45 pm

RNcyanide wrote:I had to drive from Chalco to Bellevue then went straight to 144th and F. From my house to Twin Creek took me about 45 minutes each way and from my house to 144th and F took about 20 minutes. There were cars on the side of the road, people spinning out, taking up two lanes, and other weirdness. It's just something I've come to expect each winter. I have my snow tires and front wheel drive Honda and I feel like I'm a decent driver in the snow (just like everyone else, right?). With that, I can conquer this city.


A rear wheel drive pickup with snow tires and chains would probably perform better on snow and ice than SUV's and Crossovers with four/all wheel drive and all season tires.
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Postby RNcyanide » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:02 pm

All-season tires aren't worth shit.
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