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Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Coyote » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:48 am

Looks like Stothert has plans for 17 new annexations, adding 14,000
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:03 am

Areas proposed for annexation include 16 SIDs:
Eldorado
Le Beau
Rolling Meadows
Nelson's Creek
Diamond Head
Huntington Park
Cinnamon Creek
Skyline Country
Vintage Oaks
Standing Bear Pointe
Mission Pines
Northwest Village, second addition
Hillsborough Pointe
Brookhaven West
Whispering Hills
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:08 am

If the city added 14,000 to the current estimate from 2014 of 446,599, Omaha's population would be over 460,000!

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby iamjacobm » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:17 am

skinzfan23 wrote:If the city added 14,000 to the current estimate from 2014 of 446,599, Omaha's population would be over 460,000!


It is more of a trivia piece than actual importance, but that would probably put us above Atlanta in terms of proper city population.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:31 am

iamjacobm wrote:It is more of a trivia piece than actual importance, but that would probably put us above Atlanta in terms of proper city population.

Yeah Atlanta and Virginia Beach....it would move Omaha into the top 40 as well.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:32 am

Here are the current population estimates:

39 Atlanta Georgia 456,002
40 Virginia Beach Virginia 450,980
41 Omaha Nebraska 446,599

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Garrett » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:20 am

Is it just me or does the Stothert Administration have much more ambitious annexation packages than previous ones?
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Coyote » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:28 am

Is she tying this annexation to the hiring of more OPD personnel?
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby jessep28 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:24 pm

Coyote wrote:Is she tying this annexation to the hiring of more OPD personnel?


OWH article states that the tax revenue will be able to fund ten more police officers.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby daveoma » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:13 pm

Why would the mayor want more cops? I thought she was trying to shrink their budget.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby MTO » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:02 pm

Ten more officers is an asinine selling point.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Coyote » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:35 am

Going before the July Planning Board - Approval of the 2015 Annexation Package:

Northwest Village 2nd Addition (SID 430);
Whispering Hills (SID 460);
Standing Bear Pointe (SID 401);
Hillsborough Pointe (SID 432) and adjacent area;
Nelson’s Creek (SID 337);
Diamond Head (SID 350) Huntington Park (SID 374) and adjacent area;
Eldorado (SID 206);
Skyline Country (SID 394) and adjacent area;
Area Southwest of 180th and F Street;
180th Plaza (SID 481) and adjacent area;
Rolling Meadows (SID 286) and adjacent area;
Cinnamon Creek (SID 392) and adjacent area;
Mission Pines (SID 412);
Vintage Oaks (SID 399);
Le Beau (SID 240);
Brookhaven West (SID 435)
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Coyote » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:36 pm

Omaha Planning Board approves annexation plan, moves to City Council

The Omaha Planning Board approved the 2015 annexation package in a 5-0 vote. The proposal now goes to the full City Council.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby MTO » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:55 pm

Will the council vote soon?
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Postby HR Paperstacks » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:10 pm

Interesting editorial in the OWH today regarding annexation:

Old state law helps Omaha grow
Omaha World-Herald wrote:A 2007 World-Herald analysis of annexation laws around the country found no equal in other states. David Rusk, an urban planner and former mayor of Albuquerque, New Mexico, called the law “uncommon, perhaps unique; but in my judgment, it is a very wise provision.”

It is a vital, bipartisan tool that Mayor Jean Stothert plans to use to add another 14,000 people and more than $1 billion in property to Omaha.
The law allows Omaha to annex Douglas County communities and unincorporated areas of less than 10,000 people on its own. It’s how separate towns like Elkhorn and Millard became neighborhoods in the broader tapestry of Omaha.

It’s also how Omaha has avoided the fate of many other cities around the country — being ringed in by independent, suburban communities while the urban core is hollowed out.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

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Ala St. Louis.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Garrett » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:45 pm

Louie wrote:Ala St. Louis.


St. Louis got super screwed; The state created completely different counties for St. Louis and its suburbs.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby daveoma » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:35 pm

Over the long term Omaha will eventually fill Douglas county and won't be able to annex across county lines. I wonder how the city will adapt if/when that happens.

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Postby skinzfan23 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:00 pm

daveoma wrote:Over the long term Omaha will eventually fill Douglas county and won't be able to annex across county lines. I wonder how the city will adapt if/when that happens.

That will probably be a very long time.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby HR Paperstacks » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:19 pm

daveoma wrote:Over the long term Omaha will eventually fill Douglas county and won't be able to annex across county lines. I wonder how the city will adapt if/when that happens.

There have already been pushes to allow Omaha to be able to expand outside of Douglas County. I'm sure the issue will come up again, especially as we reach the western boundary of the county (~ 264th St). I think the legislation has failed in the past because a lot of people don't want Omaha to expand into Sarpy County. But when we reach the western boundary, I'm pretty sure Sarpy will be filled up enough where that couldn't happen.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

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HR Paperstacks wrote:
daveoma wrote:Over the long term Omaha will eventually fill Douglas county and won't be able to annex across county lines. I wonder how the city will adapt if/when that happens.

There have already been pushes to allow Omaha to be able to expand outside of Douglas County. I'm sure the issue will come up again, especially as we reach the western boundary of the county (~ 264th St). I think the legislation has failed in the past because a lot of people don't want Omaha to expand into Sarpy County. But when we reach the western boundary, I'm pretty sure Sarpy will be filled up enough where that couldn't happen.


I think if that effort succeeds, then Omaha will expand into Saunders and Washington counties. I agree that the city would not be very interested in Sarpy county.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby iamjacobm » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:52 pm

I don't think annexing over counties is necessary. West means we will be on the hook for incredibly expensive new sewage and street systems on the other side of the Platte River. North means land that is way to hilly to be developed in any kind or large scale way. We as a city don't need to control everything all the way to Fremont or Wahoo

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby RNcyanide » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:36 pm

Look at it this way. It's taken omaha over 150 years to occupy about 50% of the county, speaking exponentially. I would say we have at least 50 to 100 more before we need to worry about cross-county annexation. We should be more concerned about maintaining healthy urban cores around the city and keeping our current infrastructure maintained and up to date rather than annexing several miles of urban sprawl and farmland. Additionally, city-county entity would fail as well. As mentioned a while back somewhere else by someone else, the interests of the people in the city are much different than those in the countryside.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby skinzfan23 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:25 am

From the World Herald yesterday:
Mayor Jean Stothert has removed the Cinnamon Creek area from her proposed annexation package.
Stothert said she reconsidered that area because it would cost the city $1.2 million over a 10-year period. Cinnamon Creek, which is east of 180th and Q Streets, has 1,969 residents.
The remaining package of 16 areas would bring about 11,000 new residents into the city.

The council is scheduled to hold a public hearing on the annexation proposal July 28 and vote on it Aug. 4.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Coyote » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:26 pm

Omaha City Council passed the annexation plan today.
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Postby bigredmed » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:07 am

RNcyanide wrote:Look at it this way. It's taken omaha over 150 years to occupy about 50% of the county, speaking exponentially. I would say we have at least 50 to 100 more before we need to worry about cross-county annexation. We should be more concerned about maintaining healthy urban cores around the city and keeping our current infrastructure maintained and up to date rather than annexing several miles of urban sprawl and farmland. Additionally, city-county entity would fail as well. As mentioned a while back somewhere else by someone else, the interests of the people in the city are much different than those in the countryside.


Duval County in FLA (Jacksonville) has more rural area than Douglas County. It seems to be doing fine. I would rather see a condensed Police force and coordinated road service. I like the idea of a single county board rather than the two we have now.

As for western expansion, I can't believe that direct western expansion will happen very fast as the flood risk from both rivers cuts into the development of the ground (much of that area is in the 500 year flood plain of either or both rivers or the Rawhide creek. It would be more profitable to develop north and northwest and to further develop Sarpy Co. NW Douglas county has two (current and old) landfills that are going to be problematic for development, and Washington Co has set land use rules in place that make residential development somewhat problematic.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Trips » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:45 am

Help me out here. So with these new parts how is the city getting extra money for officers and roads in other parts of town? Would they now have to install sewers and roads in parts of this area. That is in addition to maintaining the roads, parks, police and trash service. They also said 10 new officers but for a population of 14,000 that comes to 7.1 officers per 10,000 people. The national average is 17 per 10k people. I realize that places like the Pearson mansion will be profitable but it seems like a lot of expenses are coming along with this.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Louie » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:22 pm

Trips wrote:Help me out here. So with these new parts how is the city getting extra money for officers and roads in other parts of town? Would they now have to install sewers and roads in parts of this area. That is in addition to maintaining the roads, parks, police and trash service. They also said 10 new officers but for a population of 14,000 that comes to 7.1 officers per 10,000 people. The national average is 17 per 10k people. I realize that places like the Pearson mansion will be profitable but it seems like a lot of expenses are coming along with this.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is covered in property taxes, right?

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Trips » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:07 pm

I was under the impression that the big selling point was all the extra property taxes the city would get. Wont they now have to over the SID's outstanding debt? I was wondering if they would have to bring the houses that have septic systems onto city sewer. There are also roads like 184th and 187th that are not at current city standards. I am just not seeing how they will be getting a windfall of riches by annexing these areas in the short term.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Brad » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:09 pm

Trips wrote:I was wondering if they would have to bring the houses that have septic systems onto city sewer.


Which neighborhoods are on Septic?
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Stargazer » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:08 pm

Jean has already indicated she'll run for re-election... these suburban annexations will no doubt get her a considerable number of Republican voters. ;)

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby jessep28 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:20 pm

Brad wrote:
Trips wrote:I was wondering if they would have to bring the houses that have septic systems onto city sewer.


Which neighborhoods are on Septic?


I'm curious too. Most of the SIDs bordering Omaha should be tied into Omaha's sewer system in the first place.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

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Stargazer wrote:Jean has already indicated she'll run for re-election... these suburban annexations will no doubt get her a considerable number of Republican voters. ;)


Bingo.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Brad » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:18 pm

After a few spot checks, I found two ares that are not on the city sewer, SW 180 and F Street and Rolling Meadow. Both Acreage Developments.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Louie » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:56 am

Brad wrote:After a few spot checks, I found two ares that are not on the city sewer, SW 180 and F Street and Rolling Meadow. Both Acreage Developments.

I believe the Sw 180 and F street development was one that was cut from this year's annexation. Presumably for that reason.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

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Louie wrote:
Brad wrote:After a few spot checks, I found two ares that are not on the city sewer, SW 180 and F Street and Rolling Meadow. Both Acreage Developments.

I believe the Sw 180 and F street development was one that was cut from this year's annexation. Presumably for that reason.


No. Cinnamon Creek was.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Trips » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:30 pm

For the septic I know the acreages from 180-192nd and F-Q Street are not connected to a sewer system. That seems like lot of land for sewers and new roads that could get expensive. The roads in that area are currently narrow blacktop with no curbs. Even the new Celebrity neighborhood there is going to have a lot of debt on their SID.

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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby Brad » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:26 pm

Would the city even connect them? I would guess they would not. Just like they wouldn't repave the roads. Then in 50 years we will see them on the news complaining that the city won't maintain their roads like 112 and Pacific.
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Re: Omaha Annexation 2015

Postby GetUrban » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:05 pm

Brad wrote:Would the city even connect them? I would guess they would not. Just like they wouldn't repave the roads. Then in 50 years we will see them on the news complaining that the city won't maintain their roads like 112 and Pacific.


There's no need to connect the acreages to the sanitary sewer system, as long as the lots are large enough to handle the leach fields for each house...typically over 1 acre, depending on the soil type, water table, etc.
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