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I stopped by a little "Hole in the Wall" for a beer after the concert last night. Â Every single person in the bar said they voted for Suttle. Â They were all saying that they couldn't believe anyone would ever vote for daub. Â They all thought he was a sleazy politician that didn't do anything good when he was in office. Â I asked them "What about the Qwest Center" and they would all say "well he did one thing I guess". Â The moral of the story in that bar, no one like his personality and didn't know much about his accomplishments in office. Â One of them also admitted to NEVER being to the Qwest center which blows my mind.
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This is a great line from the usually dingbat WOWT message board.
OWH wrote:Hal Daub is the only candidate offering real solutions for Omaha. Just check out the two websites -- HalDaub.com and JimSuttle.com. Hal has specific ideas about how to solve our problems (he says they come from conversations). Jim Suttle offers, what, the sentiment that he'd like to see more jobs in Omaha? That's not a plan. I've never seen a candidate like him before: "We'll figure all that out after I'm elected." What arrogance!
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I dont think I know anyone outside of this forum who voted for Daub. Everyone I talk to thinks he is a slimeball, including many who were too young during his first term. With that said I am happy Suttle won. The conversations I have had with him one on one left me with a sense that he really does know what he is talking about and is a smart, articulate, non-combative person. Regardless of Suttle or Daub, the next mayor faces a lot of budgetary issues and is likely not to fund the high profile projects that we like here on the forum. When Daub was first in office the economy was good and we had room to build projects like the riverfront, but with the way things are going on now I feel things may slow down a bit.
Also, something to think about. Â Suttles campaign was very well organized. Â It seems like the Democrats in Omaha have an advantage in that the UNO and Creighton Dems are large sources of volunteers ready and willing to work in the neighborhoods every day to get out the vote. Â The Republican groups at these schools are unorganized and do not meet regularly or have a steady roster.
Also, something to think about. Â Suttles campaign was very well organized. Â It seems like the Democrats in Omaha have an advantage in that the UNO and Creighton Dems are large sources of volunteers ready and willing to work in the neighborhoods every day to get out the vote. Â The Republican groups at these schools are unorganized and do not meet regularly or have a steady roster.
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omahastylee459 wrote: The conversations I have had with him one on one left me with a sense that he really does know what he is talking about and is a smart, articulate, non-combative person.
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I'll give you non-combative but that's because he's trying to please everyone by being ambiguous with his views and refusing to take a stance.
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I just heard another point of view.
Todd and Tyler said that Daub lost because he was too big in to legislating morality. Â His anti casino stance along with this illegal immigration stuff he brought up in the past few weeks hurt him.
I heard the same Casino thing at the bar last night too.
Todd and Tyler said that Daub lost because he was too big in to legislating morality. Â His anti casino stance along with this illegal immigration stuff he brought up in the past few weeks hurt him.
I heard the same Casino thing at the bar last night too.
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This is still making my PlSS boil. Â It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. Â A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. Â I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Â Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. Â They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. Â They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
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Well, I guess now Suttle can start "studying" streetcars, something Daub already did during his term over nine years ago. I have my doubts that Suttle will get anything done.
While I do feel I voted for the best candidate (Daub), I'm hoping that Suttle can prove us skeptics wrong, and be the leader we all know Omaha deserves.
While I do feel I voted for the best candidate (Daub), I'm hoping that Suttle can prove us skeptics wrong, and be the leader we all know Omaha deserves.
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joeglow wrote:This is still making my PlSS boil. Â It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. Â A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. Â I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Â Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. Â They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
JoeGlow - While I agree with the first part of your statement, the second part seems a little off. I will never question peoples decisions when they take their time to vote. Whether they choose your candidate or the other, that's their business and not yours. You say the people that voted for Suttle don't care about Omaha? I would say the 69% of registered voters, who didn't make it out to the polls, are the ones who don't really care...wouldn't you agree?
I would rather someone who is willfully uninformed stay home. ÂMurz wrote:joeglow wrote:This is still making my PlSS boil. It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
JoeGlow - While I agree with the first part of your statement, the second part seems a little off. I will never question peoples decisions when they take their time to vote. Whether they choose your candidate or the other, that's their business and not yours. You say the people that voted for Suttle don't care about Omaha? I would say the 69% of registered voters, who didn't make it out to the polls, are the ones who don't really care...wouldn't you agree?
I have asked people who voted for Suttle to tell why, other than his political affiliation or him not being Daub. Â No one could give a reason.
69% stayed home, out of the other 31%, almost 49% of them are uniformed? How many people do you want voting? I just don't get it. If Daub wins, you come on here and say Omaha is saved! Sorry to inform you, but there are others in Omaha that will decide if Omaha is saved.joeglow wrote:I would rather someone who is willfully uninformed stay home. ÂMurz wrote:joeglow wrote:This is still making my PlSS boil. Â It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. Â A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. Â I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Â Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. Â They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
JoeGlow - While I agree with the first part of your statement, the second part seems a little off. I will never question peoples decisions when they take their time to vote. Whether they choose your candidate or the other, that's their business and not yours. You say the people that voted for Suttle don't care about Omaha? I would say the 69% of registered voters, who didn't make it out to the polls, are the ones who don't really care...wouldn't you agree?
I have asked people who voted for Suttle to tell why, other than his political affiliation or him not being Daub. Â No one could give a reason.
You want people to vote based on issues? Do you realize some who voted in the last Presidential election voted based on skin color?
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I know MANY people who willfully stayed home from the polls out of apathy, as both candidates were so underwhelming.
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By all means, tell me why someone should have voted for Suttle other than his political affiliation or not being Daub.Murz wrote:69% stayed home, out of the other 31%, almost 49% of them are uniformed? How many people do you want voting? I just don't get it. If Daub wins, you come on here and say Omaha is saved! Sorry to inform you, but there are others in Omaha that will decide if Omaha is saved.joeglow wrote:I would rather someone who is willfully uninformed stay home.Murz wrote:joeglow wrote:This is still making my PlSS boil. It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
JoeGlow - While I agree with the first part of your statement, the second part seems a little off. I will never question peoples decisions when they take their time to vote. Whether they choose your candidate or the other, that's their business and not yours. You say the people that voted for Suttle don't care about Omaha? I would say the 69% of registered voters, who didn't make it out to the polls, are the ones who don't really care...wouldn't you agree?
I have asked people who voted for Suttle to tell why, other than his political affiliation or him not being Daub. No one could give a reason.
You want people to vote based on issues? Do you realize some who voted in the last Presidential election voted based on skin color?
Of the 49%, I did not say they are uninformed. Â My original post said they just don't give a |expletive| about looking at anything in regards to their positions beyond their political affiliation.
I was going to comment along those lines... Â where the |expletive| is the new blood in this town? Â Where are the new ideas? Â Are Omahans really content to sit back and let the same five or six money families and the same five or six egos run everything?StreetsOfOmaha wrote:I know MANY people who willfully stayed home from the polls out of apathy, as both candidates were so underwhelming.
I am now, more than ever, convinced that Omaha will not only be stuck as a third tier city for the rest of its existence, but that there is a coordinated effort from within to keep it there.
Stable genius.
That settles it. I'll run for mayor and you can be my vice mayor. That's a position isn't it?Big E wrote:I was going to comment along those lines... where the |expletive| is the new blood in this town? Where are the new ideas? Are Omahans really content to sit back and let the same five or six money families and the same five or six egos run everything?StreetsOfOmaha wrote:I know MANY people who willfully stayed home from the polls out of apathy, as both candidates were so underwhelming.
I am now, more than ever, convinced that Omaha will not only be stuck as a third tier city for the rest of its existence, but that there is a coordinated effort from within to keep it there.
I'm a Daub fan but all of the other candidates did suck. Was there even another Democrat candidate in the primary?
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joeglow wrote:By all means, tell me why someone should have voted for Suttle other than his political affiliation or not being Daub.Murz wrote:69% stayed home, out of the other 31%, almost 49% of them are uniformed? How many people do you want voting? I just don't get it. If Daub wins, you come on here and say Omaha is saved! Sorry to inform you, but there are others in Omaha that will decide if Omaha is saved.joeglow wrote:I would rather someone who is willfully uninformed stay home. ÂMurz wrote:joeglow wrote:This is still making my PlSS boil. Â It is a CLEAR example of how far gone our political structure is. Â A LOT of people (D’s AND R’s) treat politics like a football game and are more interested in their side winning than actually looking at who is the best candidate in their mind. Â I vote for Ben Nelson and Jim Esch because I think they are the best people for their job (regardless of their political affiliation). Â Yet, these uninformed idiots will march into a poll COMPLETELY clueless about what either candidate stands for and vote for “their” party so they can root for “their” team.
I am sorry, but NO ONE with a single ounce of brain matter could look at what the two candidates offered up in the last 6 months and think Suttle deserves anything more than a street-sweeper position. Â They clearly did not give 2 SHlTS about the future of Omaha.
JoeGlow - While I agree with the first part of your statement, the second part seems a little off. I will never question peoples decisions when they take their time to vote. Whether they choose your candidate or the other, that's their business and not yours. You say the people that voted for Suttle don't care about Omaha? I would say the 69% of registered voters, who didn't make it out to the polls, are the ones who don't really care...wouldn't you agree?
I have asked people who voted for Suttle to tell why, other than his political affiliation or him not being Daub. Â No one could give a reason.
You want people to vote based on issues? Do you realize some who voted in the last Presidential election voted based on skin color?
Of the 49%, I did not say they are uninformed. Â My original post said they just don't give a |expletive| about looking at anything in regards to their positions beyond their political affiliation.
I will just let it go here. I'm not going to get into a pissing match about an election for Mayor of Omaha. From what I saw of the 2, the 69% that stayed home will have more to do with the future sculpting of Omaha. Enjoy!
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Joeglow- I completely agree. Everyone I asked who voted for Suttle said they did so because, "Daub is a grease ball." When asked what they liked about Suttle, they couldn't provide one point. One of my friends cringed when I said I wanted Daub to win. When I asked why they thought Suttle would be better, they said, "Because Daub is old."
Win or loose you need take things in stride and move forward. Â Sitting on these forums complaining about a loss isn't going to fix anything now, the election is over. Â The best thing anyone can do is get a hold of Suttle's email and let him know what you expect from him as mayor and hold him accountable. Â Arguing about the past and things you can not change at this point is pointless.
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When is he going to start his internet polling?Brad wrote:Win or loose you need take things in stride and move forward. Sitting on these forums complaining about a loss isn't going to fix anything now, the election is over. The best thing anyone can do is get a hold of Suttle's email and let him know what you expect from him as mayor and hold him accountable. Arguing about the past and things you can not change at this point is pointless.
While I don't like the outcome of the election, I agree with this. Its our job as citizens to now keep in Suttle's ear about things we want to see get done like the streetcar, etc.Brad wrote:Win or loose you need take things in stride and move forward. Sitting on these forums complaining about a loss isn't going to fix anything now, the election is over. The best thing anyone can do is get a hold of Suttle's email and let him know what you expect from him as mayor and hold him accountable. Arguing about the past and things you can not change at this point is pointless.
Speaking of Suttle and streetcars:
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There must be some tinpot dictatorship in central Africa that you would be more comfortable living in, judging from a comment like that. Â I am sorry we didn't just name you King of Aksarben. Â You would fit right in with the country club set.joeglow wrote:Too many ignorant idiots who can't be bothered with looking at candidate's positions are allowed to vote in Omaha.
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Published Wednesday May 13, 2009
Voters give City Hall a Democratic slant
The Suttle administration and the Democratic-led council that will start setting up new offices at City Hall are likely to be pro-business.
Suttle touted his experience as a businessman throughout the campaign. Festersen has worked for the Greater Omaha Chamber of Commerce and the Peter Kiewit Foundation, served on the Omaha Planning Board and works as a consultant for Alegent Health.
Gray's campaign received substantial support from major civic benefactors. Jerram is an attorney who emphasized his experience as a partner in the Kelley & Jerram law firm.
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2 ... d=10632954
Published Wednesday May 13, 2009
Voters give City Hall a Democratic slant
The Suttle administration and the Democratic-led council that will start setting up new offices at City Hall are likely to be pro-business.
Suttle touted his experience as a businessman throughout the campaign. Festersen has worked for the Greater Omaha Chamber of Commerce and the Peter Kiewit Foundation, served on the Omaha Planning Board and works as a consultant for Alegent Health.
Gray's campaign received substantial support from major civic benefactors. Jerram is an attorney who emphasized his experience as a partner in the Kelley & Jerram law firm.
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I can't stand my 'gut -feelings' sometimes..
As I suspected last night, Suttle would win, and by a slim margin..
I supported Daub and voted for him. One of the only 31% of registered city of Omaha residents who took the time to vote..
To me, that's among the most outrageous things about this past election day. As I previously stated, when I went to vote at 12 noon yesterday, I was the ONLY one there to actually vote (my polling place is an elementary school)..
In any case, after digesting this result for nearly 24 hours, I'm still left with the uneasy feeling that 37,000+ Omahans made a BIG mistake voting in Jim Suttle for mayor. The man is waaaaay out there in pluto-land and really has not unveiled any specific plans to tackle any of the challenges our next mayor must meet head on..
Some include-
*a billion plus required sewer project..
*City police/firefighter contracts and pensions..
*Working with the Chamber to create jobs city wide in the midst of a recession..
*Keeping Omaha competitive for these said jobs by attracting new companies to move into the market, and encourage current Omaha area companies to expand locally..
*Building a relationship with MECA and dealing with North DT ballpark issues..
*Qwest Center and hotel debt..
And the list goes on and on..
Presently, I just don't get the sense that Suttle is equipped to navigate through these issues with much success. And I hope I'm wrong, because Omaha NEEDS him to be a successful mayor..
I also share many of the other sentiments posted here as it relates to people voting for Suttle because they 'hated' Daub etc. There is no question that Suttle garnered many votes from uninformed Omahans who simply hated Daub. I give Jim credit for that. Suttle, at minimum, threw as much money at this election as Daub did. And the message presented was just enough to get him elected mayor..
If someone would have told me last Summer that come May 12th, 2009, Omaha would elect Jim Suttle as our next mayor, I would have laughed right in their face..
Unfortunately, the joke is on me. And the future of Omaha appears on shaky ground..SERIOUSLY..
D'Shawn, maybe it is time to make that move to Chicago or New York after all..
..Ciao..LiO....Peace
As I suspected last night, Suttle would win, and by a slim margin..
I supported Daub and voted for him. One of the only 31% of registered city of Omaha residents who took the time to vote..
To me, that's among the most outrageous things about this past election day. As I previously stated, when I went to vote at 12 noon yesterday, I was the ONLY one there to actually vote (my polling place is an elementary school)..
In any case, after digesting this result for nearly 24 hours, I'm still left with the uneasy feeling that 37,000+ Omahans made a BIG mistake voting in Jim Suttle for mayor. The man is waaaaay out there in pluto-land and really has not unveiled any specific plans to tackle any of the challenges our next mayor must meet head on..
Some include-
*a billion plus required sewer project..
*City police/firefighter contracts and pensions..
*Working with the Chamber to create jobs city wide in the midst of a recession..
*Keeping Omaha competitive for these said jobs by attracting new companies to move into the market, and encourage current Omaha area companies to expand locally..
*Building a relationship with MECA and dealing with North DT ballpark issues..
*Qwest Center and hotel debt..
And the list goes on and on..
Presently, I just don't get the sense that Suttle is equipped to navigate through these issues with much success. And I hope I'm wrong, because Omaha NEEDS him to be a successful mayor..
I also share many of the other sentiments posted here as it relates to people voting for Suttle because they 'hated' Daub etc. There is no question that Suttle garnered many votes from uninformed Omahans who simply hated Daub. I give Jim credit for that. Suttle, at minimum, threw as much money at this election as Daub did. And the message presented was just enough to get him elected mayor..
If someone would have told me last Summer that come May 12th, 2009, Omaha would elect Jim Suttle as our next mayor, I would have laughed right in their face..
Unfortunately, the joke is on me. And the future of Omaha appears on shaky ground..SERIOUSLY..
D'Shawn, maybe it is time to make that move to Chicago or New York after all..
..Ciao..LiO....Peace
Go Cowboys!
Yeah, because letting idiots run the village is the civilized thing to do.nativeomahan wrote:There must be some tinpot dictatorship in central Africa that you would be more comfortable living in, judging from a comment like that. I am sorry we didn't just name you King of Aksarben. You would fit right in with the country club set.joeglow wrote:Too many ignorant idiots who can't be bothered with looking at candidate's positions are allowed to vote in Omaha.
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Suttle doesn't seem too bright when he speaks, but his stance on issues as told from his web-site seem to imply that he has some high intentions for the city; at least more so than the tired old fixing of the pot holes and throwing more money at the schools.
He wants to promote green living and green living equals LRTs. He also has a background in transportation planning. Give him some time and maybe he'll redeem himself.
I wasn't too happy about Fahey being elected either, but I was 14 at the time and all I knew of him was that he preferred the short Hilton Hotel to the taller Marriott. But he turned out to be an excellent mayor.
Maybe I'm wrong and should stop trying to be optimistic, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt first.
He wants to promote green living and green living equals LRTs. He also has a background in transportation planning. Give him some time and maybe he'll redeem himself.
I wasn't too happy about Fahey being elected either, but I was 14 at the time and all I knew of him was that he preferred the short Hilton Hotel to the taller Marriott. But he turned out to be an excellent mayor.
Maybe I'm wrong and should stop trying to be optimistic, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt first.
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#1) Lets not get carried away here :;): .. In evaluating Fahey's entire 8 year time as mayor, I'd rate his performance as being on the plus side of average. Somewhere between average and good..TitosBuritoBarn wrote:
#1) I wasn't too happy about Fahey being elected either, but I was 14 at the time and all I knew of him was that he preferred the short Hilton Hotel to the taller Marriott. But he turned out to be an excellent mayor.
#2) Maybe I'm wrong and should stop trying to be optimistic, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt first.
#2) You're wise to be both optimistic and give the benefit of the doubt..
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As unhappy as I am about the results of this election, it's over and done with now. Suttle is our mayor and I'll get behind him 100% as I want the best for our city. I plan on being as proactive as possible and will be vocal about any decisions Mayor Suttle makes that I don't agree with, but I hope he has a great run.
That being said, Mr. Suttle, please don't go and start cutting police recruitment (which would keep me in Florida even longer). Â :(
That being said, Mr. Suttle, please don't go and start cutting police recruitment (which would keep me in Florida even longer). Â :(