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Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:23 pm

The Omaha metro ranks a very healthy 52nd in Gross Domestic Product for 2015 at $59,090 million.. Ahead of Buffalo NY, Tulsa OK, Tucson AZ and Albuquerque NM among others..

From bea.gov-

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regiona ... ro0916.pdf

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:39 pm

Thanks for posting.

Here are some city ranks:

Omaha: 52
Kansas City: 29
Lincoln: 126
Des Moines: 61
Sioux Falls: 127
Cedar Rapids, IA : 131

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:14 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:Thanks for posting.

Here are some city ranks:

Omaha: 52
Kansas City: 29
Lincoln: 126
Des Moines: 61
Sioux Falls: 127
Cedar Rapids, IA : 131


You're welcome my friend.. This is excellent news for Omaha and an indicator of a strong economy. This news is more important than some may realize..

Plus, I'm a big time numbers and stats nerd for stuff like this :thumb: ...

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby daveoma » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:44 pm

Ahead of Des Moines...YES! ! ! :D

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:51 am

daveoma wrote:Ahead of Des Moines...YES! ! ! :D

Well of course. We are a pretty good amount larger than them.

While it's great to have some competition between our cities I feel like there's too much focus between us and them for some reason even though there are cities that are more comparitable for both of our cities. I see this pissing match on their site all the time too. And they love to come onto ours and pull off some of our comments and then talk |expletive| about us. Dave, you actually were recently mentioned there.

I know there is some inferiority about them having a better skyline but overall I'd say we are ahead by a lot and I'm not really worried about them ever passing us up. Don't get me wrong - I think they are a great and cool city with lots going for them. They are just not really on the same level - especially when you look at the events that come to our cities, Fortune 500 & 1000 companies, infrastructure, etc. I know they hit above their belt in many areas and that's awesome. But so do we and even though they've managed to get ahead for the time being in some areas I feel like in the long run we are better off.

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby daveoma » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:59 am

I don't wish bad things on Des Moines, and I don't think Omaha is superior--although my preference is quite clear. I think comparing Omaha to other regional cities gives us a good gauge for what we are doing well and which areas need improvement.

I think Des Moines has some things going for it that Omaha can learn from: cleaner streets, a downtown that is more thoughtfully designed, more progressive politics, and their median income is higher than Omaha's so it's more wealthy per capita.

That being said I think anything is possible and in the future I would like to see Omaha maintain its place in the region.

As for being a celebrity on the Des Moines forum, I really can't be held responsible for that. I've never said anything disparaging about Des Moines beyond my own personal experiences. Hopefully some good ideas and thoughtful conversations will result!

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby MadMartin8 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:16 pm

I'd be curious to see the GDP per capita, which is a better measure generally.

I think Des Moines has some things going for it that Omaha can learn from: cleaner streets, a downtown that is more thoughtfully designed


Des Moines downtown more thoughtfully designed? Aside from the Sky-walks, how exactly?
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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby HR Paperstacks » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:37 pm

daveoma wrote:As for being a celebrity on the Des Moines forum, I really can't be held responsible for that. I've never said anything disparaging about Des Moines beyond my own personal experiences. Hopefully some good ideas and thoughtful conversations will result!

Sorry, I'm not saying you did anything wrong. Just saying some on there tend to take comments from here they may not like and then attack us on it. Just letting you know that you came up in one discussion. And I'm sure this will probably cause me to be brought up now...

Anyways the main point is the pissing match gets a little tiring - especially some on here who whine because they have some prospective towers in the works and we don't. Their momentum will wind down as the market gets saturated and the tables may likely change at that point. I think both of our cities go through cycles like that and now is just not our time. I'm guessing we'll see things start going our way next decade.

I do like when we list out comparisons of our regional peer cities because you are right about it being a gauge. But I personally could do without the booyahs.

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:23 pm

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daveoma wrote:Ahead of Des Moines...YES! ! ! :D

Well of course. We are a pretty good amount larger than them.

While it's great to have some competition between our cities I feel like there's too much focus between us and them for some reason even though there are cities that are more comparitable for both of our cities.

They are just not really on the same level


This..

And another reason in my opening post, I mentioned a few cities which I consider Omaha's true peers- Buffalo, Tulsa, Tuscon, Albuquerque (there are others).. And Omaha out ranks them all in GDP..

Des Moines is a fine metro in its own right..and truly punches above its weight.. But so does Omaha. And with Omaha being a full 300,000 larger, I don't necessarily consider them a true peer.. But the reality is, they are the major metros in each of their (neighboring) states and only 130 miles apart.. The comparisons between the 2 are inevitable.. Especially from city boosters on both sides...

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby daveoma » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:09 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote:
daveoma wrote:As for being a celebrity on the Des Moines forum, I really can't be held responsible for that. I've never said anything disparaging about Des Moines beyond my own personal experiences. Hopefully some good ideas and thoughtful conversations will result!

Sorry, I'm not saying you did anything wrong. Just saying some on there tend to take comments from here they may not like and then attack us on it. Just letting you know that you came up in one discussion. And I'm sure this will probably cause me to be brought up now...

Anyways the main point is the pissing match gets a little tiring - especially some on here who whine because they have some prospective towers in the works and we don't. Their momentum will wind down as the market gets saturated and the tables may likely change at that point. I think both of our cities go through cycles like that and now is just not our time. I'm guessing we'll see things start going our way next decade.

I do like when we list out comparisons of our regional peer cities because you are right about it being a gauge. But I personally could do without the booyahs.


Sorry about that HR, I was being sarcastic. I think it's hilarious that someone in Des Moines forum would be offended at anything I've said about the city--especially because I can't think of anything truly worthy of offense. I'm going to look for this in the Des Moines forum now :-)

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby lisanstan » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:07 pm

I don't consider "cleaner downtown" a positive for Des Moines. I did not like the vibe at all. It felt too sanitized and disney-fied. I like a little grunge with my urban center.

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:26 pm

lisanstan wrote:I don't consider "cleaner downtown" a positive for Des Moines. I did not like the vibe at all. It felt too sanitized and disney-fied. I like a little grunge with my urban center.


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Postby guy4omaha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:19 pm

MadMartin8 wrote:I'd be curious to see the GDP per capita, which is a better measure generally.


I was curious about the same thing, so I divided the GDP by the MSA Population. And to make it a more tangible number (to me at least)I multiplied the result by 100. I didn't think real hard on my methodology so it might be all wrong. But here is a sampling of the results I computed for the top 200 MSAs.

Omaha: 6.4557 (GDP/capita); 36 (Rank)
Albuquerque, NM: 4.7033 117
Birmingham-Hoover, AL: 5.5936 64
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY: 4.973 97
Cedar Rapids, IA: 6.8298 25
Colorado Springs, CO: 4.2774; 152
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL: 5.0940 88
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO: 6.8639 23
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA: 7.4742 13
Jacksonville, FL: 4.6608 120
Kansas City, MO-KS: 6.0177 46
Lincoln, NE: 5.8017 56
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR: 5.3676 75
Memphis, TN-MS-AR: 5.3029 77
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI: 6.4864 33
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington: 7.0584 20
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN: 6.2109 41
New Orleans-Metairie, LA: 6.2142 40
Oklahoma City, OK: 5.3015 78
Sioux Falls, SD: 7.4357 15
St. Louis, MO-IL: 5.5156 69
Tucson, AZ: 3.5834 186
Tulsa, OK: 5.5661 65
Wichita, KS: 4.8825 105

If you combine the Omaha and Lincoln MSAs: 6.2849 37

I don't know if the link here will work but it is to the spreadsheet that compares population, GDP and Nielsen DMAs. (Don't get me started on DMAs.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... GC4TCv2QHQ
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Postby daveoma » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:58 pm

Fascinating analysis!

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:12 pm

guy4omaha wrote:
MadMartin8 wrote:I'd be curious to see the GDP per capita, which is a better measure generally.


I was curious about the same thing, so I divided the GDP by the MSA Population. And to make it a more tangible number (to me at least)I multiplied the result by 100. I didn't think real hard on my methodology so it might be all wrong. But here is a sampling of the results I computed for the top 200 MSAs.

Omaha: 6.4557 (GDP/capita); 36 (Rank)
Albuquerque, NM: 4.7033 117
Birmingham-Hoover, AL: 5.5936 64
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY: 4.973 97
Cedar Rapids, IA: 6.8298 25
Colorado Springs, CO: 4.2774; 152
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL: 5.0940 88
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO: 6.8639 23
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA: 7.4742 13
Jacksonville, FL: 4.6608 120
Kansas City, MO-KS: 6.0177 46
Lincoln, NE: 5.8017 56
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR: 5.3676 75
Memphis, TN-MS-AR: 5.3029 77
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI: 6.4864 33
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington: 7.0584 20
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN: 6.2109 41
New Orleans-Metairie, LA: 6.2142 40
Oklahoma City, OK: 5.3015 78
Sioux Falls, SD: 7.4357 15
St. Louis, MO-IL: 5.5156 69
Tucson, AZ: 3.5834 186
Tulsa, OK: 5.5661 65
Wichita, KS: 4.8825 105

If you combine the Omaha and Lincoln MSAs: 6.2849 37

I don't know if the link here will work but it is to the spreadsheet that compares population, GDP and Nielsen DMAs. (Don't get me started on DMAs.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... GC4TCv2QHQ


Great stuff Guy. Thanks for the time and effort. Bravo! :thumb: ...

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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby MadMartin8 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:53 am

guy4omaha wrote:
MadMartin8 wrote:I'd be curious to see the GDP per capita, which is a better measure generally.


I was curious about the same thing, so I divided the GDP by the MSA Population. And to make it a more tangible number (to me at least)I multiplied the result by 100. I didn't think real hard on my methodology so it might be all wrong. But here is a sampling of the results I computed for the top 200 MSAs.

Omaha: 6.4557 (GDP/capita); 36 (Rank)
Albuquerque, NM: 4.7033 117
Birmingham-Hoover, AL: 5.5936 64
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY: 4.973 97
Cedar Rapids, IA: 6.8298 25
Colorado Springs, CO: 4.2774; 152
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL: 5.0940 88
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO: 6.8639 23
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA: 7.4742 13
Jacksonville, FL: 4.6608 120
Kansas City, MO-KS: 6.0177 46
Lincoln, NE: 5.8017 56
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR: 5.3676 75
Memphis, TN-MS-AR: 5.3029 77
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI: 6.4864 33
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington: 7.0584 20
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN: 6.2109 41
New Orleans-Metairie, LA: 6.2142 40
Oklahoma City, OK: 5.3015 78
Sioux Falls, SD: 7.4357 15
St. Louis, MO-IL: 5.5156 69
Tucson, AZ: 3.5834 186
Tulsa, OK: 5.5661 65
Wichita, KS: 4.8825 105

If you combine the Omaha and Lincoln MSAs: 6.2849 37

I don't know if the link here will work but it is to the spreadsheet that compares population, GDP and Nielsen DMAs. (Don't get me started on DMAs.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... GC4TCv2QHQ



That shakes out just about as I would imagine (I assume the results are in 10s of thousands?), with Des Moines surpassing Omaha quite easily; what DOES surprise me is Cedar Rapids and Sioux Falls being so high.
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Re: Omaha metro ranks 52nd in 2015 GDP...

Postby guy4omaha » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:48 am

MadMartin8 wrote:
guy4omaha wrote:
MadMartin8 wrote:I'd be curious to see the GDP per capita, which is a better measure generally.


I was curious about the same thing, so I divided the GDP by the MSA Population. And to make it a more tangible number (to me at least)I multiplied the result by 100. I didn't think real hard on my methodology so it might be all wrong. But here is a sampling of the results I computed for the top 200 MSAs.

Omaha: 6.4557 (GDP/capita); 36 (Rank)
Albuquerque, NM: 4.7033 117
Birmingham-Hoover, AL: 5.5936 64
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY: 4.973 97
Cedar Rapids, IA: 6.8298 25
Colorado Springs, CO: 4.2774; 152
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL: 5.0940 88
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO: 6.8639 23
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA: 7.4742 13
Jacksonville, FL: 4.6608 120
Kansas City, MO-KS: 6.0177 46
Lincoln, NE: 5.8017 56
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR: 5.3676 75
Memphis, TN-MS-AR: 5.3029 77
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI: 6.4864 33
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington: 7.0584 20
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN: 6.2109 41
New Orleans-Metairie, LA: 6.2142 40
Oklahoma City, OK: 5.3015 78
Sioux Falls, SD: 7.4357 15
St. Louis, MO-IL: 5.5156 69
Tucson, AZ: 3.5834 186
Tulsa, OK: 5.5661 65
Wichita, KS: 4.8825 105

If you combine the Omaha and Lincoln MSAs: 6.2849 37

I don't know if the link here will work but it is to the spreadsheet that compares population, GDP and Nielsen DMAs. (Don't get me started on DMAs.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... GC4TCv2QHQ



That shakes out just about as I would imagine (I assume the results are in 10s of thousands?), with Des Moines surpassing Omaha quite easily; what DOES surprise me is Cedar Rapids and Sioux Falls being so high.


Assuming what I say next has some elements of truth, Cedar Falls and Sioux City don't really surprise me.

Cedar Rapids has always had a heavy concentration of industry and recently has pulled in some insurance and financial companies too. Sioux Falls was making big headlines a few years (decades?) back when CitiCorp placed big operations there and several other financials followed. Of course this is all on a per capita basis.
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