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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby cp jay 07 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:29 am

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How does Werner compare to other AAA parks? I saw they had a couple of sellouts this year that topped 9,000. I like the park. But they aren't without their problems.



With the players themselves it compares very low, on the Vegas, New Orleans level. I talked to one AAA player once who told me coming to Werner is like going back to Single A ball with its size and how the dugouts are not connected to the club houses.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby skinzfan23 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:55 am

Final attendance for the series was 341,667 (3rd highest all-time). Average attendance for the 17 games was 20,098.

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Postby PobodysNerfect » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:53 am

I find it kind of funny how much backlash there is for an event that was still fun for the games I went to. Yes they can always do things better and there are legitimate gripes, communication and weather can always be tough but again, that's a legitimate complaint.

But for attendance it wasn't that bad. It wasn't the first game to do 10K on an "if necessary" game. I remember going to games in the last 90's and early 2000's where crowds seemed sparse as well. Also, things like attendance will hit lulls now and then, again, it has in years past at Rosenblatt as well, it's not going to sell out every session every year. It was hot as heck outside and there were a few teams that don't travel well. Still averaging 20K+ per game is fantastic, especially for college baseball. I think this is something Omaha and the community do great at and the out of town people I talked to all had great things to say.

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Re: TD Ameritrade Park Omaha

Postby PobodysNerfect » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:20 pm

omaha79 wrote:The "if needed game" point is valid, but there have been plenty of "if needed" games over the years. I can't remember a single one prior to this that had an announced attendance at 40% of the ballparks capacity.


2012, Thursday June 21st had a 12,295 game.
2010, Saturday June 26th (If nec games) had attendance of 10,907 and 12,593
2008, Saturday the 21st 12,581, Sunday June 22nd had 15,125, that year on June 20th (game 10) drew 30,553 to contrast.

I'm not going to go dig up the last 25 years, I'm just illustrating a point to contrast all the people yelling about the sky falling. Attendance always goes up and down. To counter you point

omaha79 wrote: I'd just like to see a comparable game from the Rosenblatt days where the announced attendance for an "if necessary" game was as low as 9k. I can't remember one, at least in the last 25 years. If there was a game that poorly attended, I'm guessing it might have been in the 1980's or earlier.


The three examples I gave were all recent. Looks like Rosenblatt in 2010 had a 10K and 12K, i'd say that's pretty poorly attended and close to that 9K number this year. Not trying to argue, just trying to get people to use the actual numbers. Just because you can't remember ones that drew poorly doesn't mean they didn't exist. Sure at Rosenblatt the capacity was officially listed at 23,145, but in 2010 when they drew 10,907 (still under HALF of official capacity), they drew 24,390 and 24,180 for other games. A lot of factors (teams, travel, weather/heat/rain) go into it. Attendance is fine and the CWS is still something to be proud of.

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Postby Brad » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:25 pm

Thanks for digging up those numbers, they are really appreciated!
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Re: TD Ameritrade Park Omaha

Postby Omaha Cowboy » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:27 pm

PobodysNerfect wrote:
omaha79 wrote:The "if needed game" point is valid, but there have been plenty of "if needed" games over the years. I can't remember a single one prior to this that had an announced attendance at 40% of the ballparks capacity.


2012, Thursday June 21st had a 12,295 game.
2010, Saturday June 26th (If nec games) had attendance of 10,907 and 12,593
2008, Saturday the 21st 12,581, Sunday June 22nd had 15,125, that year on June 20th (game 10) drew 30,553 to contrast.

I'm not going to go dig up the last 25 years, I'm just illustrating a point to contrast all the people yelling about the sky falling. Attendance always goes up and down.

The three examples I gave were all recent. Looks like Rosenblatt in 2010 had a 10K and 12K, i'd say that's pretty poorly attended and close to that 9K number this year. Not trying to argue, just trying to get people to use the actual numbers. Just because you can't remember ones that drew poorly doesn't mean they didn't exist. Sure at Rosenblatt the capacity was officially listed at 23,145, but in 2010 when they drew 10,907 (still under HALF of official capacity), they drew 24,390 and 24,180 for other games. A lot of factors (teams, travel, weather/heat/rain) go into it. Attendance is fine and the CWS is still something to be proud of.


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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby GRANDPASMUCKER » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:03 pm

skinzfan23 wrote:Final attendance for the series was 341,667 (3rd highest all-time). Average attendance for the 17 games was 20,098.


People better take off the rose colored glasses. Those numbers and 2 nickels are worth about a dime. We all saw the empty seats. We all saw how poorly they promoted this CWS just assuming the sheeple would come because they always have. We all saw the incompetency of the bogus rain delay and then postponing of the game to noon the next day. What a total lack of respect for the fans and players that they made them go home like little kids and then come back the next day. You can put lip stick on that pig all you want but at the end of the day......well you know. This thing is loosing its fizz and they better wake up and realize it and get back to promoting it or its going to get ugly. You do know once the herd gets spooked in one direction its hard to turn them around again don't you?

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby bigredmed » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:56 pm

GRANDPASMUCKER wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:Final attendance for the series was 341,667 (3rd highest all-time). Average attendance for the 17 games was 20,098.


People better take off the rose colored glasses. Those numbers and 2 nickels are worth about a dime. We all saw the empty seats. We all saw how poorly they promoted this CWS just assuming the sheeple would come because they always have. We all saw the incompetency of the bogus rain delay and then postponing of the game to noon the next day. What a total lack of respect for the fans and players that they made them go home like little kids and then come back the next day. You can put lip stick on that pig all you want but at the end of the day......well you know. This thing is loosing its fizz and they better wake up and realize it and get back to promoting it or its going to get ugly. You do know once the herd gets spooked in one direction its hard to turn them around again don't you?


Anyone who thinks for two seconds that the NCAA cares about Omaha is making a terrible mistake.
The GA seat thing was the first
Then the ban on tailgating thing
Then the moving Dingerville to CB
Then the moving out of the Blatt
Then the commercialization of the area around the stadium
Then the wind storm during the home run derby (We Skywarn spotters were 20 minutes ahead of the professional forecasters, and the NCAA and ESPN knew there was dangerous weather 20 min out, yet because they wanted more video, wouldn't clear the stadium till the wind was on them and all the fans were now in danger.)
Now the rain delay with a noon game to follow (at least they don't make the same mistake twice.)

At some point, you have to realize that the people who run this are parasitic and only want to suck blood out of the host city and then move on.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Greg S » Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:28 pm

bigredmed wrote:
GRANDPASMUCKER wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:Final attendance for the series was 341,667 (3rd highest all-time). Average attendance for the 17 games was 20,098.


People better take off the rose colored glasses. Those numbers and 2 nickels are worth about a dime. We all saw the empty seats. We all saw how poorly they promoted this CWS just assuming the sheeple would come because they always have. We all saw the incompetency of the bogus rain delay and then postponing of the game to noon the next day. What a total lack of respect for the fans and players that they made them go home like little kids and then come back the next day. You can put lip stick on that pig all you want but at the end of the day......well you know. This thing is loosing its fizz and they better wake up and realize it and get back to promoting it or its going to get ugly. You do know once the herd gets spooked in one direction its hard to turn them around again don't you?


Anyone who thinks for two seconds that the NCAA cares about Omaha is making a terrible mistake.
The GA seat thing was the first
Then the ban on tailgating thing
Then the moving Dingerville to CB
Then the moving out of the Blatt
Then the commercialization of the area around the stadium
Then the wind storm during the home run derby (We Skywarn spotters were 20 minutes ahead of the professional forecasters, and the NCAA and ESPN knew there was dangerous weather 20 min out, yet because they wanted more video, wouldn't clear the stadium till the wind was on them and all the fans were now in danger.)
Now the rain delay with a noon game to follow (at least they don't make the same mistake twice.)

At some point, you have to realize that the people who run this are parasitic and only want to suck blood out of the host city and then move on.



What happened with the GA seats?

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby bigredmed » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:03 pm

There was a time when the books of GA seat tickets got you a real seat. You could go to your car and come back, you could tailgate. You could cash in your GA ticket and move to the main stadium that day.

They started selling non specific GA tix. Instead of a pack of 10, one for each game, they started selling non-specific tix. Then everyone who bought them started showing up just for the good games. The CWS handled this by making GA tix not a guarantee a seat.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby choke » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:30 pm

GRANDPASMUCKER wrote:
skinzfan23 wrote:Final attendance for the series was 341,667 (3rd highest all-time). Average attendance for the 17 games was 20,098.


People better take off the rose colored glasses. Those numbers and 2 nickels are worth about a dime. We all saw the empty seats. We all saw how poorly they promoted this CWS just assuming the sheeple would come because they always have. We all saw the incompetency of the bogus rain delay and then postponing of the game to noon the next day. What a total lack of respect for the fans and players that they made them go home like little kids and then come back the next day. You can put lip stick on that pig all you want but at the end of the day......well you know. This thing is loosing its fizz and they better wake up and realize it and get back to promoting it or its going to get ugly. You do know once the herd gets spooked in one direction its hard to turn them around again don't you?


Omaha needs to have some serious talks about moving the fence in. Omaha kinda took it on the chin when the NCAA altered the bats. It was too many home runs at Rosenblatt but definitely not enough at TD. Outfielders and pitchers don't even have to play the potential home run ball at TD. That changes the whole game and not for the good.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Brad » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:45 pm

choke wrote:Omaha needs to have some serious talks about moving the fence in. Omaha kinda took it on the chin when the NCAA altered the bats. It was too many home runs at Rosenblatt but definitely not enough at TD. Outfielders and pitchers don't even have to play the potential home run ball at TD. That changes the whole game and not for the good.


Don't you remember, we absolutely had to have the same field dimensions as Rosenblatt... LOL!

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby cp jay 07 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:20 am

bigredmed wrote:There was a time when the books of GA seat tickets got you a real seat. You could go to your car and come back, you could tailgate. You could cash in your GA ticket and move to the main stadium that day.


Just so you know you can still do all of this. You can still exchange your GA seat for a reserved seat if available. You can still tailgate in Lot B or Lot D. And There is still one re entry in the GA section per session.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby mrsticka » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:53 am

Why is the College World Series 8 teams and the MLB's only 2? How come the College World Series isn't 2 teams like the MLB?

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Re: 2016 CWS

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mrsticka wrote:Why is the College World Series 8 teams and the MLB's only 2? How come the College World Series isn't 2 teams like the MLB?


Look at the bigger picture. There are 32 team that make the "playoffs" in College

There are 10 teams that make the playoffs for MLB
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Re: 2016 CWS

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nebugeater wrote:
mrsticka wrote:Why is the College World Series 8 teams and the MLB's only 2? How come the College World Series isn't 2 teams like the MLB?


Look at the bigger picture. There are 32 team that make the "playoffs" in College

There are 10 teams that make the playoffs for MLB


Out of 295 NCAA baseball teams 64 make the playoffs (22%)
Out of 30 MLB teams 10 make the playoffs (33%)

And out of 6,500 Little League teams 96 make the playoffs. (.015%)
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Re: 2016 CWS

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Coyote wrote:
nebugeater wrote:
mrsticka wrote:Why is the College World Series 8 teams and the MLB's only 2? How come the College World Series isn't 2 teams like the MLB?


Look at the bigger picture. There are 32 team that make the "playoffs" in College

There are 10 teams that make the playoffs for MLB


Out of 295 NCAA baseball teams 64 make the playoffs (22%)
Out of 30 MLB teams 10 make the playoffs (33%)

And out of 6,500 Little League teams 96 make the playoffs. (.015%)


You and nebugeater hit the nail on the head as it relates to answering his question..

But don't you know the CWS is in imminent peril?.. What with all the empty seats this year :;): ...

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Re: 2016 CWS

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They just put on a show at the Home Run Derby, the kid from ETSU, Owenby just hit the second most in the derby history, and the Freshman from Houston was just one behind.
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I was asking a valid, legitimate question. All these years I never knew why that was.

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Re: 2016 CWS

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mrsticka wrote:I was asking a valid, legitimate question. All these years I never knew why that was.



It really boils down to playing a playoff elimination tournament where the final rounds are in one location rather than spread across multiple locations. The Regionals and Super Regionals all play in to this at other locations.
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Re: 2016 CWS

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nebugeater wrote:
mrsticka wrote:I was asking a valid, legitimate question. All these years I never knew why that was.



It really boils down to playing a playoff elimination tournament where the final rounds are in one location rather than spread across multiple locations. The Regionals and Super Regionals all play in to this at other locations.


You can sort of say the same thing about the March Madness NCAA College Basketball Tournament as well.. The 1st/2nd rounds, then the Regionals all play at different locations, but once you get to the Final 4/Championship game, it's always at the same location (although that location changes every year)..

And mrsticka, I know you were simply asking a legitimate question.. The comment in my last post was directed at the sentiment some have that because there were empty seats at games this year, the CWS is somehow in trouble :)...

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby mrsticka » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:38 am

If there's no College World Series, how will they determine a champion?

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mrsticka wrote:If there's no College World Series, how will they determine a champion?


Prolly the same way they determined the college football champion for many years.

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Omababe wrote:
mrsticka wrote:If there's no College World Series, how will they determine a champion?


Prolly the same way they determined the college football champion for many years.


How about a home run shoot out :;):
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Re: 2016 CWS

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choke wrote:Omaha needs to have some serious talks about moving the fence in. Omaha kinda took it on the chin when the NCAA altered the bats. It was too many home runs at Rosenblatt but definitely not enough at TD. Outfielders and pitchers don't even have to play the potential home run ball at TD. That changes the whole game and not for the good.


Don't you remember, we absolutely had to have the same field dimensions as Rosenblatt... LOL!

Posted a bunchy of photos over in the photo section, includes several aerial photos of the CWS.
http://www.eomahaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17994



But the 2 parks don't play the same. We changed the orientation of the field (so the ball going with and against the wind is different), plus Rosenblatt was up on the hill, where as TD is sunk down low.

Even with the new bats, Rosenblatt was fine. With the new baseball TD had more runs last year but this year was not the case. Has there been a HR hit to dead center during the CWS?

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby nebugeater » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:55 am

Anyone know how the little rental tail gate huts went over? Where they all rented out for every day? DId they get used a lot? Anyone go to any tailgate in one that posts here?
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Re: 2016 CWS

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Coyote wrote:
Omababe wrote:
mrsticka wrote:If there's no College World Series, how will they determine a champion?


Prolly the same way they determined the college football champion for many years.


How about a home run shoot out :;):

Yeah, okay. You guys are just being sarcastic.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby iamjacobm » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:34 pm

CWS has 8 teams b/c they play a double elimination tournament. MLB plays head to head 7 game series.

College and pro baseball are different in a number of ways. This is just one of them.

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nebugeater wrote:Anyone know how the little rental tail gate huts went over? Where they all rented out for every day? DId they get used a lot? Anyone go to any tailgate in one that posts here?



Was curious on this too. Thought it was a good idea. So many people had purchased houses near Rosenblatt just to use during the CWS, this might be similar. They were looking at these for Husker games too a year or so ago. Dumb question, did they have bathrooms?

From what they said on 1620, the Ferris wheel under performed and will most likely be a 1 and done.

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Greg S wrote:
Brad wrote:
choke wrote:Omaha needs to have some serious talks about moving the fence in. Omaha kinda took it on the chin when the NCAA altered the bats. It was too many home runs at Rosenblatt but definitely not enough at TD. Outfielders and pitchers don't even have to play the potential home run ball at TD. That changes the whole game and not for the good.


Don't you remember, we absolutely had to have the same field dimensions as Rosenblatt... LOL!

Posted a bunchy of photos over in the photo section, includes several aerial photos of the CWS.
http://www.eomahaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17994



But the 2 parks don't play the same. We changed the orientation of the field (so the ball going with and against the wind is different), plus Rosenblatt was up on the hill, where as TD is sunk down low.

Even with the new bats, Rosenblatt was fine. With the new baseball TD had more runs last year but this year was not the case. Has there been a HR hit to dead center during the CWS?

Greg


They're gonna have to move the fence in. Fahey got out while the gettin' was good. What a blunder.

Same with the ferris wheel. Needs to be moved in. What a terrible spot they put it in.

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Postby PobodysNerfect » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:46 am

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But the 2 parks don't play the same. We changed the orientation of the field (so the ball going with and against the wind is different), plus Rosenblatt was up on the hill, where as TD is sunk down low.

Even with the new bats, Rosenblatt was fine. With the new baseball TD had more runs last year but this year was not the case. Has there been a HR hit to dead center during the CWS?

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Rosenblatt never played with the new bats so we don't know that. You're right about orientation, but wind has been completely dead on some days and there still have not been home runs. It's also fair to say Rosenblatt had more wind aid being on the hill. The BBCOR bats were not implemented until 2011, the first year of TD Ameritrade Park. Also, the homerun derby allows them to use old bats and they smash them out.

To answer your second question, yes, there has been a home run to dead center. Peter Alonso from Florida.

https://twitter.com/NCAACWS/status/612417148216958976


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/news/story?id=6305746
This article was written in April 2011, before a single CWS game was played in TD Ameritrade Park about how homeruns were down 50% with the new bats.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/ ... own-at-cws
This article, written in 2011 about the CWS, also highlights how homeruns were down across ALL college baseball from 0.94 per game in 2010 to 0.52 in 2011, a 42 percent reduction.


I read somewhere through CWS stats that this year was on pace to set the record for the most strikeouts across all college baseball. Not going to hit very many homeruns when you're striking out. I'm just saying, there are a lot of factors and blaming the park seems a little dumb to me and ignores the biggest reason, which is without a doubt, the BBCOR bats. That is the biggest reason there is a lack of more power hitting. Give me all the stats you want on the park and that's fine, but the bats are a bigger factor, period. The NCAA admitted that was the reason of going to the new bats, to specifically decrease home runs and runs scored, that was the point behind the move -
"NCAA Division I baseball statistics indicate increasing offensive performance, particularly in home runs and runs scored, and the Committee believes this is due, in large part, to the kind of bats in use today." (from http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/rules/baseball/ ... t.9.05.pdf)

In the CWS when you're not only getting the best hitters, but the best pitchers, homeruns and offense will vary year by year. I still saw some bombs this year, at least one on to the concourse.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby MadMartin8 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:53 pm

PobodysNerfect wrote:
Greg S wrote:
But the 2 parks don't play the same. We changed the orientation of the field (so the ball going with and against the wind is different), plus Rosenblatt was up on the hill, where as TD is sunk down low.

Even with the new bats, Rosenblatt was fine. With the new baseball TD had more runs last year but this year was not the case. Has there been a HR hit to dead center during the CWS?

Greg


Rosenblatt never played with the new bats so we don't know that. You're right about orientation, but wind has been completely dead on some days and there still have not been home runs. It's also fair to say Rosenblatt had more wind aid being on the hill. The BBCOR bats were not implemented until 2011, the first year of TD Ameritrade Park. Also, the homerun derby allows them to use old bats and they smash them out.

To answer your second question, yes, there has been a home run to dead center. Peter Alonso from Florida.

https://twitter.com/NCAACWS/status/612417148216958976


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/news/story?id=6305746
This article was written in April 2011, before a single CWS game was played in TD Ameritrade Park about how homeruns were down 50% with the new bats.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/ ... own-at-cws
This article, written in 2011 about the CWS, also highlights how homeruns were down across ALL college baseball from 0.94 per game in 2010 to 0.52 in 2011, a 42 percent reduction.


I read somewhere through CWS stats that this year was on pace to set the record for the most strikeouts across all college baseball. Not going to hit very many homeruns when you're striking out. I'm just saying, there are a lot of factors and blaming the park seems a little dumb to me and ignores the biggest reason, which is without a doubt, the BBCOR bats. That is the biggest reason there is a lack of more power hitting. Give me all the stats you want on the park and that's fine, but the bats are a bigger factor, period. The NCAA admitted that was the reason of going to the new bats, to specifically decrease home runs and runs scored, that was the point behind the move -
"NCAA Division I baseball statistics indicate increasing offensive performance, particularly in home runs and runs scored, and the Committee believes this is due, in large part, to the kind of bats in use today." (from http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/rules/baseball/ ... t.9.05.pdf)

In the CWS when you're not only getting the best hitters, but the best pitchers, homeruns and offense will vary year by year. I still saw some bombs this year, at least one on to the concourse.


darn. That was the drop of info right there. Well done!
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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Greg S » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:50 pm

The bats obviously had an impact, but you can not ignore how differently TD plays vs most stadiums in college baseball. Through out the CWS one big point of conversation was should teams do what got them to the CWS vs adjust their game to suit how TD plays.

OK so there's been one CWS homer to dead center. That's one more than zero.

It would be interesting to see anyone argue that it's a hitter or offense friendly park. I'd argue otherwise. It's not even neutral.



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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Brad » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:35 pm

CWS food, alcohol tally: Beer made up 98% of booze sales; nearly 900 foot-long taquitos sold

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Roseann Moring / World-Herald staff writer wrote:She said Levy sold about 430 alcoholic drinks per 1,000 attendees at TD Ameritrade Park — more than the original projections of 400 sales per 1,000.
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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby nebugeater » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:57 pm

2016 total attendance 341,667
% buying beer 430/1000 43%
Total Beers 146916
Min Cost / beer $7
Total Beer sales est $1,028,418

Even if profit is only 50% I am guessing beer sales are here to stay.


Wonder if less pop or water was sold......
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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby skinzfan23 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:01 pm

Here are other sales numbers from the series:

Jumbo hot dogs — 29,383

Waffle cones — 22,979

Peanuts – 19,204

Nachos — 15,975

Pretzels — 14,355

Chicken tender baskets – 13,759

Cheeseburgers — 13,337

Specialty items

Sausage cart — 4,849 foot-long bratwurst or Italian sausage

Walking Nachos — 2,686

Grounds Crew Tachos — 1,411

Home Run Burger — 1,145

Giant South O Taquitos — 896

Big Pig Burger — 820

Reuben Sausage — 730

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby PobodysNerfect » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:28 pm

Greg S wrote:The bats obviously had an impact, but you can not ignore how differently TD plays vs most stadiums in college baseball. Through out the CWS one big point of conversation was should teams do what got them to the CWS vs adjust their game to suit how TD plays.

OK so there's been one CWS homer to dead center. That's one more than zero.

It would be interesting to see anyone argue that it's a hitter or offense friendly park. I'd argue otherwise. It's not even neutral.



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I also meant to add to the orientation argument that Haymarket Park in Lincoln is the same orientation as TD. Great American Ball Park in Cincy as well as PNC Park in Pittsburgh also face that direction. Citi Field, Citizens Bank Park, and AT&T Park all face due east.

A couple random colleges, Auburn’s Field faces same as TD (SE), Florida’s Field also faces SE, Alabama’s faces due south, Tennesse’s faces due south, Coastcal Carolina’s faces SE, North Carolina St faces SE, North Carolina’s faces south, Minnesota’s faces SE, TCU’s field faces south….

Again this is non-exhaustive and it’s meant to illustrate a point, plenty of other fields face the same direction as TD Ameritrade, plenty of other’s also DON’T, I get that.

You're right people talk about "playing to the ballpark", but is it really the park? I've seen 0-1 wins there and I've seen teams like last year's Florida score 10 runs twice and 15 runs another time. Is it really the ballpark or the teams/hitters/pitchers that are making it and the way they are playing with the new bats (2011) on a championship level in a championship tournament? Just making my argument/debate point is all.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Greg S » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:51 pm

It's mostly the ballpark. You can have exceptions but when you look at everything, I"m not sure how anyone could argue otherwise. Obviously if you had the old bats (which they use in the home run debry event, otherwise it would be a very quick event), it would play better offensively, but still below any where near an average ballpark.

Yes there are other exceptions on the orientation of the ballpark, but because it's different it plays different that Rosenblatt. I was just saying they kept the dimensions that same as the 'blatt but must not have been prepared or understood how much of a factor the different orientation, along with altitude would have on the way the game plays.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby mrsticka » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:35 am

Coyote wrote:Out of 30 MLB teams 10 make the playoffs (33%)

So if there were 40 MLB teams, 20 would make the playoffs? And if each matchup is a 4-game series, that would be 80 games AT LEAST. And that would pretty much guarantee baseball would go into November. I don't think a lot of people would like that. Baseball is not a November sport.

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Re: 2016 CWS

Postby Louie » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:35 pm

mrsticka wrote:
Coyote wrote:Out of 30 MLB teams 10 make the playoffs (33%)

So if there were 40 MLB teams, 20 would make the playoffs? And if each matchup is a 4-game series, that would be 80 games AT LEAST. And that would pretty much guarantee baseball would go into November. I don't think a lot of people would like that. Baseball is not a November sport.

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