Omaha and Lincoln about to grow a little closer...
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35 miles from west Omaha and 20 from DTL? Lincoln would start to fare better off but I still think a mojority of people won't want to make that trip. Gas is going up. Maybe if Waverly doubles in size they will get another ShakersSwift wrote:I'm growing more and more shocked that people are still interested in moving further and further away from the urban core, be it Omaha's or Lincoln's.
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It's so funny that they have Waverly on Lincoln's street grid. 134th Street? Waverly is at 134th Street neer Lincoln just like it's on 385th Street near Omaha.
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I think this is a positive thing, too. Lincoln has been a model of controlled growth in Nebraska, and it's a great city for it, but I like the idea of developing the metro a little more around I-80. (Even if it means sprawling a little.) There's such an advantage being next to the freeway. You can get to downtown Lincoln much faster from Waverley than you can from southeast Lincoln even though the distance is about the same. Plus it will be nice to see a second Lancaster city break the 5,000 mark. This will be Lincoln's first real suburb.
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It will have 3 lanes each way. "Experts" claim that it will be over-capacity from the get-go but I don't buy it. I-80 carries a lot of traffic, but with 4 exits (soon to be 5 with the proposed 180th street exit) between 144thst and Waverly there isn't a lot of the typical congestion that one would see on a more urban stretch. So IMO it will have plenty of relative volume but be moving at a good clip and easy to traverse.
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10 years of construction for 2 extra lanes? They might as well have added 4. 3 lanes will be fine if people ever figure out how to drive. Slow traffic on the right, faster to the left. KC has 3 lanes pretty much everywhere but it moves fine becasue people follow that golden rule of driving that people hear seem to have never even heard of.
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Has anyone ever seen Lincoln's news? They have it on here in Nebraska City and it's pretty amusing. It's like watching tv from the 1980's. The graphics and music are so outdated and cheesy. Omaha's Channel 7 has a Lincoln post or whatever it's called with Mike DiGiacamo so that's more of a reason why we are growing closer together.
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KOLN(Lincoln)/KRGI(Grand Island) is the CBS affiliate for the Tri-Cities. All the studio stuff is done in Lincoln, but there's a Grand Island bureau.OmahaRules wrote:Lincolns news does that cover Grand Island and everything they seem to always talk about the western cities?
It's kind of ironic. Grand Island is the largest of the Tri-Cities, yet it is the only one that doesn't have a news studio of its own. The NBC affiliate is KHAS in Hastings and the ABC affiliate is in Kearney.
And you guys want to talk about chintzy. The KHAS studio looks like the stage for a high school magic show.
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HA! Yes!Swift wrote:Aaron (Streets) and I used to laugh at it when we were roommates at UNL.
"The right to have access to every building in the city by private motorcar in an age when everyone possesses such a vehicle is actually the right to destroy the city."
Lewis Mumford, The Highway and the City, 1963
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are you sure it isn't 4 on each side????
look @ it this way - i've traveled many times on it this past summer,,,,especially this past summer - and well - it has 4 lanes on just one side - with plenty of shoulder space - separated by a cement wall that has even it's own amt. of space for a smaller shoulder - what are they going to do with all that extra pavement if it's only 3 lanes in the end - but yet has enough room for 4-5 lanes if that middle separator on the one way was removed?????
i don't think 3 lanes will be enough - considering congestion is quite terrible during peak hours the way it is - and if omaha expands as rapidly as it has been - it's going to need the extra lane
look @ it this way - i've traveled many times on it this past summer,,,,especially this past summer - and well - it has 4 lanes on just one side - with plenty of shoulder space - separated by a cement wall that has even it's own amt. of space for a smaller shoulder - what are they going to do with all that extra pavement if it's only 3 lanes in the end - but yet has enough room for 4-5 lanes if that middle separator on the one way was removed?????
i don't think 3 lanes will be enough - considering congestion is quite terrible during peak hours the way it is - and if omaha expands as rapidly as it has been - it's going to need the extra lane
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I drive it every day, sometimes more than once.
It is three lanes. What you are driving on on the E bound side is the Intersate and the sholders. There are gravel sholders added but the speed limit is reduced. When it is finished and both sides are open and complete the lanes will be re striped on the E bound ( Look at the W bound it is marked out) and there will be three lanes plus hard surfaced shoulders. Once this is in place the speed limitwill be back up.
Looks like they are ready to move the W bound onto the new pavement. Maybe as soon as tonight.
It is three lanes. What you are driving on on the E bound side is the Intersate and the sholders. There are gravel sholders added but the speed limit is reduced. When it is finished and both sides are open and complete the lanes will be re striped on the E bound ( Look at the W bound it is marked out) and there will be three lanes plus hard surfaced shoulders. Once this is in place the speed limitwill be back up.
Looks like they are ready to move the W bound onto the new pavement. Maybe as soon as tonight.
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Well, you ARE right. There was much discussion about this when the project started and technically the new 6-lane interstate will be at capacity by the time its done. Some were griping that we should just add a 4th lane while we're at it. Unfortunately there's a point where just adding another lane becomes pointless - think of a logarithmic curve; past a certain point you can go light years down the x-axis (think adding lanes) and there is little change in the value of Y (think traffic congestion). A third lane is *that* point. Naturally, when this project was getting planned, people realized this and so the idea of commuter rail between the cities started then as well. Maybe, oh, 5-6yrs ago? And THAT is a whole 'nother thread so I'll just leave it there.michaelsjewel wrote:i don't think 3 lanes will be enough - considering congestion is quite terrible during peak hours the way it is - and if omaha expands as rapidly as it has been - it's going to need the extra lane
Personally, I don't think it will be that big of a traffic conundrum (sp). Most of the traffic problems occur because of the challenge getting all those cars OFF the freeway. Just getting down the interstate, from point A->B isn't going to make things horribly backed up. heck, things aren't really that bad traffic-wise now anyway. My personal prediction is that we will see another limited access freeway solution from extreme west Omaha to North Lincoln, or US34 between US75 and Lincoln's East Bypass before I-80 is expanded again. But it will be a long, long ways off.
Whoever is saying that it will be at capacity when it opens is full of it. I drive on I-80 all the time, and even with the current 2 lanes in each direction it isn't congested until you get to the portion that is already 3 lanes east-west (Hwy 370). From there the traffic picks up a little bit, but it doesn't really get jammed until you get to 126th/Harrison. Then it gets terrible around L Street, but west of there it really isn't that bad.
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we're talking about outside of omaha - the stretch between - omaha and lincoln - as far as more lanes go- traffic can be just as congested in the off lanes (to exit) - but also it allows for more speed traffic to bypass the congestion - that's the whole point to more lanes is for those that need to go farther distances not to have to slow down to extremes just b/c a few cars think it's funny to slow down and hang out in the SPEED LANE -
if it really were true that extra lanes don't help - then why do we have problems (SAY DOWNTOWN AREA ON I-80) when it shrinks to only 2 lanes???? extra lanes do help big time - omaha's got problems even in its own structure - but nothing as bad as chicago does - i was suprised chicago had barely any lanes on the interstate - omaha had more lol - but i did like the idea of EXPRESS LANES for rush hour times
if it really were true that extra lanes don't help - then why do we have problems (SAY DOWNTOWN AREA ON I-80) when it shrinks to only 2 lanes???? extra lanes do help big time - omaha's got problems even in its own structure - but nothing as bad as chicago does - i was suprised chicago had barely any lanes on the interstate - omaha had more lol - but i did like the idea of EXPRESS LANES for rush hour times
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What?! Please try again with punctuation, I'm having a hard time following your thoughts here.michaelsjewel wrote:we're talking about outside of omaha - the stretch between - omaha and lincoln - as far as more lanes go- traffic can be just as congested in the off lanes (to exit) - but also it allows for more speed traffic to bypass the congestion - that's the whole point to more lanes is for those that need to go farther distances not to have to slow down to extremes just b/c a few cars think it's funny to slow down and hang out in the SPEED LANE -
Ok, lets revisit this and I will state it a different way. Adding lanes does help alleviate congestion, but only to a certain extent. You can't take a stretch of road, like I-80 between Omaha and Lincoln, and just keep throwing additional lanes at the problem all willy nilly. Once you get to a certain point, adding another lane does not become an effective solution. Right now, three lanes is an effective solution for that stretch of road but beyond that are better and more effective solutions than adding a 4th.michaelsjewel wrote:if it really were true that extra lanes don't help - then why do we have problems (SAY DOWNTOWN AREA ON I-80) when it shrinks to only 2 lanes???? extra lanes do help big time - omaha's got problems even in its own structure - but nothing as bad as chicago does - i was suprised chicago had barely any lanes on the interstate - omaha had more lol - but i did like the idea of EXPRESS LANES for rush hour times
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i think extra lanes HELP TO A BIG EXTENT - going to chicago to see how their limitation of lanes cause many traffic problems - and in omaha - downtown 2 lanes seem to cause problems as well out of omaha - BUT FOR SOME REASON congestion doesn't happen where it's 4-6 lanes on 80 (except maybe in the exiting lanes) - but this allows people to bypass this congestion if they are going farther distances - i think it's bull to assume that the extra lanes have no positive outcome - the more distance that can be traveled the more sense it makes if more lanes are added b/c not everyone is going to exit 1 mile ahead - and i don't think people driving appreciate having to sit in congested traffic just b/c there's a lack of lanes to bypass the exiting lanes -
i agree that exits need to have more width to make them allow more to exit @ once - though between omaha and lincoln i hardly ever see anyone exit - 2 lanes just isn't enough during rush times and then you get those that go 60 in a 75 that hang out in the passing lanes - either it's a lack of BANDWIDTH or a lack of creditability of drivers in this state
so you think it's better to propose a new interstate stretch between the 2 or something? it would cost more and destroy more land in the process - NOT A GOOD SOLUTION -
when are they going to be finished with the interstate's widening anyhow? - it's sure taking them awhile - considering other countries seem to work much faster than the US on anything -
by the time they are finished - there will be a problem - but i think the extra lane is just providing extra bandwidth for future omaha expansion - though i'm wondering if they have any plans for a future BYPASS (880 or something) since omaha's expanding westward so rapidly -
i agree that exits need to have more width to make them allow more to exit @ once - though between omaha and lincoln i hardly ever see anyone exit - 2 lanes just isn't enough during rush times and then you get those that go 60 in a 75 that hang out in the passing lanes - either it's a lack of BANDWIDTH or a lack of creditability of drivers in this state
so you think it's better to propose a new interstate stretch between the 2 or something? it would cost more and destroy more land in the process - NOT A GOOD SOLUTION -
when are they going to be finished with the interstate's widening anyhow? - it's sure taking them awhile - considering other countries seem to work much faster than the US on anything -
by the time they are finished - there will be a problem - but i think the extra lane is just providing extra bandwidth for future omaha expansion - though i'm wondering if they have any plans for a future BYPASS (880 or something) since omaha's expanding westward so rapidly -
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You must be completely daft. I'm going to try this one more time, and make it very simple for you.
- Extra lanes help but they are not the catch-all solution. You get a high percentage of return with adding a third lane, but with each additional lane your return will diminish. There then is a point where tacking on additional lanes is not an effective solution. I don't know where you're getting that extra lanes do not help at all.
- Learn the difference between proposing and predicting. Read what I wrote again and think before you post.
- Frankly the interstate reconstruction is going very well, IMO. Last I heard they were ahead of schedule. The end date is 2012 I believe. For more information, here's the NDOR page: http://www.nebraskatransportation.org/p ... /index.htm
- By the time they are finished there will be no traffic emergency. Yes, an outer loop around Omaha has been discussed as shown by an August OWH article. The article is not available on the OWH site, but here's the eOmaha discussion: http://www.eomaha.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ate+bypass
- Extra lanes help but they are not the catch-all solution. You get a high percentage of return with adding a third lane, but with each additional lane your return will diminish. There then is a point where tacking on additional lanes is not an effective solution. I don't know where you're getting that extra lanes do not help at all.
- Learn the difference between proposing and predicting. Read what I wrote again and think before you post.
- Frankly the interstate reconstruction is going very well, IMO. Last I heard they were ahead of schedule. The end date is 2012 I believe. For more information, here's the NDOR page: http://www.nebraskatransportation.org/p ... /index.htm
- By the time they are finished there will be no traffic emergency. Yes, an outer loop around Omaha has been discussed as shown by an August OWH article. The article is not available on the OWH site, but here's the eOmaha discussion: http://www.eomaha.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ate+bypass
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oh I'M DAFT NOW???? well i question that statement for your own sake considering you couldn't understand a statment i previously wrote.....
and i do think before i post - and even if more and more lanes don't help as much as much as the previous one - they STILL HELP - they may not be a complete solution - but it's something, you make it sound like it's pointless altogether.
but how about this...we agree to disagree - enough said! (and to think this all started just because i mentioned a possible 4th lane - whatever - seems people are quite RUDE here)
and i do think before i post - and even if more and more lanes don't help as much as much as the previous one - they STILL HELP - they may not be a complete solution - but it's something, you make it sound like it's pointless altogether.
but how about this...we agree to disagree - enough said! (and to think this all started just because i mentioned a possible 4th lane - whatever - seems people are quite RUDE here)