Re: 104th Nebraska Legislature (2015)
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:24 pm
Sounds like there is a big push to get the issue on a public ballot, it will almost certainly be reinstated if that happens.
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True, but even if that does happen it will remain ineffective due to the appeals process and, even if that was streamlined, the fact is it doesn't work as a deterrent to people committing murder. Just look at Texas...over 500 executions carried out since 1975 and there are still over 300 on death row with more being added every year.iamjacobm wrote:Sounds like there is a big push to get the issue on a public ballot, it will almost certainly be reinstated if that happens.
It would be great if that would work here, but our cultures are just too different with a much more complex and less homogeneous mix of people here in this country trying to fend for themselves or get along. Also, sometimes it would be nice if people didn't treat animals like animals.Garrett wrote:Personally I prefer the Norwegian prison model. Don't treat people like animals, treat them like humans:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norw ... ul-2014-12
I also think it's abundantly clear that our system as is isn't working in the slightest. Incarcerating more people than any other country on earth is clearly a problem, and a return rate of almost 80% is one too. This isn't a cultural issue: this is an issue with the psychology and design of our prisons.GetUrban wrote:It would be great if that would work here, but our cultures are just too different with a much more complex and less homogeneous mix of people here in this country trying to fend for themselves or get along. Also, sometimes it would be nice if people didn't treat animals like animals.Garrett wrote:Personally I prefer the Norwegian prison model. Don't treat people like animals, treat them like humans:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norw ... ul-2014-12
I can assure you the design of prisons is not the catalyst for incarceration rates in the US (seriously?). The problem is sentencing non-violent drug offenders to ridiculous prison terms. If this was cleared up as well as stopping to contract third parties to build and run prisons, a huge difference would be seen.Garrett wrote:I also think it's abundantly clear that our system as is isn't working in the slightest. Incarcerating more people than any other country on earth is clearly a problem, and a return rate of almost 80% is one too. This isn't a cultural issue: this is an issue with the psychology and design of our prisons.GetUrban wrote:It would be great if that would work here, but our cultures are just too different with a much more complex and less homogeneous mix of people here in this country trying to fend for themselves or get along. Also, sometimes it would be nice if people didn't treat animals like animals.Garrett wrote:Personally I prefer the Norwegian prison model. Don't treat people like animals, treat them like humans:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norw ... ul-2014-12
Access to guns and/or ammunition may also play a part in that aspect.GetUrban wrote:I would argue that cultural differences are the main reason our prisons are so different than Norway's. Don't want to open a can of worms, but here in this country having a gun and using it is seen as a solution to all of our problems relating to crime. Even the most trivial disagreements can quickly escalate into a life or death situation. I don't think that is the case in Norway, is it?
Not so much, there are other countries with easy access to firearms that do not use them to kill people like the US. We have created a very strange culture where it has become the norm with some people to resort to guns rather than anything else.RNcyanide wrote:Access to guns and/or ammunition may also play a part in that aspect.GetUrban wrote:I would argue that cultural differences are the main reason our prisons are so different than Norway's. Don't want to open a can of worms, but here in this country having a gun and using it is seen as a solution to all of our problems relating to crime. Even the most trivial disagreements can quickly escalate into a life or death situation. I don't think that is the case in Norway, is it?
I think he is showing his inexperiance out here in the real world. Everytime he lets the legislature override his veto it cheapens it. Now the legislature has over ridden him twice in his first year of office. It becomes much easier now to override his veto since the bridge has already been crossed twice. He needed to choose and pick his battles more carefully. If you know you are going to loose a battle no matter what then you have nothing to gain by pushing it to the point you lose. A better way to go would of been to have said "Hey I dont like giving the illegal aliens drivers licenses but I dont have the support in the legislature to stop it." You dont need to actually prove you dont have the support by letting the legislature override your veto.iamjacobm wrote:I think Ricketts is using the govenors office to boost his political profile to move up the republican ladder. He will veto every bill that could come back to bite him in a larger race later down the road. Give me a leader like Stohert over him anyday.
He seems like a little kid that is stomping his feet and saying no to everything he can, and in the process looks like a moronHR Paperstacks wrote:He's actually been overridden three times this session - the gas tax, the death penalty and the driver's licenses for DREAMERS. It really does make him look like a weak governor (which doesn't surprise me). His whiny attitude doesn't make him look any better either.
Uffda wrote:Nebraska's Governor Threatens to Execute Prisoners Out of Spite
After his state abolishes the death penalty, Governor Pete Ricketts vows to apply it to the ten inmates still on death row.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... te/394949/
AgreedRNcyanide wrote:So Pete and Joe donated a total of $200,000 to the pro-death penalty cause. Is there literally nothing else in our great state of Nebraska that needs any more attention than this? Come the |expletive| on.