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Does anyone know the date and history behind this proposal?
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That was part of HDR's 'Omaha 2030' master plan. A lot of that is nothing more than polite suggestion and embellishments.
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To orient you to that sketch, its perspective is from far east in little Italy, looking westward over the UP tracks. There's actually very little of the ConAgra campus in that view...
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To be honest, while that sketch would be better than what is there now, it would be a huge disappointment compared to the potential development possible on the Conagra site and the along the riverfront.
He said "They are some big, ugly red brick buildings"
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I sure hope they never waste money by putting a ferris wheel down by the river. Ferris wheels are popping up all over the place now days and they're nothing special. I've been to the ferris wheels in Orlando, Atlanta, Seattle, and at The Islands in Pigeon Forge, TN. Even though they are located in areas with large amounts of tourist, there's hardly anybody riding these things. I just read last week that even Sioux City is looking at putting a ferris wheel next to the river where the old casino was. Plans also call for a pedestrian bridge over the Missouri River. If anything ever gets done down by the river, I hope they do something that is unique and original, and they don't just copy what other cities have done.
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Agree that the Ferris wheel has passed it's prime. The riverfront should be used for commercial purposes and more family oriented residential development so we can get downtown to have people there after 5 and on the weekends and build up businesses that are generally useful instead of a bunch of bars.
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I agree about the Ferris Wheel as well. Even if it was a huge success the first year, people are not going to pay to ride it every few weeks or even every couple month. We also don't have the tourism numbers to support it either. By the end of the second year its not going to be financially sustainable. It will be like the Kearney Arch, "Yeah I went there once"...
If you look at all the popular and successful attractions in Omaha, they always have new tings to being people back over and over again. The Joslyn Art Museum, Omaha Children Museum, The Durham Museum, Kenko, and the Omaha Botanical Gardens, they are always bringing in new traveling exhibits to bring people back again.
Even the Omaha Zoo keeps adding new exhibits and remodeling current exhibits to keep things new and fresh.
If you look at all the popular and successful attractions in Omaha, they always have new tings to being people back over and over again. The Joslyn Art Museum, Omaha Children Museum, The Durham Museum, Kenko, and the Omaha Botanical Gardens, they are always bringing in new traveling exhibits to bring people back again.
Even the Omaha Zoo keeps adding new exhibits and remodeling current exhibits to keep things new and fresh.
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It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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Villlage, Point, or Pointe. I think it would be nice if there was a tourist shopping area that was geared more towards younger families. I love the Old Market, but I don't think a lot of people want to drag their kids down there. The Old Markets seems to be geared more towards adults. We need a family friendly place for young families to buy all their cool Omaha t-shirts, magnets, shot glasses, etc.. Some family friendly restaurants, ice cream shops, candy stores, etc.. We need a place where young families can create some nice memories and want to return to Omaha some day.
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That was my first thought too.RNcyanide wrote:Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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RNcyanide wrote:Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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Vaginå Pènis LandingRNcyanide wrote:Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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Should there be at least one unnecessary terminal e after the pecker? After all, you want it to be classy.TitosBuritoBarn wrote:Vaginå Pènis LandingRNcyanide wrote:Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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Yes, Classi with an "I"...bigredmed wrote:Should there be at least one unnecessary terminal e after the pecker? After all, you want it to be classy.TitosBuritoBarn wrote:Vaginå Pènis LandingRNcyanide wrote:Vaginå or pènis?OmahaOmaha wrote:It would be nice to have something original to Omaha, but how about something similar to San Diego's Seaport Village, but only have a river town theme. Have a mix of some restaurants, bars, gift shops, and a few small areas for live bands to play. Call it something like "Omaha Landing" so we don't have to use that much hated "V" word or "P" word.
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It would be much easier to sell the idea of a riverfront boardwalk or similar along the river, however, with the railroad taking up a major portion it would be tough to have such a great area I wish those tracks could be moved, but don't see that ever happening
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As much as I'm glad the Con Agra site will be eventually redone (I wouldn't mind if they would put back some of the city grid they erased), and I cringe at a suburban-style campus being downtown on our river, a major contradiction sitting at the base of our skyline, I am thankful for how that campus helped Downtown Omaha reach the vibrant place it is today. It was truly a "double-edged sword" in many ways. Also: Looking at Brad's beautiful pictures across the top of this forum, I am so used to the nice picture of having this reflective lake (with a colorful-lit fountain in the middle) and the Omaha skyline looming beyond the low-rise Con Agra campus buildings. If they take some of those out, and replace them with higher residential buildings right there, that "nice picture" of blue lake/low campus/visible skyline will change a bit (obviously). But, regardless, I want urban projects downtown -- not suburban-style campuses.
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Couldn't find the ConAgra thread but saw this in the World Hearld and thought it was really cool.
http://www.omaha.com/money/what-s-next- ... 6fc33.html
http://www.omaha.com/money/what-s-next- ... 6fc33.html
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I agree. A very nice W-H piece. I like some of the ideas these students came up with..lmdramos wrote:Couldn't find the ConAgra thread but saw this in the World Hearld and thought it was really cool.
http://www.omaha.com/money/what-s-next- ... 6fc33.html
Forget spending thousands on "consultants".. The city should hire these UNL Architecture students. I like their vision...
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AgreedOmaha Cowboy wrote:I agree. A very nice W-H piece. I like some of the ideas these students came up with..lmdramos wrote:Couldn't find the ConAgra thread but saw this in the World Hearld and thought it was really cool.
http://www.omaha.com/money/what-s-next- ... 6fc33.html
Forget spending thousands on "consultants".. The city should hire these UNL Architecture students. I like their vision...
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No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
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MTO wrote:No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
Can't you just agree it is some good ideas. UNO UNL what's the difference. Why get a pissing match started over it and be glad the University system for the entire state took some initiative.
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That is MTO's MO...nebugeater wrote:MTO wrote:No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
Can't you just agree it is some good ideas. UNO UNL what's the difference. Why get a pissing match started over it and be glad the University system for the entire state took some initiative.
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I get it but don't have to agree!!!!!!Coyote wrote:That is MTO's MO...nebugeater wrote:MTO wrote:No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
Can't you just agree it is some good ideas. UNO UNL what's the difference. Why get a pissing match started over it and be glad the University system for the entire state took some initiative.
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Not agreeing or disagreeing, but people have to understand the difference between the UNL and UNO programs. The UNL Programs are for Architecture, City Planning, and Interior design. UNO's are for Architectural Engineering related fields such as structural systems design (ie. steel and concrete beams) I'm sure there are students at UNO that would have great ideas too, but redesigning the ConAgra campus fits the curriculum of the UNL programs.nebugeater wrote:MTO wrote:No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
Can't you just agree it is some good ideas. UNO UNL what's the difference. Why get a pissing match started over it and be glad the University system for the entire state took some initiative.
I thought it was a good article featuring some great ideas. Marty Shukert even agreed he liked the idea of re-establishing the street grid and extending it to the river.
He said "They are some big, ugly red brick buildings"
...and then they were gone.
...and then they were gone.
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True statement. If MTO is a master at anything, it's pushing (or attempting) to push buttons, lol...Coyote wrote:That is MTO's MO...nebugeater wrote:MTO wrote:No get some UNO students to do something not students from Omaha's dingle berry city. If not Harvard or MIT...
Can't you just agree it is some good ideas. UNO UNL what's the difference. Why get a pissing match started over it and be glad the University system for the entire state took some initiative.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Novak you made a whole deal out of leaving......
I was reading about a redevelopment in another city & it got me thinking about the ConAgra campus.
What if the office buildings were torn down and high rise condos and apartments were built in their place with underground parking? Heartland of America Park could stay. It would be a beautiful venue for a couple or three high rise buildings.
Just a thought.
I was reading about a redevelopment in another city & it got me thinking about the ConAgra campus.
What if the office buildings were torn down and high rise condos and apartments were built in their place with underground parking? Heartland of America Park could stay. It would be a beautiful venue for a couple or three high rise buildings.
Just a thought.
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Not a stretch. There is much potential in downtown. the question is, will demand dictate a series of residential development such as this downtown. I have faith it could.. As I said in a thread earlier today, the next 6-12 months should reveal some interesting development announcements for Omaha.. Business HQ's included...NovakOmaha wrote: What if the office buildings were torn down and high rise condos and apartments were built in their place with underground parking? Heartland of America Park could stay. It would be a beautiful venue for a couple or three high rise buildings.
Just a thought.
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Not sure that residential zoning would be allowed given the ground pollution in that area secondary to the ASARCO lead plume. Sure that I would not want a small child playing in that dirt. The other thing is the water table given the Missouri. Would a large (say 10 story) building be safe to build there? We sit about 400 feet above the limestone that KCMO is built on. They can get really close to the river because like in Manhattan, they can drill down to rock pretty fast. Could such structures be built at an practical cost here?Omaha Cowboy wrote:Not a stretch. There is much potential in downtown. the question is, will demand dictate a series of residential development such as this downtown. I have faith it could.. As I said in a thread earlier today, the next 6-12 months should reveal some interesting development announcements for Omaha.. Business HQ's included...NovakOmaha wrote: What if the office buildings were torn down and high rise condos and apartments were built in their place with underground parking? Heartland of America Park could stay. It would be a beautiful venue for a couple or three high rise buildings.
Just a thought.
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Unlike the Asarco site, if I'm not mistaken, the lead and other contamination was removed as part of the ConAgra development and HOA park lagoon construction. This was another cost the City of Omaha picked-up for ConAgra.
The bedrock on the Omaha side of the river is about 40' below the surface, from sections through the geologic profile. This is true for most of downtown, although the suitable bearing capacity at the surface of the bedrock can vary, necessitating boring deeper into the rock.
The bedrock on the Omaha side of the river is about 40' below the surface, from sections through the geologic profile. This is true for most of downtown, although the suitable bearing capacity at the surface of the bedrock can vary, necessitating boring deeper into the rock.
He said "They are some big, ugly red brick buildings"
...and then they were gone.
...and then they were gone.
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The battery plant was where the lake is. The office buildings are pretty much where jobbers canyon was.
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I believe it's safe to build there. I like the idea. If the investment were to be made for residential highrise (or any significant residential downtown), the question comes down to will demand dictate supply. You'd have to be pretty solid in your opinion that it would- just simply relying on the notion- "build it and they will come" would be pretty flimsy ground considering the cost and commitment involved..bigredmed wrote:Not sure that residential zoning would be allowed given the ground pollution in that area secondary to the ASARCO lead plume. Sure that I would not want a small child playing in that dirt. The other thing is the water table given the Missouri. Would a large (say 10 story) building be safe to build there? We sit about 400 feet above the limestone that KCMO is built on. They can get really close to the river because like in Manhattan, they can drill down to rock pretty fast. Could such structures be built at an practical cost here?Omaha Cowboy wrote:Not a stretch. There is much potential in downtown. the question is, will demand dictate a series of residential development such as this downtown. I have faith it could.. As I said in a thread earlier today, the next 6-12 months should reveal some interesting development announcements for Omaha.. Business HQ's included...NovakOmaha wrote: What if the office buildings were torn down and high rise condos and apartments were built in their place with underground parking? Heartland of America Park could stay. It would be a beautiful venue for a couple or three high rise buildings.
Just a thought.
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All this said, I'd love to see it happen...
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The ASARCO plant was north of the interstate bridge. The lagoon is where a railyard and old UP rail warehouses were. Most of the Conagra buildings are located where jobbers canyon warehouse buildings were. Lots of earth was moved for this project so lead contamination should not be a problem. Building structures with height would not be a problem either. Just look at the condo towers north of the Bob. These are right on the river in an area where the river channel has changed and moved over the years so they are built on river sediments. The jobbers canyon buildings were quite large structures, made to hold heavy loads, and they stood about a hundred years without failing, so building moderate high rise apartment buildings would be doable.
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One thing to add....the Gould Battery plant was located at 550 Farnam Street, which is contained in HOA Park, but contaminated soil was removed. I agree, there is nothing out of the ordinary that would prevent higher-rise development. The Jobbers buildings had very substantial footings. It would be interesting to know if any of those deeper footings and/or Caissons were left behind. I assume they were removed with the demolition and are now rubble in a landfill somewhere or buried on one of the many properties Anderson Excavating owns.Spatial77 wrote:The ASARCO plant was north of the interstate bridge. The lagoon is where a railyard and old UP rail warehouses were. Most of the Conagra buildings are located where jobbers canyon warehouse buildings were. Lots of earth was moved for this project so lead contamination should not be a problem. Building structures with height would not be a problem either. Just look at the condo towers north of the Bob. These are right on the river in an area where the river channel has changed and moved over the years so they are built on river sediments. The jobbers canyon buildings were quite large structures, made to hold heavy loads, and they stood about a hundred years without failing, so building moderate high rise apartment buildings would be doable.
He said "They are some big, ugly red brick buildings"
...and then they were gone.
...and then they were gone.
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I would LOVE to see the map that shows the depth to the bedrock.GetUrban wrote:Unlike the Asarco site, if I'm not mistaken, the lead and other contamination was removed as part of the ConAgra development and HOA park lagoon construction. This was another cost the City of Omaha picked-up for ConAgra.
The bedrock on the Omaha side of the river is about 40' below the surface, from sections through the geologic profile. This is true for most of downtown, although the suitable bearing capacity at the surface of the bedrock can vary, necessitating boring deeper into the rock.
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I said it a long time ago somewhere on these boards. The area where the Heartland of America Park is was the Gould Battery Plant and when they left it was taken over by, well, hobos? Pretty scary place. I remember going down there when the park opened with the kids and it was after 10 at night. I remember thinking "Wow. 10 at night and there are families here. What a difference." Same with the Leahy mall. People went downtown at night and not just to score drugs or a "date". Yes the loss of jobbers canyon now seems like a crime but at that time a massive development happened that changed the character of downtown. Prior to that with the exception of the old market nobody went downtown after 5. It was dying.
Hopefully someone with a lot of vision and passion will figure out something for the conagra campus that will contribute to a 24 hour downtown.
Hopefully someone with a lot of vision and passion will figure out something for the conagra campus that will contribute to a 24 hour downtown.
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Here you go....this is a scan from a color photocopy so it might be a little fuzzy. I'm looking for an on-line higher-res version, but haven't found one yet.daveoma wrote:I would LOVE to see the map that shows the depth to the bedrock.GetUrban wrote:Unlike the Asarco site, if I'm not mistaken, the lead and other contamination was removed as part of the ConAgra development and HOA park lagoon construction. This was another cost the City of Omaha picked-up for ConAgra.
The bedrock on the Omaha side of the river is about 40' below the surface, from sections through the geologic profile. This is true for most of downtown, although the suitable bearing capacity at the surface of the bedrock can vary, necessitating boring deeper into the rock.
The vertical lines are where they took borings that were needed for the I-480 bridge design.
He said "They are some big, ugly red brick buildings"
...and then they were gone.
...and then they were gone.
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GetUrban wrote:Here you go....this is a scan from a color photocopy so it might be a little fuzzy. I'm looking for an on-line higher-res version, but haven't found one yet.daveoma wrote:I would LOVE to see the map that shows the depth to the bedrock.GetUrban wrote:Unlike the Asarco site, if I'm not mistaken, the lead and other contamination was removed as part of the ConAgra development and HOA park lagoon construction. This was another cost the City of Omaha picked-up for ConAgra.
The bedrock on the Omaha side of the river is about 40' below the surface, from sections through the geologic profile. This is true for most of downtown, although the suitable bearing capacity at the surface of the bedrock can vary, necessitating boring deeper into the rock.
The vertical lines are where they took borings that were needed for the I-480 bridge design.
This is too cool, thanks Urban.
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