KETV wrote:The company has bought much of the land and is gearing up to embark on its vision for "Omaha's urban core."
The redevelopment plans obtained by KETV NewsWatch 7 show renderings for an apartment and six-story hotel between Turner Boulevard and Park Avenue and Douglas and Farnam streets. Those buildings would join the remaining Twin Towers condo on the block.
KETV-TV
Plans for 'Turner Park East' show new hotel, apartment building
Mutual of Omaha has selected Ryan Companies of Minneapolis and Timberland Partners to help develop the project.
Although a massive improvement for all of those lots and the area... I'll get it out of the way for everyone now:
Nothing of even modest height? What I assume is the hotel looks about the same height as the "Twin Tower". It's going to feel great from a density standpoint but something about 150' I think would be perfect on the southern end of the development.
I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
Looks like the hotel and apartments could happen quickly with the rest being on a longer timeline. Still looks great, this will be a very impressive addition to midtown and really make the area active.
I did notice that it looks like they haven't done anything with the S-Turn. I wonder if they just dropped any plans to change that?
Although not tall if those place holders are any where near the size of the finished product they are massive buildings.
It will be interesting how this will tie in with the huge redevelopment of the old St. Joseph hospital just a few blocks away.
and I am sure that Walgreens and the Burger King franchise holder will gladly sell their land for a healthy profit and move into the open retail bays in the new development.
what's that grey building south of the twin tower(s?), since it's grey like the hotel and apartment and not red like all the someday-dream-buildings does that mean that building is already planned?
iamjacobm wrote:I did notice that it looks like they haven't done anything with the S-Turn. I wonder if they just dropped any plans to change that?
Yes, they dropped those plans a little while back. But I noticed on this rendering that they eventually plan to close 30th south of Dodge and will have Park Ave connect into 30th instead.
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
You telling somebody they don't know anything about urbanism is hilarious, you would take an empty 40 story concrete box over a great full infill project that makes money for the developers.
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
You telling somebody they don't know anything about urbanism is hilarious, you would take an empty 40 story concrete box over a great full infill project that makes money for the developers.
Linkin5 wrote:
You telling somebody they don't know anything about urbanism is hilarious, you would take an empty 40 story concrete box over a great full infill project that makes money for the developers.
I'd take Chiraq's skyline over DC's any day.
Just like you to mix up, mistake and muddy the waters of skyline and urbanism..
It would appear you, my friend, have the "misunderstanding" ...
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
I know you're joking but there's obviously a difference between aesthetically pleasing old buildings and ones built to house a cheap chain store. Much the same way you'll see more car enthusiasts choose to restore a 1986 Mustang GT than a 1986 Ford Escort.
"Video game violence is not a new problem. Who could forget in the wake of SimCity how children everywhere took up urban planning." - Stephen Colbert
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
Indeed.. We shall ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Well yeah if you exclude the Paris suburbs, and NYC's CBD is inside city limits while the Paris's CBD is mostly outside the city proper. So we both can skew the numbers to make our points however no matter how you fudge the numbers NYC's skyline(S) pwn Paris's.
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
Indeed.. We shall ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Well yeah if you exclude the Paris suburbs, and NYC's CBD is inside city limits while the Paris's CBD is mostly outside the city proper. So we both can skew the numbers to make our points however no matter how you fudge the numbers NYC's skyline(S) pwn Paris's.
Skylines don't mean anything beyond being a dick comparing contest. The most vibrant and thriving areas of Omaha and many other major cities continue to be areas that lack skyscrapers. It's the street life that counts, not what hangs above it.
Garrett wrote:
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
And Omaha's is like 4 times a lot of the cities we are trying to emulate (OKC, KC)
I'll say again this project is GREAT (Along with the Children's hospital's new proposal) and will feel great.
I still say one project here of about 150' would break it up a little and look great:
Unrelated:
TitosBuritoBarn wrote:I know you're joking but there's obviously a difference between aesthetically pleasing old buildings and ones built to house a cheap chain store. Much the same way you'll see more car enthusiasts choose to restore a 1986 Mustang GT than a 1986 Ford Escort.
C'mon the Fox Body Mustang was pure |expletive| and no better than the Escort of the same year!
2Adam29 wrote:I could care less about height here. The biggest thing for me is the fact that this can theoretically bring a walkable neighborhood right to the edge of the interstate, and get us that much closer to having a fully connected midtown and downtown.
^
This. Absolutely ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
If you think a single level addition to this block would be the same as a six or 17 or 26 or 32 you misunderstand urbanism.
Your jealousy of proposals never ceases to amaze me..
And I misunderstand NOTHING. The urban infill and connectivity this plan brings to the table is a huge development and plus for Omaha's urban core or "urbanism" as you like to say.
Significant urban projects and infill come in all shapes and sizes are are not always tied to height...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Shall we take a moment to remember that Paris, a city of 6-10 story buildings, has more than twice the density of New York?
Indeed.. We shall ...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Well yeah if you exclude the Paris suburbs, and NYC's CBD is inside city limits while the Paris's CBD is mostly outside the city proper. So we both can skew the numbers to make our points however no matter how you fudge the numbers NYC's skyline(S) pwn Paris's.
Skylines don't mean anything beyond being a dick comparing contest. The most vibrant and thriving areas of Omaha and many other major cities continue to be areas that lack skyscrapers. It's the street life that counts, not what hangs above it.
Im over the whole skyscraper |expletive|. There are far, far more important things to think about. I think Omaha is on a very impressive role. Screw skyscrapers, its about livability.