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$700 million I-80/29 reconstruction project

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From the Des Moines Register:
• The reconstruction of Interstate Highways 80/29/480 in Council Bluffs at a cost of $156 million through 2010. Council Bluffs Mayor Tom Hanafan had urged DOT officials to move forward with the project, saying it was badly needed in an area where there has been a huge growth of Iowa's casino industry and other commercial enterprises.
Also, the plan includes a US 275 overhaul from the Missouri River to I-29 and I-29 being resurfaced from the Missouri line to CB, among numerous projects slated for SW Iowa. SW Iowa wins big!

Here's the entire PDF of 2006-2010 highway projects for IDOT....

http://www.dot.state.ia.us/five_year/20 ... y_plan.pdf

The plan is slated for final approval in December 2005.
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Ingersoll1978 wrote:From the Des Moines Register:
• The reconstruction of Interstate Highways 80/29/480 in Council Bluffs at a cost of $156 million through 2010. Council Bluffs Mayor Tom Hanafan had urged DOT officials to move forward with the project, saying it was badly needed in an area where there has been a huge growth of Iowa's casino industry and other commercial enterprises.
Also, the plan includes a US 275 overhaul from the Missouri River to I-29 and I-29 being resurfaced from the Missouri line to CB, among numerous projects slated for SW Iowa. SW Iowa wins big!

Here's the entire PDF of 2006-2010 highway projects for IDOT....

http://www.dot.state.ia.us/five_year/20 ... y_plan.pdf

The plan is slated for final approval in December 2005.
That's great - it's obivous that whole mess was designed by Iowans. :wink: (I went to school in Iowa - I earned the right to poke fun!) Left exits, left entries, not enough lanes, bad drivers, poor signage, short merges... etc etc etc... I would've appreciated this driving to school all those times...
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Pshaw! The interstate in Iowa isn't bad. Try driving on it here! I swear it must have been designed by interns. And I'm not even joking!!

Example: you'll be driving down the center land of a busy 6 lane highway, and suddenly your lane and the lane to your right are merged together. NO SIGNS. CENTER LANE. Then it happens again about 300 yards later...two center lanes merge into one with nary a warning sign to be seen.
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Re: IDOT includes CB Interstate Overhaul in 5 yr Plan

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Ingersoll1978 wrote:From the Des Moines Register:
• The reconstruction of Interstate Highways 80/29/480 in Council Bluffs at a cost of $156 million through 2010. Council Bluffs Mayor Tom Hanafan had urged DOT officials to move forward with the project, saying it was badly needed in an area where there has been a huge growth of Iowa's casino industry and other commercial enterprises.
This is sorely needed. What is also needed is for Omaha to widen 80 in both directions on the Omaha side of the river where it is only to lanes (to/from the 480 merger/split). Traffic at night into Iowa backs up usually just west of 24st. Are there any plans in Nebraska to add lanes here?

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Left exits, left entries, not enough lanes, bad drivers, poor signage, short merges...
Apparently, you haven't traveled much. My favorite traffic nightmare is the H1 (or 2 or 3) in Honolulu. There are no on or off ramps. You're just there. Good luck to you during traffic too (which is pretty much always).
I know many parts of the I system in TX doesn't believe in off ramps (well, they do, but there only about 100ft long). Be thankful Iowa has exits and on ramps.
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Looks like the portion in the 5-year plan is only the stretch between the 2 I-80/I-29 splits and the approaching traffic lanes - only show 4 miles of work. The overall plan IDOT has been talking would cover something like 12 miles.

Good to see the Hwy 275 project is not slipping (much anyway) - that will be one area to avoid as much as possible the next year.

Also I see the State is finally going to do something with the Broadway viaduct - $23+ million in 2009/10. That'll cobble up in-town driving, even with the new Ave G viaduct (which should be complete well before then).
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The best part of the whole interstate work will be new ramps at the I-29/I-480 merge. Now, when coming over the bridge from Omaha, you can get off at S. 41st Street (near Dodge Park GC & the redeveloping Frito Lay site) and go under the bridge to Playland Park & the ORC site. But you can only access I-480 heading back to Omaha. This is problematic for selling the ORC site as residential with access and convenience. However, the new interstate design (unfortunately, still years down the road) will include ramps that will allow for multi-directional access to/from I-29 and I-480. This will also open up some of the area to commercial uses. This will really increase the value of the land and should foster interest in developing the ORC site and the vicinity.
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Finn wrote:But you can only access I-480 heading back to Omaha. This is problematic for selling the ORC site as residential with access and convenience.
Not to quibble, but I-480 only extends a few hundred yards, at best, east of those ramps. So it's not I-480 access that's the sticking point. There is interstate access in any direction within less than a mile of the site, which is better than a lot of places in the metro, so somebody isn't making the right pitch in that sales job to the financing people. My two cents, take it or leave it.

Yeah, the newly-reconfigured-sometime-in-the-future interstate system will greatly help some areas in town, including the area you're talking about. I certainly hope we see another incarnation of the ORC well before this portion of the interstate system is redone (which will in all likelihood not be until 2012, I would guesstimate).
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Yes, but it is a cicuitous path on roads that will not (& are not intended to) meet increased traffic demand (residential). For example, a resident living at a new ORC tower could travel across neighborhood streets - from Avenue B to N. 40th St., north to Ave. G, under I-29 east to N. 35th St., then north to access I-29 northbound. This is a circuitous path when the tower would be a block or two from I-480. The southbound entrance is closer - but that is part of the problem, the access points are not at the same intersection. It is also a pain to get onto West Broadway heading east from the ORC or Frito Lay site. The new interstate design will concentrate all of the access points and make access much easier (and have wider lane standards to handle increased traffic movement). This is not a case of trying to market or pitch the system in place, it is rectifying an outdated system that is a red flag for development.
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I'm with ya 100% Finn, the current system is outdated and needs improvement. I would suggest a better route for current interstate access though would be to go back under 480 and take the frontage road along the interstate down to 9th Ave. Much easier to negotiate and not as residential.

A question for you though on a related line - you mention not having the access points at the same location, which is the exact same problem 480 faces along DTO. Has that been a sticking point for developers in Omaha as well, in your experience?
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Not really because the difference is an urban downtown with streets capable of handling large volumes versus routing through a residential area (street volume as well as safety, perception, etc). This is much different than the neighborhoods around that portion of CB. Also, with I-480, there are various ramps dropping traffic into a downtown core from an interstate. This is different than a major intersection (not DT) such as two interstate systems without a cloverleaf or simplified access system (think of the poor bastards that get off at the wrong exit and can't find how to get back on! :lol:). Simplified/concentrated interchanges are much more valuable -we are developing a huge project on a new interchange (the first in 20 years) on the Capitol Beltway and tenants are excited because of the visibility and accessibility. The Omaha and CB areas are too different to compare - but in Omaha look at all the complaining over the Cuming and Burt Street access issues to the North Freeway (which they are now correcting with access in both directions from Cuming. Anyway, the design for the future interstate CB improvements will simplify the access at that majot intersection and the city is looking to attract some commercial development around it.
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Swift wrote:Pshaw! The interstate in Iowa isn't bad. Try driving on it here! I swear it must have been designed by interns. And I'm not even joking!!

Example: you'll be driving down the center land of a busy 6 lane highway, and suddenly your lane and the lane to your right are merged together. NO SIGNS. CENTER LANE. Then it happens again about 300 yards later...two center lanes merge into one with nary a warning sign to be seen.
Well, yeah, I'd take anything in the Omaha area over the disaster that is chicagoland's interstate system. They have a particular fondness for taking three lanes, expanding it to 15 for tools, then cramping it back down to three, all while adding 4 incoming lanes from two other interstates. Mix in the average driver's selfishness and stupidity when it comes to merging, and ladies and gentlemen - i give you the I-90 Parking Lot!
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Hence the winking. Calm down. Just a good natured ribbing that I explicitly called out as ribbing.
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Finn wrote:Not really because the difference is an urban downtown with streets capable of handling large volumes versus routing through a residential area (street volume as well as safety, perception, etc)...
Thanks Finn! Learn something new every day.

And for the CB paper take on the funding issue....

C.B. happy with DOT funding proposal
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Ice-

Do you expect any design elements to go into this, similar to the likes of Des Moines? If we could replicate even half of what they're doing, it'd be an achievement.
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I would hope so Count. They are putting aesthetic elements into the Sioux City projects involving I-29. I don't see why they wouldn't in Council Bluffs. The citizens of Council Bluffs should demand this.
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Yeah, from my perspective, I'll be one demanding some aesthetic treatments. Especially with the 2 main components of this part of the work being the two I-80/29 splits, that's going to be a lot of steel and concrete up in the air.
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From the Nonpariel article, they were discussing the Plattsmouth and relocated US 34 Bridge into Mills County. I'd have to agree that there is no need for Iowa to pay for two bridges separate bridges that are 6 miles apart (what additional benefit does Iowa get from this?). I would think the new relocated US 34 into Sarpy County has a much higher need. If you need to go to Lincoln from Mills or Fremont County, it doesn't make sense to go via US 34. You go to HWY 2 or through Omaha.
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For anyone interested, there will be a meeting on Tuesday, Oct. 11 to present the latest on the reconstruction effort.

Interstate improvement meeting Tuesday
The Iowa Department of Transportation will hold a meeting at the Mid-America Center, in rooms H, I and J, to show the public the Tier 2 process and the preliminary concepts for the new interstate system. The public is invited to attend the event at anytime between 4 and 7 p.m.
The project team identified the following needs with respect to the existing interstate system:

- Reduce existing traffic congestion....
- Provide for projected increases in traffic demand....
- Repair existing roadway conditions....
- Correct design issues....
- Accommodate planned development in the Interstate corridor....
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Re: IDOT includes CB Interstate Overhaul in 5 yr Plan

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skibum21 wrote: This is sorely needed. What is also needed is for Omaha to widen 80 in both directions on the Omaha side of the river where it is only to lanes (to/from the 480 merger/split). Traffic at night into Iowa backs up usually just west of 24st. Are there any plans in Nebraska to add lanes here?
Just echoing...
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Alright, I got a chance to attend the open house last night, and things are moving along. Not as fast as some of us would like, but moving along. I'll try to briefly describe what is on the table at this point.

The project will be divided into 5 segments, for traffic management and construction purposes:
  1. Segment 1 - I-80 in Nebraska, including 13th Street interchange and expansion of the Mo. Riv. bridge;
    Segment 2 - I-80/I-29 from Indian Creek west to Mo. Riv on I-80 and north to UPRR overpass on I-29, including west spaghetti bowl, 24th St. interchange, Neb. Ave interchange and the RR overpass;
    Segment 3 - I-80/I-29 from Indian Creek east to Madison Ave on I-80 and south to U.S. 275 on I-29, including east spaghetti bowl, South Expressway interchange, U.S. 275 interchange, and Madison Ave. interchange;
    Segment 4 - I-29 north of UPRR overpass to 35th St interchange, including I-29/I-480/West Broadway interchange and 9th Ave interchange;
    Segment 5 - I-80 north from Madison Ave. to Kanesville Blvd., including Kanesville Blvd. interchange.
Engineering and environmental studies are ongoing for Segments 1-3, while Segments 4 and 5 will begin later.

A little more detail on the first 3 segments (one of the IDOT reps I spoke with thought it would be 15 years at the earliest before funding would be available for Segments 4 and 5, so they aren't looking at those too closely, although they do have conceptual designs in hand, so if you're interested in seeing development along those 2 segments, get on the horn with your Congressman and hopefully speed up more $$$ for those).

Segment 1: would include 4 lanes in each direction from I-480/Kennedy interchange to Mo. Riv. bridge. Existing Mo. Riv. bridge would become bridge for eastbound, while a new bridge would be built just to the north for westbound lanes. I'm guessing, but I believe this alignment would bring westbound traffic closer to the new locomotives on the hill and require a pretty massive retaining wall, but might improve sightlines to see the locomotives as you're travelling.

Segment 2
: would include dual divided freeway (east of the spaghetti bowl) with 3 lanes each way for "express" traffic and another 3 lanes each way for "local" traffic, reconstruction of the 24th St. interchange. The 24th St. design would be similar to the existing interchange, although one design would pull the ramps closer in to the interstate, which would improve distance between interstate access point and the nearest interchange on either side of the interstate. One design would reconstruct the Nebraska Ave interchange, while the other design would eliminate the Nebraska Ave interchange and replace it with a new interchange at 23rd Ave, which would provide a much more direct route to the Mid-America Center/Bass Pro Shops area. This would also increase distance between the 9th Ave. on-ramp and the existing Neb. Ave. off-ramp along southbound I-29, which can currently be a problem with inter-casino traffic. The spaghetti bowl would include up to 4 levels of ramps, so you're talking something on the order of 50-60 feet up in the air.

Segment 3: would continue the dual divided freeway to the east spaghetti bowl, with interchange reconstructs at South Expressway, Madison Ave, and US 275. Key with the Madison Ave reconstruct would be pulling the freeway and ramps further away from Mall of the Bluffs, which would supposedly (I'm guessing) lead to a better perimeter road around that side of the mall and allow JC Penney to expand and still retain same number of parking stalls (but don't quote me on that). Key with the US 275 reconstruct would be providing access in all directions coming off I-29 (which is lacking now, although a recent DOT project helped somewhat), as well as tie into the scheduled reconstruct of US 275 to 4 lanes from I-29 to the Mo. Riv. South Expressway interchange wouldn't change much, except for a slightly larger footprint on the north side. Two designs for the spaghetti bowl - one would be basically on top of the existing footprint, the other would shift the footprint north and slightly east, which would provide a little more room for development east of the existing Power Center development.
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That's absolutely unbelieveable, icejammer! I'm in disbelief with how awesome this reconstruction will be - 12lane freeway?!! :shock: Any chance you could elaborate on "spaghetti bowl" and go with something more, excuse the pun, concrete like you did in Segment 1 with 480/Kennedy?

This will be great for CWS traffic when its all done (i shudder to consider the interim though).
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Sorry - "spaghetti bowl" would refer to looking at the interchange from above and it resembles a bowl of spaghetti with all the lanes and ramps intertwining. Depending on which design "concept" is selected, there could be between 6 to 8 separate groups of lanes going into/out of the west one from each direction (compared to the present 4) and 7 compared to the current 4 at the east one.

As far as construction timetable, the IDOT rep explaining the Segment 2 portion thought it wouldn't be until 2010 before that section starts construction.
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Well, I know what you meant by spaghetti bowl, just the who west one, east one, new one, etc..i assume west one would be 80WB/29NB/80EB-29SB/?
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tuna-that would be correct.
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IDOT Plan wrote:Segment 1: would include 4 lanes in each direction from I-480/Kennedy interchange to Mo. Riv. bridge
I was thinking about this the other day. This will require a complete redesign of the 480/80/JFK interchange! Surely IDOT isn't footing the bill for work in Nebraska. Granted its a federal highway, but the states are responsible for maintainance, etc I thought.

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almighty_tuna wrote:
IDOT Plan wrote:Segment 1: would include 4 lanes in each direction from I-480/Kennedy interchange to Mo. Riv. bridge
I was thinking about this the other day. This will require a complete redesign of the 480/80/JFK interchange! Surely IDOT isn't footing the bill for work in Nebraska. Granted its a federal highway, but the states are responsible for maintainance, etc I thought.
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Not really, it won't require a complete redesign. I would think they would maintain the 2 through lanes of 80 through the 480/80/JFK and just add the lanes back east that they already have in place on the east side of that interchange to get the 4 lanes so there isn't so much merging heading to the east and clean up where 13th comes on heading west. Where it will get tight is going between the zoo and botanical gardens.
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$256 million To Be Spent on CB Highways Next 5 Years
The $256 million earmarked for Council Bluffs will be used to complete the first two phases of the interstate system, with about $1 billion eventually needed to completely rebuild the entire system around the city
The [Highway 275] project will also feature pedestrian walkways and a bike path, he said. The entire project should be done in the 2008-09 time frame
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Ice, this is huge, no? That's a massive price tag and appears to be nearly twice the cost of rebuilding I-235 through Des Moines when it's all said and done? Still no mention of design elements though. Question is, will this affect Bass Pro any with all the construction taking shape...
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Huge, yes. Not sure where it stands in comparison to the I-235 reconstruct, but not surprised it would be close to double, considering the increase in construction costs over time, plus the reconstruct of 2 major interchanges (compared to 0 for the I-235).

I would imagine that, in the short term, everybody along the construction zone is going to see some impact, but I think they'll have a good construction sequencing to maintain as much access to local businesses as possible. When all is said and done, we should see better, more direct access from the interstate to Bass Pro and that whole area.
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This is big ... although I think I235 is costing like a half billion or more isn't it?
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The DM freeway is costing $429 million (which doesn't include the rebuilding of the two mixmasters, which will come later). I quite shocked to see $1 Billion, but there are three major interchanges on this route. I like the idea of the 3 thru lanes and 3 local lanes in each direction on the I-29/I-80 section.
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Ingersoll1978 wrote:I like the idea of the 3 thru lanes and 3 local lanes in each direction on the I-29/I-80 section.
That's going to be a thing of beauty. Harkening back to the discussion Linkin5 and I were having about lane placement, I think this would be an example of the melding of our two ideas.
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$700 million I-80/29 reconstruction project

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A massive Interstate highway project costing more than $700 million and taking more than a decade to complete is scheduled to get under way in 2008 in Omaha and Council Bluffs.

A second Interstate 80 bridge will be built over the Missouri River to connect the two cities, and Interstates 80 and 29 will be widened and rebuilt.

The work will be the most expensive urban Interstate reconstruction project in Iowa history.

Details
- Second Missouri River bridge will be built and will carry westbound traffic (with the original
bridge being dedicated to eastbound traffic).
- Three interstate junctions in Council Bluffs, incl. I-80 and I-29 just east of the river which
today carries an average of 82,000 vehicles per day
- East and westbound lanes between the 80/29 junctions will have -6- lanes in either direction
- 2-mile stretch of I-80 on the Nebraska side will be widened with ramps at the 13th Street interchange being
rebuilt.
- A quick fix project will start in spring to add a third eastbound lane from 24th to the
eastern junction of I-80/29 to be completed in the following fall.
Mike Golwitzer does battle on eastbound I-80 in Council Bluffs every day. The Council Bluffs resident takes I-80 home every night from his Omaha business. The drive takes at least 20 minutes and can easily stretch to 40 minutes.

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:shock: Massive project and it’s a huge jump in capacity.
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The work will be the most expensive urban Interstate reconstruction project in Iowa history.
Interesting I thought DM would easily keep that crown.
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I do hope they build some awesome flyovers in the three complexes being redone. I know it’s just a freeway but it’s the principal of the thing.
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i'm not sure what they are doing yet but there a little construction going on on the 80 portion. it was at about 9pm but even with that traffic was backing up...
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They are adding a 3rd lane each direction as a temporary fix to capacity problems until they get the full-blown project in gear a few years down the road. Just between the two I-80/29 interchanges. They've been doing the prep work for a couple months now.

It's my understanding that IDOT is doing this now just to reduce the likelihood of traffic fatalities associated with under-capacity (partly because they've drug this process out so long already). Might seem kind of silly when they're just going to tear it all out in 3 years, but....they have their reasons I guess.
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but they will never learn their lesson
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