Avenue One (192nd & Dodge)

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:46 pm

Hello, Aksarben Village?
Actually Legacy has come together better than I thought it would as well. It's even walkable.

Jordan Creek?? Don't see it.

RockHarbor · Post by **RockHarbor** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:03 pm

Stargazer wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:46 pm Hello, Aksarben Village?
Actually Legacy has come together better than I thought it would as well. It's even walkable.

Jordan Creek?? Don't see it.

Of course, Aksarben Village has density. I'm not talking a residential/office/retail/restaurant /entertainment "new urbanism" village inserted near the heart of an aging city. I'm talking taller residential building heights & tighter spacing (more density), creating the need for more common areas, found within new projects out in suburbia on the edge of town -- yet all still having the common look & patterns of suburbia, built on meandering streets & parkways. It's not "new urbanism" at all, nor is it intending to be. The Jordan Creek area has some of that going on. I have pictures. Also, Google Maps 3D reveals it..

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:23 pm

I'm confused... aging city? Wouldn't that be the same city out at 192nd and Dodge?

Aksarben was just as undeveloped, in need of streets/sewers, as 192nd and Dodge is.

I'm sorry, but I think you're really stretching it here. Jordan Creek? Outside of clusters of multi-tenant buildings (which by the way is the extent of what you're illustrating above), which you'll find in any large multi-tenant complex, I don't see any density over there.

I see sprawling parking lots everywhere. Heck, at least First National Business Park has some parking garages.

RockHarbor · Post by **RockHarbor** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:42 pm

Stargazer wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:23 pm I'm confused... aging city? Wouldn't that be the same city out at 192nd and Dodge?

Aksarben was just as undeveloped, in need of streets/sewers, as 192nd and Dodge is.

I'm sorry, but I think you're really stretching it here. Jordan Creek? Outside of clusters of multi-tenant buildings (which by the way is the extent of what you're illustrating above), which you'll find in any large multi-tenant complex, I don't see any density over there.

I see sprawling parking lots everywhere. Heck, at least First National Business Park has some parking garages.

"Aging city": Aksarben has been inserted in the aging, heart of the city. It is "new" inserted in the midst of "old." (Yes, new suburbs are technically aging the minute they are built, but that's like saying "A person starts to die the minute they are born." That's getting a little technical.) Yes, the packed-in residential suburban density is mainly due east of the mall -- and the only area I see in West Omaha that is comparible to that is a packed-in area of stores & apartments on the SW corner of 180th & Center (or maybe it is 168th & Center). Again, you keep judging by "new urbanism" standards, where big parking lots are an eyesore. I'm not talking "new urbanism." I'm talking residential apartment/condo buildings packed in tighter, at least 3-4 stories tall, with smaller lawns spaces. More duplexes & smart multi-tenant design, ect. Less "single family house w/ a big yard" everywhere. I'm not saying it even compares to the California suburbs, but Des Moines has the same general, basic idea: Keep the suburban look, but start to pack people in tighter. Don't waste space giving everybody their own personal "big yard" they don't really need. They also dont have a stark contrast of "new urbanism" villages being put-in anywhere in West Des Moines that I can see -- but West Omaha gets one proposal after another. I'm with Des Moines & those CA suburbs: Those often are not appropriate.

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:06 pm

You're talking as if it's the developers who drive the market. Have you ever considered there might be a reason why, in California, they're building huge numbers of tightly packed apartments? I'm sure the cost of real estate has nothing to do with it.

As for Des Moines, it's so negligibly different... it's ridiculous to try to distinguish a difference.

It's funny, there's both Broadmoor at John's Creek... and Broadmoor Hills out on West Dodge.

Here's the dramatic difference. Is it the 'excess' of green space there Rock, which makes Broadmoor Hills so unappealing ? Hmm, I don't know... John's Creek looks just a bit more grid like.

As for the whole 'new urbanism' thing... so you're saying, 'tightly packed apartments' good... 'walk to nearby restaurants/entertainment/services' bad ?

This is starting to sound like Communist socialism.

RockHarbor · Post by **RockHarbor** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:42 pm

Stargazer wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:06 pm You're talking as if it's the developers who drive the market. Have you ever considered there might be a reason why, in California, they're building huge numbers of tightly packed apartments? I'm sure the cost of real estate has nothing to do with it.

As for Des Moines, it's so negligibly different... it's ridiculous to try to distinguish a difference.

It's funny, there's both Broadmoor at John's Creek... and Broadmoor Hills out on West Dodge.

Here's the dramatic difference. Is it the 'excess' of green space there Rock, which makes Broadmoor Hills so unappealing ? Hmm, I don't know... John's Creek looks just a bit more grid like.

As for the whole 'new urbanism' thing... so you're saying, 'tightly packed apartments' good... 'walk to nearby restaurants/entertainment/services' bad ?

This is starting to sound like Communist socialism.

No, I totally like the idea of walking to restaurants, coffee shops, stores from more packed-in apartments, ECT. In suburbia, with things stretched out, you can drive to your Starbucks that you consider "nearby", but when you walk it, and walk back home with that coffee, you've spent an hour or two of the day. I also like things spaced-out somewhat, and states like Nebraska & Iowa have lots of room for cities to spread out, but I also recognize we have to "change our ways" because America's cities have gotten too sprawling for their population count -- of course, because of all the single, 1 to 2-story family homes allowed on large, generous lots. It's amazing how Omaha spreads out near as large as foreign, bustling cities that are considered "mega cities" in the world. If the acreage of the built-up area of the Omaha metro was converted to a Mexico City-type scene w/ flat land, and dense, tightly-packed living areas, and big buildings rising up here & there, with busy clogged streets of buses & taxes, it would seem like a BIG world mega city that "goes on forever." (If you lay the Omaha area over Mexico City, for example, it is amazing how Omaha's sprawl is not as far short of Mexico City's size & scope, width & breadth than you would think.) This, logically, has got to change about our cities, and I feel smarter choices do need to begin. ///////////// I figure those CA suburbs are driven by the cost of living and the price of the land. Many people can't afford a house & yard there, but they can afford a nice condo. And, the pricey land proves more profitable the more people you fit on it. Am I not correct? I'll acknowledge my West Des Moines example is "ify", while the CA suburb is not. But, things always look bigger & beefier in person. That area east of Jordan Creek felt surprisingly dense in person, but on Google maps, it doesn't look as dense to me as it seemed & felt. Same thing with that California suburb. I've seen that area in person, and those mega apartment/condo communities looked gargantuan in person. On Google Maps 3D, it doesn't seem as impressive, because I'm hovering over them -- not a person made to feel tiny on the ground, compared to their scale.

Post by **BRoss** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:57 pm

RockHarbor wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:42 pm On Google Maps 3D, it doesn't seem as impressive, because I'm hovering over them -- not a person made to feel tiny on the ground, compared to their scale.

While I haven't been there in person, the Street View doesn't look much different than some other Broadmoor sites around town. For example - Vanderbilt and Biltmore out at Papillon Pkwy & Blondo.

RockHarbor · Post by **RockHarbor** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:57 pm

HR Paperstacks wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:57 pm
RockHarbor wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:42 pm On Google Maps 3D, it doesn't seem as impressive, because I'm hovering over them -- not a person made to feel tiny on the ground, compared to their scale.
While I haven't been there in person, the Street View doesn't look much different than some other Broadmoor sites around town. For example - Vanderbilt and Biltmore out at Papillon Pkwy & Blondo.

Well, the "Street View" would look similar to a person on a sidewalk or in a car -- of course. But, when you're looking at structures from 3D on Google Maps, and hovering over them, they don't look as big to me. For example, the Whispering Ridge apartments at 176th & Maple don't look huge on Google Maps 3D, but when you're on the main entrance street through their 4-story sections, they seem really lofty & big & bulky (for West Omaha). That's what I mean. When I was looking for those CA suburb pictures, I wasn't locating those projects at first, because I was looking for something bigger (from the air). When you zoom in, though, they look pretty big (even in the pics I featured). But, in person, looking at them at a distance, they were jaw-droppingly big & wide projects of decent height. Of course, I've never seen suburban residential projects & communities that big & bulky in Omaha.

teamK1920 · Post by **teamK1920** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Does anyone have a plan that can be shared/emailed? I can zoom in to the one above close enough to really see anything. Thanks.

iamjacobm · Post by **iamjacobm** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:41 pm

Platting docs that the board is voting on. Kind of an info dump, but site plans at the bottom.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... ary/17.pdf

ita · Post by **ita** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:50 am

iamjacobm wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:41 pm Platting docs that the board is voting on. Kind of an info dump, but site plans at the bottom.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... ary/17.pdf

Here's an update concerning the Omaha City Council approving this project. Grow Omaha referenced this letter. It's ambitious, but definitely decade-plus build out. It will be interesting if they can get businesses and projects going as quickly as Heartwood has.

https://avenueoneomaha.com/wp-content/u ... al-003.pdf

Post by **BRoss** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:35 am

Story in the OWH today:

Cindy Gonzalez / World-Herald staff writer wrote:It's been a long road, but the billion-dollar 'gateway' project in west Omaha is happening

Construction of R&R’s first 100,000-square-foot office building is slated to begin yet this year.

That structure, on the east side of 192nd Street, will rise even before any tenants have been secured.

...

When completely built over multiple years, Fountain Ridge East would contain about 680,000 square feet of Class A office space, Homa said. Fountain Ridge West would include about 200,000 square feet of building space and specialize in medical tenants.

The investment is expected to total about $300 million, he said.

...

When fully built out — projections say that could take up to 20 years — the Avenue One venture by Hofer’s Jasper Stone Partners and Kansas City-based Block Real Estate Services could have a value of $1.2 billion.

All told, Hofer said, that would include 800,000 square feet of corporate and medical office space; 700,000 square feet of retail stores; 215 hotel rooms; 2,000 residential units; 26 acres of green space; a public plaza; and 6 miles of walking and biking trails.

Ground work already has started on the first phase, which is to deliver 458 multifamily units, 628,000 square feet of retail and office space.

...

Meanwhile, Hofer is still pushing for what he considers to be the crown jewel, a pedestrian bridge over West Dodge to link new development on the southwest corner to Youngman Lake and park area on the northwest.

ScrattyB · Post by **ScrattyB** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:18 pm

I find this statement odd:

Hofer is still pushing for what he considers to be the crown jewel, a pedestrian bridge over West Dodge to link new development on the southwest corner to Youngman Lake and park area on the northwest.

Really, a bridge is the crown jewel? I'm all for more pedestrian bridges, but they should be more of a given and not just some hope and dream.

stormchaser · Post by **stormchaser** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:32 pm

ScrattyB wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:18 pm I find this statement odd:
Hofer is still pushing for what he considers to be the crown jewel, a pedestrian bridge over West Dodge to link new development on the southwest corner to Youngman Lake and park area on the northwest.
Really, a bridge is the crown jewel? I'm all for more pedestrian bridges, but they should be more of a given and not just some hope and dream.

I thought the same thing...

Rendering of the proposed pedestrian bridge? (I'm kidding obviously)

Omahacritic · Post by **Omahacritic** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:51 pm

ScrattyB wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:18 pm I find this statement odd:
Hofer is still pushing for what he considers to be the crown jewel, a pedestrian bridge over West Dodge to link new development on the southwest corner to Youngman Lake and park area on the northwest.
Really, a bridge is the crown jewel? I'm all for more pedestrian bridges, but they should be more of a given and not just some hope and dream.

Was thinking along those lines. The thing would have to be nearly as long as Bob Kerry bridge. Let the developer pay for and maintain his own jewels.

iamjacobm · Post by **iamjacobm** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:17 pm

This was approved for an "Enhanced Employment District" similar to the Outlet Mall, The Capitol District and Blackstone. 1.75% additional tax on hotels, restaurants and retails sales. Office space starts at 55 cents per square foot with a 2% escalator.

Another tax island to know about.

Post by **Brad** » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 pm

I saw some sort of ground breaking with a big white tent on Thursday morning.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:22 pm

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omaha1967 · Post by **omaha1967** » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:10 am

Anyone have any idea what the structures are that are currently going up near Dodge?

Post by **Brad** » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:36 pm

omaha1967 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:10 am Anyone have any idea what the structures are that are currently going up near Dodge?

The elevator shafts? I think its for an office building. I don't remember any tenants being named.

Taco · Post by **Taco** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:13 pm

I rarely head out this way, so haven't seen anything personally since last fall. Has there been any progress on construction? Their social media has gone silent this year.

Post by **Brad** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:26 pm

Taco wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:13 pm I rarely head out this way, so haven't seen anything personally since last fall. Has there been any progress on construction? Their social media has gone silent this year.

I have some aerials I will get posted up soon.

Taco · Post by **Taco** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:52 pm

Brad wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:26 pm
Taco wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:13 pm I rarely head out this way, so haven't seen anything personally since last fall. Has there been any progress on construction? Their social media has gone silent this year.
I have some aerials I will get posted up soon.

Awesome, I always look forward to those, Brad.

Post by **BRoss** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:28 pm

They have a building along Dodge that is pretty far along.

ita · Post by **ita** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:41 pm

Application for final plat for a portion of Avenue One. Focus on residential portion consisting of 251 residential units in 21 buildings.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... May/10.pdf

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Fri May 07, 2021 3:34 pm

The fountain is on

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Tue May 11, 2021 11:19 am

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0FqaQlA ... iQ#Elkhorn

omahahawk · Post by **omahahawk** » Tue May 11, 2021 4:36 pm

You should see this thing at night if you haven't already, makes a big statement.

HskrFanMike · Post by **HskrFanMike** » Tue May 11, 2021 9:16 pm

We drove by it Saturday night... that fountain is definitely attraction getting. Worth the drive out west, even if you don't have another reason to drive to Elkhorn.

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Sat May 15, 2021 10:10 pm

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0sP8CGE ... Bw#Elkhorn

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0JG9OQE ... bQ#Elkhorn

omahahawk · Post by **omahahawk** » Sun May 16, 2021 1:29 pm

I know, thing looks like a volcano or something on fire right?

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Sun May 16, 2021 4:57 pm

I was wondering why that new street lights already on. We drove from those apartments up on the hill all the way through to 192nd, so makes sense now.

U R my Helix · Post by **U R my Helix** » Sun May 23, 2021 10:03 pm

Adding to Ita’s post. Sundance Townhomes at Avenue One. 251 Units proposed. 195th & Chicago. Timberland Partners. Look to website at https://timberlandpartners.com/developm ... ce-living/ for development information. Added to Apartment index page and Omaha Apartment Map.

LetsBeReal22 · Post by **LetsBeReal22** » Mon May 24, 2021 10:12 am

U R my Helix wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 10:03 pm Adding to Ita’s post. Sundance Townhomes at Avenue One. 251 Units proposed. 195th & Chicago. Timberland Partners.

Another apartment complex. Rent price is going to be very interesting.

riceweb · Post by **riceweb** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:32 am

Does anyone have any realistic timeframes for the heart of this development--their "main street"? The infrastructure has gotta be nearly all in place, the first 2 offices on the eastern flank of the project are moving along steadily, and now the apartments on the western flank are about to be built. What about the rest? Should we expect to see something like a parking garage go up next? Will the commercial spaces be the next likely thing built out, and on what schedule?

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm

Haven’t seen any particular work going on for the stuff closer to the street. But they are starting to plant trees at the intersection.

And there’s finally a sign for the new building on 192nd and Center NW, it’s an Aldi’s

iamjacobm · Post by **iamjacobm** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:53 pm

248 apartments to go here.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... ust/25.pdf

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:34 pm

Does anybody know what’s going in that plot by Grey Fawn Plz labeled “DR”?

Post by **Brad** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:55 pm

MTO wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:34 pm Does anybody know what’s going in that plot by Grey Fawn Plz labeled “DR”?

South of Grey Fawn is an addition to the Ravelo 192 apartments. There is a stormwater basin to the north, but north of the basin is a senior living community.