Regency Landing (NEC 680 and Pacific)

[RockHarbor]

So you do want more wealth division. Got it. And those 'mass tracts' of housing are stretching this city thin.

No, its not that I necessarily want more "wealth division" per say in a snobby way, I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision. (The Regency/District 66/Westside area, and the Linden Estates/Linden Park/Candlewood area is kind of that way.) But, our farm grid causes a "start fresh & new" mindset every square mile, easily helping this "patchwork quilt" of different alternating classes in West Omaha. So, then we have enormous gorgeous McMansions & golf courses within view of a contemporary block & stucco Kmart or Walmart and average strip malls w/ GameStops. So this is more a want born out of my love of design and seeing charming areas formed w/ consistency, rather than such a hodgepodge of different things all the time. Dont get me wrong, I think West Omaha looks very nice, but in some ways, it could look/seem nicer. (Also, I have my definite concerns with low quality tract housing in the long haul, although I admit I find whole streets of homes going up at once exciting. Celebrity Homes brought that to Omaha. Also, I realistically cant expect every starter home to be so custom & charming & built solidly w/ impressive craftsmanship, that you wonder if the "Seven Dwarfs" are in town building starter homes for people. That doesn't keep the price affordable for one, and two: They couldn't keep up with the demand.)

[obvious2677]

So you do want more wealth division. Got it. And those 'mass tracts' of housing are stretching this city thin.

No, its not that I necessarily want more "wealth division" per say in a snobby way, I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision. (The Regency/District 66/Westside area, and the Linden Estates/Linden Park/Candlewood area is kind of that way.)

This is a bad take. There is no way to do this without being "snobby." There's already a huge "snob" factor when you say you live in a certain area - "Regency," "Fairacres," etc. Why would anyone want to expand that to larger tracts of land and push the 1% / 10% etc. into even more exclusivity? Pass.

[RockHarbor]

So you do want more wealth division. Got it. And those 'mass tracts' of housing are stretching this city thin.

No, its not that I necessarily want more "wealth division" per say in a snobby way, I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision. (The Regency/District 66/Westside area, and the Linden Estates/Linden Park/Candlewood area is kind of that way.)

This is a bad take. There is no way to do this without being "snobby." There's already a huge "snob" factor when you say you live in a certain area - "Regency," "Fairacres," etc. Why would anyone want to expand that to larger tracts of land and push the 1% / 10% etc. into even more exclusivity? Pass.

How does it work in any other city then? Omaha is the unique one -- as far as I can see. Is Omaha a special "saintly city", or something? Again, I think our farm grid helps push this aspect of Omaha. (Again, I find it all respectful. And, I'm not some rich & snobby person. I equally like all classes of people -- like that Jack guy on the Titanic movie, for example. My deal has to deal with grouping things of high quality together. Beautiful suburban office buildings look better butting up against ritzy homes & golf courses. They just do. I don't like to see them butting up against starter homes.) I dont think people at Champions Run golf course should have to look at a Kmart either.

[Busguy2010]

I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision.

I think the Village Pointe area is just what you're talking about. That whole square mile SW of 168th & Dodge is a good compound of wealth as far as homes, stores, and offices go. But, one square mile is small. I find it funny that on the other side of the railroad tracks is a trailer park.

SW of 168th & center is another one. But i see what you're saying, our wealthiest neighborhoods are dotted throughout west Omaha. It is interesting to imagine if you had Village Pointe surrounded by linden estates, followed by some lesser wealthy neighborhoods in a continuous fan. It would be disgustingly aloof, though. I would never go there.

So I kind of like all the poorly built neighborhoods mixed with all the wealth in west Omaha. Takes em down a notch. It'll be interesting in the future I think we'll have these beautiful, well built neighborhoods standing proud, surrounded by dumps filled with the very people they got away from in the first place.

[Busguy2010]

I dont think people at Champions Run golf course should have to look at a Kmart either.

That whole area is doomed. I can see it happening today. There is a westward expansion of North Omaha actively occurring. I see increasing indicators of low income at 132nd and Maple/Fort each time I go out there.

I used to go out there all the time when my sister lived at 168th and Fort, when that whole northwest part of town was brand new and remember how nice everything was. After she moved, I never really went there for a good 6 or so years and I remember being back in that neighborhood for the first time last year. I was flabbergasted, thinking "this is just like my neighborhood (north 72nd)!" Ever since, I kinda feel more comfortable out there, like it's not too exclusive for my taste anymore. Heck, even the Wal-Mart at 168th and Maple isnt nice anymore!

[obvious2677]

I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision.

I think the Village Pointe area is just what you're talking about. That whole square mile SW of 168th & Dodge is a good compound of wealth as far as homes, stores, and offices go. But, one square mile is small. I find it funny that on the other side of the railroad tracks is a trailer park.

...Not anymore. The first 12 trailers were demolished for the road expansion. I'm fairly certain the rest are going to be demolished (if they haven't been already). The nice house that sits up on the hill is owned by THF LLC - the mailing address of which is Broadmoor Development. Most likely, you'll see a big apartment complex there in a few years...

[obvious2677]

Heck, even the Wal-Mart at 168th and Maple isnt nice anymore!

Uppity folks don't go to Walmart - when you see the Target go downhill, you'll notice the neighborhood has turned. The Target there is nice.

[buildomaha]

So you do want more wealth division. Got it. And those 'mass tracts' of housing are stretching this city thin.

No, its not that I necessarily want more "wealth division" per say in a snobby way, I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision. (The Regency/District 66/Westside area, and the Linden Estates/Linden Park/Candlewood area is kind of that way.)

This is a bad take. There is no way to do this without being "snobby." There's already a huge "snob" factor when you say you live in a certain area - "Regency," "Fairacres," etc. Why would anyone want to expand that to larger tracts of land and push the 1% / 10% etc. into even more exclusivity? Pass.

How does it work any other city then? Omaha is the unique one -- as far as I can see. Is Omaha a special "saintly city", or something? Again, I think our farm grid helps push this aspect of Omaha. (Again, I find it all respectful. And, Im not some rich & snobby person. I equally like all classes of people -- like that Jack guy on the Titanic movie, for example. My deal has to deal with grouping things of high quality together. Beautiful suburban office buildings look better butting up against ritzy homes & golf courses. They just do. I dont like to see them butting up against starter homes.) I dont think people at Champions Run golf course should have to look at a Kmart either.

Geographically separating people by wealth is much of the reason America has such a big crime issue. If you concentrate all of the money in only certain areas of the city there is nothing for the rest of us schlums. It provides the perfect background for huuuuge socioeconomic issues. I’m fact I would argue it is what is happening right now, the 10% are hoarding wealth at the top and trying to find new ways to keep it from spilling down and THAT is why inequality is growing. Our gleaming example in Omaha is Elkhorn. Everyone with money moves straight to Elkhorn and we have a sort of “Private School” disguised as a “Public School” that can only be attained by building a $300k+ house out there. You can have a society where people coexist and mutually benefit from access to the same schools, parks, Law Enforcement, and other public amenities and measures. Its not like anyone is purposely trying to close out the pour people, it’s a gradual shift that happens with small decisions which add up. I think a more perfect and equal society is greatly more beneficial to all citizens than a nice ritzy neighborhood that looks good.

[Busguy2010]

Heck, even the Wal-Mart at 168th and Maple isnt nice anymore!

Uppity folks don't go to Walmart - when you see the Target go downhill, you'll notice the neighborhood has turned. The Target there is nice.

Okay, but it was definitely more exclusive when it was first built. Now it reminds me a lot more of the others. With the way 132nd and Maple is changing, people will be choosing between that one and the Irvington Walmart

[Busguy2010]

Its not like anyone is purposely trying to close out the pour people, it’s a gradual shift that happens with small decisions which add up.

I agree with you. A person's decision to exit a certain part of town is about their own perceived positive movement and not a negative action directed at the neighborhood they left for whatever reason. But these small decisions do have a large impact on the community as a whole when everyone makes that same decision.

[obvious2677]

Heck, even the Wal-Mart at 168th and Maple isnt nice anymore!

Uppity folks don't go to Walmart - when you see the Target go downhill, you'll notice the neighborhood has turned. The Target there is nice.

Okay, but it was definitely more exclusive when it was first built. Now it reminds me a lot more of the others. With the way 132nd and Maple is changing, people will be choosing between that one and the Irvington Walmart

That was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.... Must not have come across like that

[Busguy2010]

That was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.... Must not have come across like that

Now I see it. Didn't know at first because there are a lot of people that absolutely prefer Target over Walmart.

[RockHarbor]

This is a great discussion. I do feel that a consistent "chex mix" of different classes is healthy in West Omaha. The inner city is a mix of all, too, and I feel people of all different classes make a city interesting & vibrant -- from the friendly homeless man to the eccentric starving artist to the top business exec. (I don't hold it against people for being poor, middle class, or wealthy. Ive known great people of all classes. Ive learned in life: It doesn't matter what people look like, or how much is in people's bank account, ANYBODY can act proud & snobby and ANYBODY can be humble and not pretentious.)

It is probably better to do things the way Omaha does it. Yet, I just like when you visit other cities and they have extensive wealthy suburbs, and even strip malls and grocery stores are brick & fancy. In Omaha, it's almost embarrassing when somebody drives some visitor through Regency, and they say "This is like our 'Beverly Hills.'" Its just a subdivision for crying out loud. There is no true "Beverly Hills" or "Minnetonka" of Omaha.

I agree that 132nd & Maple has some pockets of whatever you call it... Almost like that feeling in older parts of Millard of "beer, keno, and cigarettes."

Elkhorn doesn't have starter homes? Interesting. I guess I never noticed that because of those middle class neighborhoods that are older over there (like "Winterburn" or whatever it is called.)

[RockHarbor]

I just wish Omaha had more opportunities to develop consistant & flowing areas of ritzy housing & golf courses & ritzy shopping, therefore a larger area is consistantly the same quality of design and has a tony reputation -- rather than just a subdivision.

I think the Village Pointe area is just what you're talking about. That whole square mile SW of 168th & Dodge is a good compound of wealth as far as homes, stores, and offices go. But, one square mile is small. I find it funny that on the other side of the railroad tracks is a trailer park.

SW of 168th & center is another one. But i see what you're saying, our wealthiest neighborhoods are dotted throughout west Omaha. It is interesting to imagine if you had Village Pointe surrounded by linden estates, followed by some lesser wealthy neighborhoods in a continuous fan. It would be disgustingly aloof, though. I would never go there.

So I kind of like all the poorly built neighborhoods mixed with all the wealth in west Omaha. Takes em down a notch. It'll be interesting in the future I think we'll have these beautiful, well built neighborhoods standing proud, surrounded by dumps filled with the very people they got away from in the first place.

I wanted to reply to this...

"People they got away from..." I do acknowledge that, realistically, different classes of people have different culture. If somebody goes from "rags to riches", that doesn't mean the "riches" group is perfect, but sometimes they just don't want to be around the particular drama that is often found back in the "rags" group.

I don't think that is necessarily a "bad thing." (Personally, I don't relate to the "ghetto mindset", and I don't want to relate to it. If I had grown up in a ghetto, and worked hard and worked my way out of it, then I wouldn't want to be pulled steps backward right back into it either.) Yet, I do feel like if people that have money feel like they are "better" than other people, or "look down their nose" at other people in lower classes, then that is wrong -- imo, anyways. First off, just because people are in a "lower class" than other people, doesn't mean they have "less than" them. We've all heard that some of the wealthiest people are some of the unhappiest & unfulfilled, and some of the poorest people are the happiest. Sometimes, people without money can be genuinely excited by a simpler life & little things. Logically, not everyone is going to be (or meant to be) some top exec in town, or Harvard Graduate. Some people are meant to be car mechanics, Taco Bell clerks, or janitors, or whatever. I know janitors that do a splendid job, and I respect a person for that. In the working world, my mindset is: "If you work hard, and do your job well, than I respect you."

Yes, the Village Point area is another good example of a significant area of wealthier real estate -- like the Regency/District 66 area I mentioned. But, again, it comes down this "whole square mile of wealth" peculiar thing in Omaha. Again, I think this is simply because the criss-crossing streets of the farm grid really create solid & strong dividing lines that help justify something different for the next square mile -- and that farm grid likely aids Omaha's zoning rules. (Perhaps that farm grid psychologically helped create those zoning rules?) Similarly, in any city's downtown, skyscrapers of different designs rise up on individual city blocks -- the dividing streets helping to justify "a new thing" designed on each square block. That's why you don't hardly see a complex of twin, mirror-image buildings standing together, yet each on their own square city block. That seems a bit strange to me. (If you look at Plano, TX, outside of Dallas, there are miles & miles & miles of subdivisions of similar quality & class. Perhaps the way larger amount of construction down there justifies bigger swaths of similar real estate. They also don't have an existing farm grid already dividing the land in sections to develop, like Omaha. Instead, they have these major meandering parkways that are created.)

[Busguy2010]

I wanted to reply to this...

"People they got away from..." I do acknowledge that, realistically, different classes of people have different culture. If somebody goes from "rags to riches", that doesn't mean the "riches" group is perfect, but sometimes they just don't want to be around the particular drama that is often found back in the "rags" group.

I don't think that is necessarily a "bad thing." (Personally, I don't relate to the "ghetto mindset", and I don't want to relate to it. If I had grown up in a ghetto, and worked hard and worked my way out of it, then I wouldn't want to be pulled steps backward right back into it either.) Yet, I do feel like if people that have money feel like they are "better" than other people, or "look down their nose" at other people in lower classes, then that is wrong -- imo, anyways. First off, just because people are in a "lower class" than other people, doesn't mean they have "less than" them. We've all heard that some of the wealthiest people are some of the unhappiest & unfulfilled, and some of the poorest people are the happiest. Sometimes, people without money can be genuinely excited by a simpler life & little things.

Even though I grew up in district 66, I was in the very northeast corner and so the difference between my neighborhood and some of the richest in the district was huge. Being in the northeast part, I grew up around Benson, 72nd & Ames and all that area. As a kid, I went all over town on the bus, alone. Then I went to college in both north and South Omaha, so I actually hung out in those areas quite a bit for a few years. I took the bus everywhere as well, and I wasn't one of the students that drives to campus, stays on campus, and drives back. I stayed in the neighborhoods for the better half of the day and during those times eating at the restaurants, walking down the streets, waiting at the bus stops, you learn a lot. You definitely see and encounter some peculiar things that you wouldn't see in the squeaky clean suburbs, and a lot of that has to do with mental illness, substance abuse, homelessness, education, lack of parenting. The bottom line I learned is most people "in the hood" are just normal people living amongst more crime than normal, more mentally ill people than normal, and just some bad people, so you have to keep your guard up. But once you learn who the good people are, you have to connect with them and when you learn the bad people you gotta avoid them or be able to stand your ground. It's just different, and obviously, since I have a better feel for that life, I can't relate so much to the other. I couldn't imagine growing up at 180th and Q and staying in that kind of environment my whole life. I always feel sooo weird when I go to west Omaha. Like I said, I'm a little more comfortable in northwest Omaha, because Its not so homogeneous like it used to be. I just don't feel like I belong out there, it's gotta be a very different life than what I'm used to.

[RockHarbor]

Good to hear your story. I think to sum it up simply: "Having a lot of money creates a certain culture & dynamic. Having some money creates a certain culture & dynamic. Having no money creates a certain culture & dynamic." (The different classes have different cultures. They just do. And, logically, there can be "good people" and "bad people" in every class. I personally don't consider people in any class "better" than in another, and it would be too much to go into why. Well, then again, I really don't need to explain why -- it should be obvious why. But, unfortunately, society can sometimes make people feel that way.)

As far as suburban Omaha goes, I like NW Omaha the best, too. I didnt grow up in Bellevue, Papillion or LaVista, so the south end of the metro is "foreign" to me (esp Bellevue). I do find the LaVista/Papillion area becoming more attractive & alluring, though. I know SW Omaha very well, and its almost like Ive looked at it all so long its like looking at an old shirt in the closet you've worn way too much and too long. I practically want to barf at the site of Millard Plaza. NW Omaha is all so new, there is not much "established history" there (with the exception of Old Town Elkhorn, which Omaha is just reaching), and I like it best, too. But, I still think SW Omaha (getting out to Gretna now) is very attractive, too.

[jsheets]

Regency Landing looks nice
https://online.flippingbook.com/view/550792/1

[Cermak]

That’s some prime land, hopefully it won’t sit idle long. I was surprised the Regency hotel closed as they did a major remodel I believe back in the 90’s. One thing I remember about that land is it gets a fair amount of interstate traffic noise. I’m not sure I would want to live there. But it would make great land for office, hotel and retail.

[nebugeater]

That’s some prime land, hopefully it won’t sit idle long. I was surprised the Regency hotel closed as they did a major remodel I believe back in the 90’s. One thing I remember about that land is it gets a fair amount of interstate traffic noise. I’m not sure I would want to live there. But it would make great land for office, hotel and retail.

But back in the 90's is +/- 25 years ago.

[ita]

Regency Landing looks nice
https://online.flippingbook.com/view/550792/1

Thanks for the link. That would be a great use for the spot and look great off of 680. I wonder how this will pan out. Will renovation of the current office/retail building that looks old-west-ish get renovated first? Or is everything going to happen at once, as soon as they can secure a tenant(s) for the office building?

[daveoma]

Wow according to their brochure, 120th and Dodge has the highest concentration of jobs outside of downtown!

[bigredmed1]

Wow according to their brochure, 120th and Dodge has the highest concentration of jobs outside of downtown!

Go hit a place for lunch in that area some work week. I live nearby. Work elsewhere, on a day off, I went to 114th and Dodge to grab a quick bite. It was SRO.

[jomaha9]

I found this on LinkedIn and I have not heard about this before. Does anyone know if this is a real proposal?

https://online.flippingbook.com/view/550792/

[jomaha9]

Thank you mods! I didn't know there was a thread on this.

[Brad]

Looks like the fire department has been doing hole cutting training on the roof of the old hotel.

[Crockett1985]

Here's my philosophy on our city's future, and none of us may ever live to see it happen, but I seriously believe in due time, all of these cookie cutter suburban neighborhoods will be our future ghetto areas. This is all simply because of the poor quality building standards these houses were held to.

The houses in north and south Omaha were built in the late 1800's to 1920's, so that means these well built houses went from normal to some of the poorest or even dilapidated in 60 to 80 years. I ask, "how long can you care for a house before it becomes too much work for what its worth?" In regard to the new cookie cutter (hearthstone and celebrity types) suburban houses going up, the answer to me is "not long". Another question is "how long before property values begin to dip due to the problems these low-quality neighborhoods will eventually see?" Honestly, I see these new houses becoming undesirable in a matter of 40 years. Low income groups will be buying or renting these houses out of necessity, while the value of the core continues to rise. Mr. Low Income's old 1918 sub 100K house will be renovated into a 200k house in the next up and coming neighborhood, while he struggles to keep his 2008 new house in one piece.

I've been in the housing market for a while here and while I get my down payment together (should only be another 9 months or so before I've got it all), I browse Zillow/NP Dodge daily. One overarching theme I've seen among a lot of the 'cookie cutter' places are HGTV-inspired renovations. Sure, some haven't updated major functional attributes like the roof, HVAC etc, but most have and I've seen prices of those match brand new Celebrity homes (at $180-220K+)

[Busguy2010]

I've been in the housing market for a while here and while I get my down payment together (should only be another 9 months or so before I've got it all), I browse Zillow/NP Dodge daily. One overarching theme I've seen among a lot of the 'cookie cutter' places are HGTV-inspired renovations. Sure, some haven't updated major functional attributes like the roof, HVAC etc, but most have and I've seen prices of those match brand new Celebrity homes (at $180-220K+)

I dont want to say much off topic since this was dug up, so I'll just say that my theory is still well in play since the houses I spoke of are barely over 10 years old.

[Coyote]

Regency Lodge is now scheduled for demo.

[ita]

https://www.omaha.com/money/an-increasi ... 9ccd7.html

The OWH reports that Access Commercial is the developer behind Regency Landing. They are planning for the long haul, acknowledging that the TD sale is going to affect them in the short term. Nonetheless, there is an upfront investment of $20 million, probably including demo of Regency Lodge and Phase One of the project. Here are the planned phases:

Phase One: Rehab of the bigger Shaker Place building 66,000 sq. ft.
Phase Two: Hotel, should be double the height of Regency Lodge
Phase Three/Four: Two office buildings totaling up to 250,000 sq. ft.

Renderings in the article are also in the flipbook link in a prior post.

[skinzfan23]

[OmahaFan]

Might as well not build it if we keep getting stabbed in the back by business's leaving us.

[Brad]

Demolition is well underway.

[nativeomahan]

I can’t help but note how motels built in the 1970s were of much better construction materials. Concrete walls and floors separated all of the motel rooms in the Regency Lodge, as well as the old Holiday Inn on 72nd and Grover. Nobody builds that quality any more. Stay in a motel these days and you can hear your neighbor’s TV blaring, or plenty of other things.

[ita]

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/Regency ... /12325459/

Here's a listing for Regency Landing. It will apparently be available Feb 2021. I drove by recently, nothing had been done to this building.

[ricko]

I can’t help but note how motels built in the 1970s were of much better construction materials. Concrete walls and floors separated all of the motel rooms in the Regency Lodge, as well as the old Holiday Inn on 72nd and Grover. Nobody builds that quality any more. Stay in a motel these days and you can hear your neighbor’s TV blaring, or plenty of other things.

It's called squeezing blood out of a turnip---saves $. It's one of my hotel 'pet-peeves'. The only time I've ever banged on the wall was when the neighbors must have been practicing S&M techniques (Munich, of course) at 4 A.M.. Sounded like someone was torturing an elephant.

[Cermak]

This is some prime real estate. Hopefully something happens here and it’s not another Lanoha lot.

[bigredmed1]

I can’t help but note how motels built in the 1970s were of much better construction materials. Concrete walls and floors separated all of the motel rooms in the Regency Lodge, as well as the old Holiday Inn on 72nd and Grover. Nobody builds that quality any more. Stay in a motel these days and you can hear your neighbor’s TV blaring, or plenty of other things.

IIRC: there was a big push to build firewalls in hotels and apartments in that era. The ability to get building permits was based on them.

[Brad]

I drove by recently, nothing had been done to this building.

There was an excavator working the other day. First time I have seen action there in a while.

[zippy]

In the overhead shot on that loopnet listing, the gas station really looks out of place. Is there a tendency to put gas stations and fire stations in close proximity? I'm thinking of the one across Pacific St here, and also the one by Methodist/Children's. Both have an Amoco nearby in a strange spot.

[bigredmed1]

In the overhead shot on that loopnet listing, the gas station really looks out of place. Is there a tendency to put gas stations and fire stations in close proximity? I'm thinking of the one across Pacific St here, and also the one by Methodist/Children's. Both have an Amoco nearby in a strange spot.

The gas station by Childrens predates everything around it. It was built at a fork in the road where Dodge street continued straight west and Hwy 6 took off to the NW. it now, Dodge street and west Dodge Road.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the gas station also predated the other structures at 680 and Pacific.