D.R. Horton

[ita]

https://www.drhorton.com/nebraska#

I can't find the Facebook post now, but D.R. Horton is entering the Omaha market. This will be an interesting development for the area.

[Louie]

Holy cow, they have built in 90 different markets in 29 states. Thats crazy for a homebuilder.

[ita]

Holy cow, they have built in 90 different markets in 29 states. Thats crazy for a homebuilder.

They are fortune 500 company and sold over 70k homes last year. Biggest homebulider by volume in the country. They also have a several thousand home project in Hawaii they were approved for last year. I am wondering what local homebuilders think about this. DR Horton has hands in both the entry level and luxury home markets, so everyone will have new competition, depending on how they build in this market.

[Louie]

Holy cow, they have built in 90 different markets in 29 states. Thats crazy for a homebuilder.

They are fortune 500 company and sold over 70k homes last year. Biggest homebulider by volume in the country. They also have a several thousand home project in Hawaii they were approved for last year. I am wondering what local homebuilders think about this. DR Horton has hands in both the entry level and luxury home markets, so everyone will have new competition, depending on how they build in this market.

Well with the main shortage of houses being in the entry level price range, perhaps they will finally help out there. But I doubt it.

[damonhynes]

I've been doing prelim research on the Houston exurbs/smallish towns 30-90 minutes from city center. Keeping it below $200K, but I can tell you that there are small builders that will build $120 to 160K cookiecutter 3bd/2ba all day long down there--100+unit developments.

I have seen some DR Horton in the area, and I do know of one Del Webb--both of these developers are out of my price range.

Of course, you get what you pay for--no basements, insulation quality is all over the place, so I have work to do once I get closer to go time.

Point is, I don't see much development in the 120-200 range in Omaha/burbs. In Springfield, there is a 300-400K McMansion development that's run out of steam at 50% completion, and the evil spectre of multi-family developments being built. Nothing in between.

[Louie]

I've been doing prelim research on the Houston exurbs/smallish towns 30-90 minutes from city center. Keeping it below $200K, but I can tell you that there are small builders that will build $120 to 160K cookiecutter 3bd/2ba all day long down there--100+unit developments.

I have seen some DR Horton in the area, and I do know of one Del Webb--both of these developers are out of my price range.

Of course, you get what you pay for--no basements, insulation quality is all over the place, so I have work to do once I get closer to go time.

Point is, I don't see much development in the 120-200 range in Omaha/burbs. In Springfield, there is a 300-400K McMansion development that's run out of steam at 50% completion, and the evil spectre of multi-family developments being built. Nothing in between.

Evil spectre of multi-family developments?

[damonhynes]

Evil spectre of multi-family developments?

About thirty years ago, the first apartment complex in Springfield went up. Seldin. All of the residents on assistance.

I admit, condos have their charms, but Murphy's Law tells me not to expect $250K, HOA multi-family. I expect apartment complexes like the ones around Q Street and North 108th that seem to catch fire every other week. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

[bigredmed1]

Evil spectre of multi-family developments?

About thirty years ago, the first apartment complex in Springfield went up. Seldin. All of the residents on assistance.

I admit, condos have their charms, but Murphy's Law tells me not to expect $250K, HOA multi-family. I expect apartment complexes like the ones around Q Street and North 108th that seem to catch fire every other week. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

There may be more in the 150-250k range. Multi family with concrete firewalls between the units so you have quiet might sell in this market. Especially with nice amenities that you can’t get in the city (real pool that are more than 3 strokes long, for example.)

[ita]

Evil spectre of multi-family developments?

About thirty years ago, the first apartment complex in Springfield went up. Seldin. All of the residents on assistance.

I admit, condos have their charms, but Murphy's Law tells me not to expect $250K, HOA multi-family. I expect apartment complexes like the ones around Q Street and North 108th that seem to catch fire every other week. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

There may be more in the 150-250k range. Multi family with concrete firewalls between the units so you have quiet might sell in this market. Especially with nice amenities that you can’t get in the city (real pool that are more than 3 strokes long, for example.)

DR's entry level (sub-$250k) does seem to be townhomes in a lot of the markets they are in, but a quick look at their Des Moines offerings, and it looks like SFH. Also, they all start over $250k.

https://www.drhorton.com/iowa/des-moines#

[ita]

Looks like pioneer view is their first landing ground in Omaha.

https://m.facebook.com/104634391752885/ ... &source=48

[ita]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

[Louie]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

Starting in the low $300s...something we already have plenty of. We need homestock that's accessible to people just starting out.

[ita]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

Starting in the low $300s...something we already have plenty of. We need homestock that's accessible to people just starting out.

Funny you should mention that...this is pulled from the article:

Vince Leisey of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Ambassador Real Estate said at the recent Commercial Real Estate Summit that he sees D.R. Horton replacing some volume historically supplied by HearthStone Homes before that builder went bankrupt in 2012.

For years, HearthStone battled with Omaha's Celebrity Homes to produce the top amount of newly constructed homes in entry-level price ranges.

Leisey said it seems a contradiction to describe "entry-level" and "first-time homebuyer" options as in the $300,000 range, but he said material and labor costs don't allow companies to build a new house for less than that these days.

Because volume builders deal in bulk, they can often leverage greater discounts for materials and labor. They save time and money by building out entire blocks or neighborhoods at a time, and can pass along some of those efficiencies in consumer pricing.

Moulton said D.R. Horton, in many communities, limits homebuyer selections of interior features, or preselects them, to increase efficiency and maintain affordability.

[Louie]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

Starting in the low $300s...something we already have plenty of. We need homestock that's accessible to people just starting out.

Funny you should mention that...this is pulled from the article:

Vince Leisey of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Ambassador Real Estate said at the recent Commercial Real Estate Summit that he sees D.R. Horton replacing some volume historically supplied by HearthStone Homes before that builder went bankrupt in 2012.

For years, HearthStone battled with Omaha's Celebrity Homes to produce the top amount of newly constructed homes in entry-level price ranges.

Leisey said it seems a contradiction to describe "entry-level" and "first-time homebuyer" options as in the $300,000 range, but he said material and labor costs don't allow companies to build a new house for less than that these days.

Because volume builders deal in bulk, they can often leverage greater discounts for materials and labor. They save time and money by building out entire blocks or neighborhoods at a time, and can pass along some of those efficiencies in consumer pricing.

Moulton said D.R. Horton, in many communities, limits homebuyer selections of interior features, or preselects them, to increase efficiency and maintain affordability.

Still doesn't change the need for it.

[ita]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

Starting in the low $300s...something we already have plenty of. We need homestock that's accessible to people just starting out.

Funny you should mention that...this is pulled from the article:

Vince Leisey of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Ambassador Real Estate said at the recent Commercial Real Estate Summit that he sees D.R. Horton replacing some volume historically supplied by HearthStone Homes before that builder went bankrupt in 2012.

For years, HearthStone battled with Omaha's Celebrity Homes to produce the top amount of newly constructed homes in entry-level price ranges.

Leisey said it seems a contradiction to describe "entry-level" and "first-time homebuyer" options as in the $300,000 range, but he said material and labor costs don't allow companies to build a new house for less than that these days.

Because volume builders deal in bulk, they can often leverage greater discounts for materials and labor. They save time and money by building out entire blocks or neighborhoods at a time, and can pass along some of those efficiencies in consumer pricing.

Moulton said D.R. Horton, in many communities, limits homebuyer selections of interior features, or preselects them, to increase efficiency and maintain affordability.

Still doesn't change the need for it.

You're right. To get it sub $300k, I would think houses need to be smaller, attached or zero lot lines, lower grade finishes, built within existing sewer and power infrastructure, so basically not the stuff being built in the suburbs. But that is based on my non-expert opinion. I get that developers claim they are trying to meet demand, but I would think there would be greater demand for the sub-$300k if there was more supply. If they really can't build for that price even if they do build smaller, etc. I get it. I think it's more about the bottom line than trying to actually building "starter homes."

[Louie]

D.R. Horton, nation's largest volume homebuilder, now in business in Omaha area

Cindy Gonzalez
There’s a national builder in town, and local real estate experts say the additional home supply and competition should mean good news for Omaha-area house seekers.

D.R. Horton — the country’s largest volume homebuilder, according to Builder Magazine — has started construction on more than 50 new for-sale homes in four suburban communities and expects to grow locally.

Having a national homebuilder establish a presence in the Omaha area is affirmation of the hot local housing market, those in the industry say. Founded in 1978 in Fort Worth, Texas, D.R. Horton is a publicly traded company that operates in 30 states and this year expects to sell more than 80,000 houses nationwide.

“It tells us our market is maturing and we have enough demand to capture the attention of these entities,” longtime local appraiser Gregg Mitchell said. “In a sense, you can probably say we’ve grown up.”
...
Moulton said in a statement that the company expects to offer mostly single-family homes ranging from 1,500 to 2,600 square feet and starting in the low $300,000s.
...
So far this year, the median price of an existing home sold in the Omaha area is $240,000, up more than 14% over the same period last year. For new construction, the median sales price is up about 8% to almost $364,000, according to the Great Plains regional multiple listing service.

Starting in the low $300s...something we already have plenty of. We need homestock that's accessible to people just starting out.

Funny you should mention that...this is pulled from the article:

Vince Leisey of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Ambassador Real Estate said at the recent Commercial Real Estate Summit that he sees D.R. Horton replacing some volume historically supplied by HearthStone Homes before that builder went bankrupt in 2012.

For years, HearthStone battled with Omaha's Celebrity Homes to produce the top amount of newly constructed homes in entry-level price ranges.

Leisey said it seems a contradiction to describe "entry-level" and "first-time homebuyer" options as in the $300,000 range, but he said material and labor costs don't allow companies to build a new house for less than that these days.

Because volume builders deal in bulk, they can often leverage greater discounts for materials and labor. They save time and money by building out entire blocks or neighborhoods at a time, and can pass along some of those efficiencies in consumer pricing.

Moulton said D.R. Horton, in many communities, limits homebuyer selections of interior features, or preselects them, to increase efficiency and maintain affordability.

Still doesn't change the need for it.

You're right. To get it sub $300k, I would think houses need to be smaller, attached or zero lot lines, lower grade finishes, built within existing sewer and power infrastructure, so basically not the stuff being built in the suburbs. But that is based on my non-expert opinion. I get that developers claim they are trying to meet demand, but I would think there would be greater demand for the sub-$300k if there was more supply. If they really can't build for that price even if they do build smaller, etc. I get it. I think it's more about hte bottom line than trying to actually builder "starter homes."

I mean like the $300k houses going up out west now and the older celebrity and hearthstone neighborhoods are very different in size. They just arent willing to sacrifice the $ per lot that they can get on the bigger houses.

[Busguy2010]

During the height of material costs, a single sheet of OSB (used to sheath the house) was about $70 per sheet, and a single 2x4x8 was over $11, both of which are insane. Now, both are back down to $15 and $3 plus change respectively. The OSB was up 1000% from 2019... So I'm sure with the way they were still able to sell homes at such steep prices, why would they go back down? Material costs aren't high anymore, but the customer doesn't need to know that...

[Louie]

During the height of material costs, a single sheet of OSB (used to sheath the house) was about $70 per sheet, and a single 2x4x8 was over $11, both of which are insane. Now, both are back down to $15 and $3 plus change respectively. The OSB was up 1000% from 2019... So I'm sure with the way they were still able to sell homes at such steep prices, why would they go back down? Material costs aren't high anymore, but the customer doesn't need to know that...

I'm sure thats a big part of it

[Toto]

Is it just me or is DR Horton throwing up their ugly |expletive| houses all over town right now? I'm not sure why anyone would buy one of these ugly |expletive| piece of |expletive| houses. They are straight up garbage and ugly.

[Dundeemaha]

Because they're cheap

[djc311]

Is it just me or is DR Horton throwing up their ugly |expletive| houses all over town right now? I'm not sure why anyone would buy one of these ugly |expletive| piece of |expletive| houses. They are straight up garbage and ugly.

Unfortunately, they are... many of them near us. They look like junk and supposedly are built with equally as much quality... they're being sued all over the country for shoddy workmanship. I see them ultimately falling apart like Hearthstone. Sure, they're one of the more economical houses you can buy as new construction, but if they're |expletive|, then why bother.

Reminds me of when Hearthstone built in Oakmont around 192nd & F St... we had a summer where it must have just gotten extremely hot for an extended period of time during the summer. I'd say over half the houses that backed 192nd St had siding that was literally MELTING off of the houses. And anytime we'd get hit with fierce winds, the siding would peel off of them like tape.

I have a cousin that lived in a Hearthstone - she said it was a total turd.

[skinzfan23]

Definitely agree on them being cheap, but DR Horton is the largest homebuilder in the country. They built over 93,000 homes nationwide last year and they are rapidly expanding. Don't think they are going away any time soon.

[Busguy2010]

So, if they're cr@p, what do they sell for?

[damonhynes]

Whilst on the subject, does anyone remember a homebuilder named CSI from the mid-70s? My folks bought a house in Echo Hills (Chalco) from them and it had a ton of make-goods and work orders. I think they went BK but I'd moved out of town and lost contact. I do know Echo Hills was re-platted in the 1980s because the old floor plans weren't selling.

[djc311]

So, if they're cr@p, what do they sell for?

Knowing cheap is relative to each individual's particular situation, I personally don't think their prices are amazingly affordable. Most of them near 180th & Giles are $400k+. These may not be their smallest homes to shop from... I think they're mostly 3-car garages with 3-4 beds.

I would think they're somewhat like Celebrity that offers different tiers or sizes, maybe they have some split levels closer to $300-$325ish.

[bbinks]

135th & Military began as Celebrity when they bought the land, but is now Horton. Just another cookie cutter developer.

[Busguy2010]

So, if they're cr@p, what do they sell for?

Knowing cheap is relative to each individual's particular situation, I personally don't think their prices are amazingly affordable. Most of them near 180th & Giles are $400k+. These may not be their smallest homes to shop from... I think they're mostly 3-car garages with 3-4 beds.

I would think they're somewhat like Celebrity that offers different tiers or sizes, maybe they have some split levels closer to $300-$325ish.

Even houses in my area. which is sort of older, went from going 150K, to 250K at seemingly the snap of a finger. They're all like 1500 SF houses. Nothin unnecessary, but not tiny.

300+ for a house that would have gone for 180 15 years ago? Just crazy.

[skinzfan23]

If you look at their website, DR Horton has several neighborhoods throughout Omaha and Papillion. They have some in Papillion starting at 330-340k. They also have some townhomes in Gretna starting in the 270's. Either way, still crazy expensive for basic houses.

[GenX]

Is it just me or is DR Horton throwing up their ugly |expletive| houses all over town right now? I'm not sure why anyone would buy one of these ugly |expletive| piece of |expletive| houses. They are straight up garbage and ugly.

To each their own. I appreciate fresh designs instead of all the cookie cutter Design Homes knockoffs that everyone else seems to have been building for the last few decades.

In terms of quality, not every builder is a Mike Holmes, meaning they’ll get it done, but it might not be right the first time, and only the squeaky wheel gets the grease. There’s little to no incentive for builders to go above and beyond what’s required as there’s little to no recourse against a builder that cuts corners, especially down the road. Buyers don’t often want to pay for a thorough home inspection, and builders expect you to get a home warranty. It’s crazy how much quality, both in materials and workmanship, has fallen off a cliff in the past decades, yet home values (and property taxes) keep going up and up. Housing is being turned into a subscription, just like everything else.

[greenbuilder]

Heard today that D.R. Horton has bought Celebrity Homes.

[Brad]

Heard today that D.R. Horton has bought Celebrity Homes.

I saw a social media post saying DR purchased all Celebrity's land and unsold lots. Anything under construction and all warranty work will remain with Celebrity Homes.

[Trips1]

[Trips1]

So Hearthstone and Celebrity homes are gone. Is there a builder under $500k in the metro? I live in a Celebrity home and while their price increased over the last 15 years, their quality increased more. A 20 yr old Celebrity home might have higher quality than a current Dr. Horton home.

[djc311]

I wouldn’t live in a Horton home for free… however, we previously lived in a Celebrity home and loved it. They even let me “sneak in” during construction and run Cat5 and sound throughout the entire home.

It’s a sad day for people who wanted good quality for a decent price.

[Linkin5]

I have literally never heard quality and Celebrity Homes mentioned in the same sentence, what am I missing here.

[skinzfan23]

I’ll be honest, our house is a celebrity but one of the first built in our neighborhood that was originally custom homes. Ours has more finishes and other things that the newer celebrity houses don’t have because they matched the existing homes more.

The 2nd part of our development that was just built in the last 2-3 years is all split level with tiny basements. They built 5-6 at a time and finished them within a few weeks. They are junk but many of them are priced in the mid-300’s which is crazy.

[djc311]

I have literally never heard quality and Celebrity Homes mentioned in the same sentence, what am I missing here.

Honestly, we never had any issues with our Celebrity, which was built in 2001. Lived in it for 17 years with no issues, aside from the hail damage on the roof which was obviously not related to the builder.

We also never had neighbors with issues such as leaks, flooding, finish quality, etc.

The one thing I did not like was that when I built at the time, the options were quite limited. The colors for counters, cabinets, etc were not great. Last I knew, they offered quartz, different types of flooring in different rooms (whereas we had to use the exact same flooring in all rooms).

Considering Horton hasn't been in Omaha very long, I've heard quite a few complaints from those that have purchased from them in our market.

In any case, one of the two companies in our market offering low(er) priced new homes just disappeared. And I assume Horton will want to build their floor plans in the neighborhoods that were once Celebrity plans.

[GenX]

Can we just start calling them Doctor Horton?

[OverlookedFarm]

Mello needs to have his head examined.

Celebrating the selling out of a local business to the national franchise should NEVER. EVER. EVER. be celebrated. The proper chamber response should have been "We are saddened to hear the loss of a family locally owned business that has operated in the metro for nearly 50 years, we will work closely to ensure other locally owned builders have the resources to flourish to build quality lifetime neighborhoods for our residents"

Here's the facts: The suppliers Celebrity sourced with locally, will disappear as they get supplanted by the out of state providers DRH use.

I don't have a dog is this fight, but it's pretty well documented the quality of the DRH homes leaves much to be desired. It's built cheap cheap cheap.

[djc311]

Mello needs to have his head examined.

Celebrating the selling out of a local business to the national franchise should NEVER. EVER. EVER. be celebrated. The proper chamber response should have been "We are saddened to hear the loss of a family locally owned business that has operated in the metro for nearly 50 years, we will work closely to ensure other locally owned builders have the resources to flourish to build quality lifetime neighborhoods for our residents"

Here's the facts: The suppliers Celebrity sourced with locally, will disappear as they get supplanted by the out of state providers DRH use.

I don't have a dog is this fight, but it's pretty well documented the quality of the DRH homes leaves much to be desired. It's built cheap cheap cheap.

yep yep yep... Not sure if Celebrity still used Imperial Tub and Tile recently, but I remember going in there to choose things when we were building.

Now everyone will just be sent like cattle to their building on 156th & Maple which works with whoever their national suppliers are. I can't see them sticking to local businesses, at least not in the long term.

I agree - our local chamber should be supporting the other locals, not the national giant. This isn't a win, IMO, for anyone other than Celebrity's owners (selling out and making $$$ off of it) and Horton.

They're throwing up Horton homes across the street what seems like 5 a week... and just keep building. Glad I'm not in one of them. My final comment would be know people that work(ed) for Celebrity for years... it's not a good move for them, either.