Mutual of Omaha Tower (14th & Farnam)

[DTO Luv]

We've come a long way from creaming our pants over a Cheesecake Factory.

Where have you been?

California

[Garrett]

Lotta surprises in this thread eh?

[Omaha Cowboy]

We've come a long way from creaming our pants over a Cheesecake Factory.

D’Shawn has made his triumphant return..

It’s about time man ..

And for the record, you know you were just as excited about Cheesecake Factory opening here as any of us, lol..

So, how ‘bout this highrise man?…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[DTO Luv]

I never thought it would happen. I'm more excited that the streetcar might finally start. I love riding them around LA.

[Omaha Cowboy]

I never thought it would happen. I'm more excited that the streetcar might finally start. I love riding them around LA.

I’m with you on the streetcar component for sure..

The mutual skyscraper is dependent on the streetcar line being built as well. Definitely a hand in hand deal…

Edit- do you remember that streetcar meeting we went to years ago, I want to say 2005, when the guest speaker was the developer of the Little Rock Arkansas streetcar line..sooo long ago. We’ve been talking about streetcars here for nearly 20 years now…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[MTO]

Ban that loser

[WorldStreet]

700 ft would be crazy tall for Omaha, it would look super tall to us, but probably not a New Yorker..

700 feet would make it a solid 79th place in the city, tied with the 1909 Met Life Building.

I have spent the majority of the past 20 years in Shanghai, near the area that has the tallest group of buildings. However, whenever I return to Omaha, the FNB tower and the Woodman both still look impressive to me. IMO, from the ground, a 1,200 foot building only looks a little different than a 600 footer.

For the record, a 700 foot building would be number 42 on the list in Shanghai.

[Garrett]

700 ft would be crazy tall for Omaha, it would look super tall to us, but probably not a New Yorker..

700 feet would make it a solid 79th place in the city, tied with the 1909 Met Life Building.

I have spent the majority of the past 20 years in Shanghai, near the area that has the tallest group of buildings. However, whenever I return to Omaha, the FNB tower and the Woodman both still look impressive to me. IMO, from the ground, a 1,200 foot building only looks a little different than a 600 footer.

For the record, a 700 foot building would be number 42 on the list in Shanghai.

Yeah I honestly feel the same. After a certain point tall buildings are all about perspective.

[guy4omaha]

We've come a long way from creaming our pants over a Cheesecake Factory.

Where have you been?

California

There ya go, it's DTO. Good to hear you're still watching over things back here in Little ol' O.

[GetUrban]

Very interesting that some of these buildings have been able to generate a substantial income relative to the cost of their observation decks. Also, love the idea of incorporating design ideas with the HD Zoo. Just pure speculation here but I am guessing a large part of the reason Top of the World went out of business is because they had far too much overhead with the massive space they had at the Woodmen. And though I still love the Press Club, it's sad to note that it seems to have received minimal investment in the past few decades either in terms of facility or product. The place has hardly been open at all in recent years, even to members, save for the occasional press conference or local media event. Restaurants by nature are a risk inherent business and Mutual by definition is very much in the business of risk mitigation. However, Mutual really could have an opportunity here to bring back the type of experience Omaha has been missing for quite some time. If done to the right scale and concept I could see both Mutual and the public benefiting from this type of venture and hope it is one they give serious consideration.

I honestly can't see them doing a restaurant. Did you ever try entering the facilities prior to Covid? They had the full badge in badge out system with plexi glass doors that opened/closed with your badge. To get a guest in, you had to fill out a form, etc. I just can't see them seeing an observation deck/restaurant to be worth it from a risk mitigation factor. In the past, these types of amenities made sense, but in the age of mass shootings, covid, etc., you have another layer of security concerns that they simply won't want to deal with having the general public involved with. Insurance companies, by nature, are typically pretty concerned with safety as there is the chance of someone showing up after a life or disability claim has been denied and doing something. Sad, but true. Also, they deal pretty heavily in protected health information and allowing the general public to use the same elevators as workers wouldn't work. The only way it would work is if you had a dedicated entrance or elevator that only too the public to these open areas. I can't see them investing in that kind of cost though.

Observation decks, rooftop restaurants, etc. never share elevators with offices.

And that adds cost. Cost that a company like Mutual likely wouldn't want to fund.

If done right, it could pay for itself as a major attraction in what may turn out to be a $400-500 million project, if not more.

[We Don’t Coast]

Such an exciting skyscraper development for Omaha. As has been mentioned, about the only thing that could derail or delay this, is if funding for the streetcar line is not approved. I don’t see that happening though. I also believe the height of the Mutual tower should end up at least 700 feet.

[Doctor Fate]

I've lurk on the Salt Lake City Skyscraper forum page since I moved here a couple years ago. Today someone posted a pic of the Mutual tower and everyone that commented on it said they'd take it in a heartbeat. Downtown SLC has a couple towers finished, under construction, or proposed but none are taller than the Woodman and the tallest currently is only 422 ft.

I think we were pretty lucky to be getting this, pending its completion. And am really excited to see the highrise density that this tower and the streetcar will bring to the skyline.

[Omaha Cowboy]

I've lurk on the Salt Lake City Skyscraper forum page since I moved here a couple years ago. Today someone posted a pic of the Mutual tower and everyone that commented on it said they'd take it in a heartbeat. Downtown SLC has a couple towers finished, under construction, or proposed but none are taller than the Woodman and the tallest currently is only 422 ft.

I think we were pretty lucky to be getting this, pending its completion. And am really excited to see the highrise density that this tower and the streetcar will bring to the skyline.

Thanks for sharing that..

I think for the most part, from what I’ve read on other city discussion forums, the overall take on this Mutual of Omaha skyscraper development has been pretty positive…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Athomsfere]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

[Omaha Cowboy]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

Of the city discussion forums I know of and visit from time to time- Kansas City, Oklahoma City and Des Moines Iowa all have discussion forums that have actively discussed the Mutual of Omaha highrise development. From a national forum perspective, skyscraper City forum has also discussed. The City-Data forum, frankly, I wouldn’t waste my time with…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[BRoss]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

We have a page listing them. It's found under the hamburger menu (next to FAQ). Or app.php/city-forums.

If there are other ones you'd like me to add, I can.

[Athomsfere]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

The City-Data forum, frankly, I wouldn’t waste my time with…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

That's sort of what I was thinking, but a list of "good ones" with URLs.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

We have a page listing them. It's found under the hamburger menu (next to FAQ). Or app.php/city-forums.

If there are other ones you'd like me to add, I can.

That is correct. And I had forgotten about that, lol ..

If we haven’t, we could add that Salt Lake City Skyscraper forum to the list…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Athomsfere]

Side note:

Someone should throw up a thread of all the other metro's forums. Skyscraper city isn't great for me, but I'd love to know all the forums people use so I can follow other cities more efficiently too. Maybe a sticky on discussion or "elsewhere".

We have a page listing them. It's found under the hamburger menu (next to FAQ). Or app.php/city-forums.

If there are other ones you'd like me to add, I can.

And thanks, exactly what I wanted. Now if we could make it more discoverable. But nit pickins

[BRoss]

If we haven’t, we could add that Salt Lake City Skyscraper forum to the list…

And thanks, exactly what I wanted. Now if we could make it more discoverable. But nit pickins

I'll pin a post under the Elsewhere forum to make it more visible and so suggestions for additions can be made.

[Omaha Cowboy]

If we haven’t, we could add that Salt Lake City Skyscraper forum to the list…

And thanks, exactly what I wanted. Now if we could make it more discoverable. But nit pickins

I'll pin a post under the Elsewhere forum to make it more visible and so suggestions for additions can be made.

Great idea and thank you for doing it …

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[iamjacobm]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

[Cermak]

Wow ! Can’t wait for this to get started. Thanks for this excellent info. Just by looking at this rendering it looks like it should be 650-700 ft.

[Garrett]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

That diagram says 1 inch equals 80 feet… assuming it’s meant to be printed on an 11 by 7 piece of paper, anyone wanna try to scale it out?

[Brad]

LOL... I don't remember the moon when I took that photo!

[bldgengineer2015]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

That diagram says 1 inch equals 80 feet… assuming it’s meant to be printed on an 11 by 7 piece of paper, anyone wanna try to scale it out?

I scaled the elevations and they aren't quite consistent. I am getting around 420 feet. Checking the floor to floor heights also leads me to believe these elevations aren't to the listed scale.

[Linkin5]

Holy sh!t that rendering! The rendering makes it look a lot like The Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City.

[GetUrban]

LOL... I don't remember the moon when I took that photo!

Ha!
Wouldn’t there be a moon reflection in the water if it was really there when the photo was taken?

[Big E]

LOL... I don't remember the moon when I took that photo!

Ha!
Wouldn’t there be a moon reflection in the water if it was really there when the photo was taken?

Not if the moon is a vampire.

[GetUrban]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

That diagram says 1 inch equals 80 feet… assuming it’s meant to be printed on an 11 by 7 piece of paper, anyone wanna try to scale it out?

I scaled the elevations and they aren't quite consistent. I am getting around 420 feet. Checking the floor to floor heights also leads me to believe these elevations aren't to the listed scale.

I’d bet it was scaled to print on a 30x42 sheet. That’s a more common size for a set of Construction Drawings. I like the north and south elevations and am wondering if the near mid setback on the west side is an acknowledgment of the woodmen tower height as the FNB tower has. This is indeed an exciting package of information!

[GetUrban]

LOL... I don't remember the moon when I took that photo!

Ha!
Wouldn’t there be a moon reflection in the water if it was really there when the photo was taken?

Not if the moon is a vampire.

[Busguy2010]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

That diagram says 1 inch equals 80 feet… assuming it’s meant to be printed on an 11 by 7 piece of paper, anyone wanna try to scale it out?

I scaled the elevations and they aren't quite consistent. I am getting around 420 feet. Checking the floor to floor heights also leads me to believe these elevations aren't to the listed scale.

I did it as well. At 100% zoom, it comes out in landscape at only about 5 inches or so eyeballed, so ~ 400 feet. But that wouldnt align with what we're hearing.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Planning board docs. Some interesting items regarding floor plans. Also apologies if this rendering was posted I don't remember if we had seen it yet.

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... IF_App.pdf

Some great info here..

This building should top out in that 650-700 foot range. I’m hopeful it’ll end up actually hitting that 700 foot height, which as I’ve stated previously, is the sweet spot imo…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Brad]

LOL... I don't remember the moon when I took that photo!

Ha!
Wouldn’t there be a moon reflection in the water if it was really there when the photo was taken?

Well not to mention the full moon sets behind the skyline at sunrise, not sunset.

[SunMan]

I measured both the east and west elevations since the base of the tower extends from the north property line to the south property line. NPL to SPL is 284 feet (original plat being (2) 132' lots plus a 20' alley). Applying that to the height of the tower puts it about 695' high.

[skinzfan23]

Just a couple of details from the planning docs:
Cost: $443 Million
Sq ft: 800,000
Parking spaces: 2,200
Est Completion: Jan 2026

Some of the other buildings that we have used as a reference (Devon Tower, Salesforce Tower) were quite a bit more expensive, obviously construction costs are much higher in San Francisco.

[omahahawk]

LOL....I thought I was height obsessed but you guys take it to a whole new level. I imagine you all sitting there with slide rules and protractors trying to count the number of floors with a magnifying glass. That is awesome. Anyway I think just by looking at the rendering that this will no doubt be the new tallest building downtown. I hope that is true because as is that rendering looks amazing. Just down by the W. Dale site the other day and it really did dawn on me just how stunning this building will be on that site. As other others mentioned in places like New York or Shanghai this building would get lost in the crowd. However, if Cowboy is right, this thing will be taller than the Gateway Arch. I mean just think about it. Sitting in that spot at the end of the park....that is going to be one serious exclamation point.

[Athomsfere]

Just a couple of details from the planning docs:
Cost: $443 Million
Sq ft: 800,000
Parking spaces: 2,200
Est Completion: Jan 2026

Some of the other buildings that we have used as a reference (Devon Tower, Salesforce Tower) were quite a bit more expensive, obviously construction costs are much higher in San Francisco.

Devon Tower was twice that price! But also, a little more than double the floor area.

Salesforce Tower was almost twice the cost of the Devon, and had less floor area.

[Garrett]

So I counted 10 floors of glass of the pedestal, 26 to the setback, 42 to the roof, 45 to the crown. Obviously we know there are 12 floors of parking but I was just looking at the glass.

[skinzfan23]

Just a couple of details from the planning docs:
Cost: $443 Million
Sq ft: 800,000
Parking spaces: 2,200
Est Completion: Jan 2026

Some of the other buildings that we have used as a reference (Devon Tower, Salesforce Tower) were quite a bit more expensive, obviously construction costs are much higher in San Francisco.

Devon Tower was twice that price! But also, a little more than double the floor area.

Salesforce Tower was almost twice the cost of the Devon, and had less floor area.

1180 Peachtree is only about 625,000 sq ft. The article I found listed its cost around $130 million but that was back in 2006.