Mercantile (Conagra campus development)

[Omaha Cowboy]

Did anyone answer my question about what's going on the ground floor? Are they designed to be standard retail space (ie, strip mall style)? About 1200-1500 sq ft per space give or take? Any tenants signed on for this project that anyone is aware of?

Anything exciting new to market stuff?

I think the folks behind the food hall at Westroads we're going to find the tenants for the ground floor retail. That was announced a couple years at this point, haven't seen or heard anything since.

Right..

I suspect some nice food eatery and tap house tenants for a goodly amount of ground floor. Probably a coffee shop too etc.. New to market (nor anything) has been revealed specifically as of yet..at least to my knowledge…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[GrowUpFrances]

Did anyone answer my question about what's going on the ground floor? Are they designed to be standard retail space (ie, strip mall style)? About 1200-1500 sq ft per space give or take? Any tenants signed on for this project that anyone is aware of?

Anything exciting new to market stuff?

I think the folks behind the food hall at Westroads we're going to find the tenants for the ground floor retail. That was announced a couple years at this point, haven't seen or heard anything since.

Right..

I suspect some nice food eatery and tap house tenants for a goodly amount of ground floor. Probably a coffee shop too etc.. New to market (nor anything) has been revealed specifically as of yet..at least to my knowledge…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

I inquired about the Brickline apartments and was told by leasing that at least three restaurants and one bar were planned—no names/brands were mentioned.

[skinzfan23]

I have a BA in business and graduated college in 2008. I can tell you that the average starting wage is no where near $68k for customer service. I now have a securities license and deal with annuities with almost 15 years experience and even with an annual bonus I still don't make that much (close but not quite) Obviously, sales can be a lucrative position so that could be higher, but I would say that the median income in Omaha is around $40,000 on the high end (prob more in the $35,000 range)

Median household income is 62k. 25-44 is 66k, 45-65 is 76k.

https://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighbor ... phics.html

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is the household income so median income for an individual would be around 1/2 of that or $31k?

[Garrett]

I have a BA in business and graduated college in 2008. I can tell you that the average starting wage is no where near $68k for customer service. I now have a securities license and deal with annuities with almost 15 years experience and even with an annual bonus I still don't make that much (close but not quite) Obviously, sales can be a lucrative position so that could be higher, but I would say that the median income in Omaha is around $40,000 on the high end (prob more in the $35,000 range)

Median household income is 62k. 25-44 is 66k, 45-65 is 76k.

https://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighbor ... phics.html

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is the household income so median income for an individual would be around 1/2 of that or $31k?

Not necessarily. The per capita income is 34k, however, that includes children and other people that aren’t working.

[PotatoeEatsFish]

I can assure you most other young people I know living downtown anymore are Creighton kids/daddy’s money 20 something’s.

[Louie]

I can assure you most other young people I know living downtown anymore are Creighton kids/daddy’s money 20 something’s.

I think that depends on the age group you are surrounded by. I know many young professionals in their mid to late 20s that live DT.

[Bob from Omaha]

I'm going to possibly catch h e l l for this but having seen Brad's aerial shots of the Mercantile I'm not thrilled with the development. The large apartment complex, I forgot the name, is ok but strikes me as suburban. I'm not necessarily seeking a 50 story tower but were I to want to live downtown near the river I'd be more interested in a high rise. I know Marina City isn't feasible but even a 20 story apartment/condo tower would have been nice.

I just think the development sitting right next to the remaining conagra buildings looks goofy.

[ita]

I'm going to possibly catch h e l l for this but having seen Brad's aerial shots of the Mercantile I'm not thrilled with the development. The large apartment complex, I forgot the name, is ok but strikes me as suburban. I'm not necessarily seeking a 50 story tower but were I to want to live downtown near the river I'd be more interested in a high rise. I know Marina City isn't feasible but even a 20 story apartment/condo tower would have been nice.

I just think the development sitting right next to the remaining conagra buildings looks goofy.

I actually kind of agree with you. I wasn't here when Hilton in North Downtown was built, but every time I see it the thought of "if only it was right side up" comes to mind. I feel the same way here. This could of been, like you said a couple high rise residential towers. I think this particular part of the Mercantile project would have come out different with a streetcar in development/completed when announced. I have high hopes that other phases of Hines/Conagra project will incorporate buildings with more height.

[Bob from Omaha]

The fact is that when the convention center/arena was in process a 25 story Marriott was proposed as the headquarters hotel, where the Hilton is. Hal Daub was mayor and he liked the idea. When Mike Fahey was elected he c r a p p e d on the idea and went with the low rise Hilton proposal.

[Linkin5]

I guess I don’t see the need for there to be height in this area, infill is way more important. As long as it is pedestrian friendly with retail options at the base it will work well. The thing that makes the Hilton so egregious is it’s just complete dead space surrounding the addition of the hotel.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

I guess I don’t see the need for there to be height in this area, infill is way more important. As long as it is pedestrian friendly with retail options at the base it will work well. The thing that makes the Hilton so egregious is it’s just complete dead space surrounding the addition of the hotel.

I agree. I don't find a highrise would really fit contextually. Twenty stories is a little much for this area. I think as long as what's being built activates the street life and bridges the activity between the Capitol District/Convention Center and the Old Market without dead space like the Hilton and many of the recent larger, new-construction downtown apartment buildings have it's good in my book.

The thing about the Hilton is that they could easily fix the dead space issue by building retail space on the lawn in front of the addition. There's enough room for 1-2 stories of retail plus a rear alley. Perhaps they are waiting for Lot B to develop..

[Bob from Omaha]

Two points:
1) Tip the Hilton on its side. You've got quite a lot of land to build something else. Retail, housing, office, anything. There was a rendering at the time and it looked pretty good. Modern design for the time with I believe some interesting architectural details to match the convention center/arena.

2) I stayed at the Hilton a few years ago. The shlep to my room was crazy. One end to the other with suitcases. 20 stories would have made the trip less of a hike.

That's all and aint nothin anyone can do about it now.

[ita]

I guess I don’t see the need for there to be height in this area, infill is way more important. As long as it is pedestrian friendly with retail options at the base it will work well. The thing that makes the Hilton so egregious is it’s just complete dead space surrounding the addition of the hotel.

I agree. I don't find a highrise would really fit contextually. Twenty stories is a little much for this area. I think as long as what's being built activates the street life and bridges the activity between the Capitol District/Convention Center and the Old Market without dead space like the Hilton and many of the recent larger, new-construction downtown apartment buildings have it's good in my book.

The thing about the Hilton is that they could easily fix the dead space issue by building retail space on the lawn in front of the addition. There's enough room for 1-2 stories of retail plus a rear alley. Perhaps they are waiting for Lot B to develop..

It could of been a couple/few 12+ story towers. It wouldn't be much bigger than the Greenhouse or Burlington building. I don't think that would have been out of place, and the Mercantile project as originally presented already contemplates buildings with that type of massing.

I don't know, this project is not super pedestrian friendly because it is not permeable, at least from what I can tell. It's a true super block. That is one critique I've had with this one. Despite my wishing it was taller and had some pedestrian walkways through the project, I don't hate the project and appreciate the infill. I think this will be a very successful project if they can fill the retail portion with some unique eateries and maybe first to market retailers. Capitol Place still lays vacant, but I am hopeful for the ground floor retail at the Brickline/Mercantile complex.

[mcarch]

Two points:
1) Tip the Hilton on its side. You've got quite a lot of land to build something else. Retail, housing, office, anything. There was a rendering at the time and it looked pretty good. Modern design for the time with I believe some interesting architectural details to match the convention center/arena.

2) I stayed at the Hilton a few years ago. The shlep to my room was crazy. One end to the other with suitcases. 20 stories would have made the trip less of a hike.

That's all and aint nothin anyone can do about it now.

It was a proposal by Mayor Hal Daub at that time. It was a Marriott and was roughly 20 Floors. I remember that proposal and was one I was rooting for... until the next mayor came in and proposed what we have now and went for the Old Market look (those were his words from the Newspaper)... a few years later once it was built, you know the news - Convention Center/Area Hotel too Small. My response - No Sh... So you got what you got today. By the way, everyone argued with me then about that proposal being the best one for Omaha.

I guess I don’t see the need for there to be height in this area, infill is way more important. As long as it is pedestrian friendly with retail options at the base it will work well. The thing that makes the Hilton so egregious is it’s just complete dead space surrounding the addition of the hotel.

I agree. I don't find a highrise would really fit contextually. Twenty stories is a little much for this area. I think as long as what's being built activates the street life and bridges the activity between the Capitol District/Convention Center and the Old Market without dead space like the Hilton and many of the recent larger, new-construction downtown apartment buildings have it's good in my book.

The thing about the Hilton is that they could easily fix the dead space issue by building retail space on the lawn in front of the addition. There's enough room for 1-2 stories of retail plus a rear alley. Perhaps they are waiting for Lot B to develop..

It could of been a couple/few 12+ story towers. It wouldn't be much bigger than the Greenhouse or Burlington building. I don't think that would have been out of place, and the Mercantile project as originally presented already contemplates buildings with that type of massing.

I don't know, this project is not super pedestrian friendly because it is not permeable, at least from what I can tell. It's a true super block. That is one critique I've had with this one. Despite my wishing it was taller and had some pedestrian walkways through the project, I don't hate the project and appreciate the infill. I think this will be a very successful project if they can fill the retail portion with some unique eateries and maybe first to market retailers. Capitol Place still lays vacant, but I am hopeful for the ground floor retail at the Brickline/Mercantile complex.

I would agree that the Mercantile Complex is a superbloc and isn't pedestrian friendly (it cuts off walkability and view just like Landmark Tower/Data Center & Double Tree Hotel - I guess we haven't learned yet). It feels heavy to the eye. What I wanted to see was the streets put back in (9th, Harney, & 8th). Then a development like these 2 (Similar to what is there), but this is more walkable. The one with the green space and then the one with the parking garage in the CENTER of the building. These are in Minneapolis next to the Mill and Gunthrie Theater. The Parking Garage was used for both Public and Residents parking. There was Retail on the first floor of all of these buildings. It is Park Ave & S Washington Ave in Minneapolis.



And Lot B Needs to be Our Power & Light District plain and Simple. If we do anything other than that, we literally shoot ourselves in the foot. We tried with the Capitol District, but that is like someone sitting in an office hearing about the Power & Light District and trying to copy the design and totally failing (especially if you haven't been down there when there is a game and there are stands out).



And if you can't see any resemblance of the locations of landmarks (Sprint Center/CHI Center, Lot B/Power & Light...

[Omaha Cowboy]

Did anyone answer my question about what's going on the ground floor? Are they designed to be standard retail space (ie, strip mall style)? About 1200-1500 sq ft per space give or take? Any tenants signed on for this project that anyone is aware of?

Anything exciting new to market stuff?

I think the folks behind the food hall at Westroads we're going to find the tenants for the ground floor retail. That was announced a couple years at this point, haven't seen or heard anything since.

Right..

I suspect some nice food eatery and tap house tenants for a goodly amount of ground floor. Probably a coffee shop too etc.. New to market (nor anything) has been revealed specifically as of yet..at least to my knowledge…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

I inquired about the Brickline apartments and was told by leasing that at least three restaurants and one bar were planned—no names/brands were mentioned.

That’s some good intel. Thanks for sharing it …

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[OmahaJaysCU]

I had heard a few months back Flagship was moving all their downtown restaurants there. I would assume that would exclude the Blatt but mean Blue and Roja

[Louie]

I had heard a few months back Flagship was moving all their downtown restaurants there. I would assume that would exclude the Blatt but mean Blue and Roja

Moving Blue? That space they have now is iconic.

[nebport5]

I'm going to possibly catch h e l l for this but having seen Brad's aerial shots of the Mercantile I'm not thrilled with the development. The large apartment complex, I forgot the name, is ok but strikes me as suburban. I'm not necessarily seeking a 50 story tower but were I to want to live downtown near the river I'd be more interested in a high rise. I know Marina City isn't feasible but even a 20 story apartment/condo tower would have been nice.

I just think the development sitting right next to the remaining conagra buildings looks goofy.

I actually kind of agree with you. I wasn't here when Hilton in North Downtown was built, but every time I see it the thought of "if only it was right side up" comes to mind. I feel the same way here. This could of been, like you said a couple high rise residential towers. I think this particular part of the Mercantile project would have come out different with a streetcar in development/completed when announced. I have high hopes that other phases of Hines/Conagra project will incorporate buildings with more height.

I don't think this is the right spot for a project with great height. I wish there was a more complete and cohesive vision for redeveloping Con Agra, but The Brickline works as a modern extension of the Old Market. There are other opportunities still for a residential high rise say between 480 and the lake(a la the Master Plan) or south of the lake I think works too. I don't like the idea of a large structure directly east of 10th St visually cutting off The OM from Heartland/Mercantile. Toward that idea I hope they keep a center portion between here and Embassy Suites for green and build north and south of it.

[Cermak]

Does anyone know the total number of apartments in this development. This thing looks huge and is considerably bigger than any other current DT apartment complex, at least it looks to be.

[Brad]

Does anyone know the total number of apartments in this development. This thing looks huge and is considerably bigger than any other current DT apartment complex, at least it looks to be.

In the thread by UR my Helix says 375. viewtopic.php?t=22992

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I really like the signage on the North side of this building. Verticle signage "BRICKLINE" looks very cool.

[2Adam29]

They're adding some white cladding on the north side exterior that I hadn't seen elsewhere on the building. Interesting look.

[skinzfan23]

Looking good, thanks for the photo update.

[jjjjhskr]

Grow Omaha update says several more buildings are in the works for the Mercantile development including a 200-300 room hotel on 10th and Harney (grassy area to the north of Embassy Suites) a condo tower and more apartments. This is going to be so good downtown and the Old Market/

[PotatoeEatsFish]

Grow Omaha update says several more buildings are in the works for the Mercantile development including a 200-300 room hotel on 10th and Harney (grassy area to the north of Embassy Suites) a condo tower and more apartments. This is going to be so good downtown and the Old Market/

Someone said a couple months ago in the rumors section a 20ish story condo tower would be announced this fall.

[Omaha Cowboy]

They're adding some white cladding on the north side exterior that I hadn't seen elsewhere on the building. Interesting look.

Looking great. Thank you for the pic update..

Fantastic development for our downtown core; with more and perhaps taller components to come …

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Doctor Fate]

Grow Omaha update says several more buildings are in the works for the Mercantile development including a 200-300 room hotel on 10th and Harney (grassy area to the north of Embassy Suites) a condo tower and more apartments. This is going to be so good downtown and the Old Market/

Someone said a couple months ago in the rumors section a 20ish story condo tower would be announced this fall.

Yesterday they said 16 stories (14 residential and 2 office) and will be announced in a couple weeks.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Yesterday they said 16 stories (14 residential and 2 office) and will be announced in a couple weeks.

These specifics were not included in the Grow Omaha Market Report newsletter today..

Did you hear this on a Grow Omaha Minute radio segment on KFAB yesterday? Or was this the feedback posted in the Rumors Forum?..

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Brad]

This new building is coming to downtown Omaha. Get the details by reading the BIG STORY in this week’s Grow O newsletter! https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... y-21-2022/

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[Garrett]

Impressive! 7 stories, though I'm a bit cautious given that it's an office building that needs tenants before construction starts. But it certainly shows the potential of mass timber construction in helping us achieve greater density than 4-5 stories.

[iamjacobm]

Looks awesome! They may end up making some changes to the order and uses of other phases, but this appears to be in line with the originally proposed plan of office and event space for buildings 2b and 2c on the site plan.

[Doctor Fate]

Yesterday they said 16 stories (14 residential and 2 office) and will be announced in a couple weeks.

These specifics were not included in the Grow Omaha Market Report newsletter today..

Did you hear this on a Grow Omaha Minute radio segment on KFAB yesterday? Or was this the feedback posted in the Rumors Forum?..

Ciao..LiO…Peace

I should have clarified by "they" I meant the person who originally posted in the Rumors forum about the condo high rise.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Yesterday they said 16 stories (14 residential and 2 office) and will be announced in a couple weeks.

These specifics were not included in the Grow Omaha Market Report newsletter today..

Did you hear this on a Grow Omaha Minute radio segment on KFAB yesterday? Or was this the feedback posted in the Rumors Forum?..

Ciao..LiO…Peace

I should have clarified by "they" I meant the person who originally posted in the Rumors forum about the condo high rise.

We’ll see if that Rumor actually comes to fruition.. In the meantime, I’m pretty excited for the new addition that has been revealed…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[ita]

Cool rendering and, nice, Hines is doing one of their T3's here. I think the three t's are tech, transit, and timber. However, whoever did that rendering over did the brownstones and midrises in the background. They even filled in GLM! Haha.

Anyway, I am glad to see this timber building and Noddle's in North Downtown coming into fruition. It should add some additional character to the skyline.

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I really like it! Odd that they put some buildings in where the GLM is located.

[Brad]

I really like it! Odd that they put some buildings in where the GLM is located.

I saw that too. I was thinking that was a poorly placed building on the lot east of the library?

[ita]

I really like it! Odd that they put some buildings in where the GLM is located.

I saw that too. I was thinking that was a poorly placed building on the lot east of the library?

Haha I actually liked how it densified North Downtown and north Omaha. But yeah they went a little to much when GLM got filled in.

[Athomsfere]

The also filled in up by the St Cecelia... But Omaha looks great with that added density lol.

[the1wags]

Hello all, back in the O for work this week. Cell pics this evening.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Cell pic this evening.

What’s this? My old friend Wags posting pics again?!..

Seriously, welcome back Josh- Great pics …

Ciao..LiO…Peace