Daylight saving time

[Admin]

I've never understood why phpbb did such a poor job of handling time (or not handling it).

You'll need to each go into your profiles and adjust your 'timezone' accordingly. Example... if you're lucky enough to live in Omaha (or at least the Central Standard Time zone)... you'll need to set your timezone to 'GMT - 6'.

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Just a reminder to set your profile back (forward) to -5 GMT

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Just a reminder to set your profile time back (forward) to -5 GMT

[Coyote]

Could be the last time Americans 'fall back' to end daylight savings time?
Clocks may turn back an hour on Nov. 6 for the last time

NEBRASKA CITY - This fall’s end of daylight savings time could be America’s last. Most of America will turn clocks back one hour at 2 a.m. on Sunday, Nov. 6. Daylight Savings Time is scheduled to kick off again in March, but the future of the bi-annual time shift is in the hands of Congress and President Joe Biden. The U.S. Senate recently passed the Sunshine Protection Act to make daylight savings time standard for all U.S. states. That bill was written not to take effect until 2023. The Sunshine Protection Act is awaiting review by the U.S. House of Representatives. If it is passed there, it will go for the President’s signature. Regardless of what Congress does, Americans will still “spring forward” on March 12, 2023. Daylight savings time was established as a national standard in the 1960s, when Congress passed the Uniform Time Act. Arizona and Hawaii are the only two states to opt out of daylight savings time. Other states have daylight savings time year around. A switch to permanent daylight saving time would cause winter sunrises to occur even later than they already do. In South Bend, Indiana, a New Year’s Day sunrise would not occur until 9:15 a.m.

[Busguy2010]

You know my vote is keep doing what we are doing, make standard time longer, or make standard time permanent. I absolutely hate daylight saving time. I can't wait to get my hour back.

[BRoss]

I really hope we end this and go to DST permanently. I like light in the evening. I couldn't care less about it in the morning.

[Busguy2010]

I just like the sun to peak as close to noon as possible. It does that on standard time. And I've always been a night owl, standard time makes me a little more like a normal person. Days are shorter in winter regardless of if its DST or standard. I think employers should allow people to come in an hour early if they want to enjoy extra daylight after work. And anyway, on the shortest day of the year, it wouldnt matter much if you got off at 4 or 5, it'll still essentially be dark by the time you get home. And its cold, so theres not much fun to be had outside anyway. Seasonal depression is caused by shorter days, not standard time. Shorter days are unavoidable. It's DST that is the problem health-wise, not the switching back and forth. If we didnt switch to DST, we wouldnt have those problems.

[BRoss]

I just like the sun to peak as close to noon as possible. It does that on standard time. And I've always been a night owl, standard time makes me a little more like a normal person. Days are shorter in winter regardless of if its DST or standard. I think employers should allow people to come in an hour early if they want to enjoy extra daylight after work. And anyway, on the shortest day of the year, it wouldnt matter much if you got off at 4 or 5, it'll still essentially be dark by the time you get home. And its cold, so theres not much fun to be had outside anyway. Seasonal depression is caused by shorter days, not standard time. Shorter days are unavoidable. It's DST that is the problem health-wise, not the switching back and forth. If we didnt switch to DST, we wouldnt have those problems.

This past summer I started going in at 7 to get out at 4. And with me wfh, I'm home immediately. So I'll get a little extra daylight after work this coming winter. But I'd still like to have light until about 6 on the shortest days instead of 5.

For me, seasonal depression is a lot more than just the duration of the days. It's the frequent overcast days, cold, everything being dormant, and not having a lot of time to get out. As I've started to get older, I tend to not want to go out after dark in the winter. So that makes most of my free time cooped up in the house. I also like going on walks, even in the winter when it's decent, and I don't have much of a window for that either. I could go on with ways it negatively impacts me.

I also love having light until about 10 in the summer and not having it rise before 5.

To me, DST is just better all around. But I get that you may have a different view and reasons. Just like our differences on weather. I'll never understand your love of cold and cloudiness and hate of heat as I'm the opposite, but to each their own.

[Busguy2010]

I definitely know I hold the unpopular opinion on it. I get why most people want it, because most people get off work in the afternoon. Ive mainly worked the second shift my whole life, so it really doesn't matter to me as far as doing things after work, except that when it gets dark at 10, it screws with my own personal circadian rhythm. I for whatever reason have never been able to sleep until what would be halfway through most people's nights. Couple that with being "on" and active later (artificially) and just the blatant theft of an hour of sleep, in the summer I don't find myself feeling sleepy until 2 or 3 am. And when I work my other job at 7am, it gets quite rough. That's why I hold that real hour I get back so dearly. IMO, DST is a fabrication, and it affects me negatively, so thats why id hate to see it go permanent. And that theres multiple studies out there that point out DST is the problem, not the solution, and "standard time" is actually standard time (who wouldda thunk).

[BRoss]

Couple that with being "on" and active later (artificially) and just the blatant theft of an hour of sleep, in the summer I don't find myself feeling sleepy until 2 or 3 am. And when I work my other job at 7am, it gets quite rough.

Yeah, I can see how that can be problematic.

[ricko]

I seem to recall that one of the reasons behind DST had something to do with kids going to school on dark Winter mornings. Maybe that was a myth, dunno.

[Busguy2010]

I seem to recall that one of the reasons behind DST had something to do with kids going to school on dark Winter mornings. Maybe that was a myth, dunno.

That's one of the arguments for standard time. I think part of the problem is people dont universally understand which is standard and which is DST. People just seem to call each switch DST. I've seen it over and over in articles left and right, the writer will make an argument that would be for standard time and say it was for DST. And make claims that the switch in the fall causes the health problems that are actually relieved by the switch in the fall and caused by the switch in the spring, That confusion is so much that I don't even believe the bill writers and those that voted on it in the Senate even fully understand which one is which, or which one is the one they would vote for. People just don't want to switch anymore and that part is understandable, I'm just not entirely sure people actually know which one they want, and that's why I don't think it'll pass the house, or at least it very well shouldn't.

[Busguy2010]

I just got suggested an article today that told me Mexico voted to do the opposite of what the US voted to do. This was the last time they will change their clocks. They wont be springing forward in March.

[jessep28]

Just go to standard time, and keep it that way. If you want a "longer day" for golfing or whatever during the warm months, nothing is stopping people from waking up an hour earlier.

[Busguy2010]

Just go to standard time, and keep it that way. If you want a "longer day" for golfing or whatever during the warm months, nothing is stopping people from waking up an hour earlier.

Thats what I would like. I value my hour of sleep over doing something outside after 9pm.

[nativeomahan]

I just got suggested an article today that told me Mexico voted to do the opposite of what the US voted to do. This was the last time they will change their clocks. They wont be springing forward in March.

Yes this is true. It is almost totally being driven by the personal whim of the Mexican president, who dislikes DST for whatever reason. He pushed the bill through the Mexican Congress against the advice of his economists and the travel and tourist industry. Exemptions are allowed for many cities that border the United States, and individual states can opt to return to seasonal DST if they hold a public vote on the issue. I’m fortunate that our home in México is on Central time despite being as far west as Denver, so I never oversleep and miss a sunrise even in June, and we have daylight until 6:30 pm even in January.

I have always been a lover of DST. I appreciate the ability to grill dinner outdoors in daylight, even in late October. Next weekend that all goes away until March. Admittedly in Nebraska I don’t think much about grilling or using the patio in December or January, but it is nice to at least have some outdoor daylight at 6 pm. even in winter.

[Athomsfere]

I'm permanent DST too! I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do the switch this year again.

It's so nice to not go to work in the dark, and get home after dark.

[Busguy2010]

I'm betting we're going to continue switching. There will be uproar if we go permanent either way with Standard or DST. I can be fair, if we can't agree on one, I just want to go back to the old system of Standard from mid-October to April, and DST the rest of the way. I just don't like having jet lag for 75% of the year. Take it down to half, I'll accept it. We've only been doing the current system since 2007.

[Coyote]

Nov 6, 2022 - Daylight Saving Time Ends

[nativeomahan]

In another week this thread will begin to collect dust, until March 2023.

[Busguy2010]

I think of this as my personal New Years Eve. I'm excited and I'm staying up celebrating, counting down the minutes to when it goes from 1:59 to 1:00. To see it happen is sweet justice.

[Busguy2010]

WOOOOOO! If anybody asked me why I'm up so late, I say, "My, its only one o'clock". Thank goodness. And for your listening pleasure, heres a couple songs you probably haven't heard in a while.

[Coyote]

Time to spring forward! Daylight saving time starts Sunday

Standard time comes to an end in most parts of the United States this weekend. You’ll lose an hour of sleep for one night but gain more daylight in the evening in the months ahead. The transition to daylight saving time is official at 2 a.m. local time Sunday across much of the country. Then on March 20, winter sunsets and spring is sprung. Until daylight saving time ends in the wee hours of Nov. 5, the sun will rise later in the morning than it has during standard time but it will stay light for longer until the evening.

It’s a good idea to set clocks an hour ahead before bed Saturday night. No time change is observed in Hawaii, most of Arizona, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam and the Northern Marianas. A poll conducted in October 2021 found that most people in the United States want to avoid switching between daylight saving and standard time, though there is no consensus behind which should be used all year. The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25% of those questioned said they preferred to switch back and forth between standard and daylight saving time. Forty-three percent said they would like to see standard time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent said they would prefer that daylight saving time be used all year.

[Coyote]

[Uffda]

I saw this map showing when the latest sunrise would be if the US went full time DST

[S.O.Boy]

I saw this map showing when the latest sunrise would be if the US went full time DST

I hate the time change but a 8:45 am sunrise in December would suck.

[ChadJK]

I hate the time change but a 8:45 am sunrise in December would suck.

Light level in the office doesn't change no matter the time of year. I'd rather commute to work in the morning in the dark if it means I could have another hour of daylight after work. Opinions vary...

[Busguy2010]

Okay, so I don't know how many of you have a samsung/android phone. But my phone suggests articles to me, and since daylight saving time is coming to an end, I've been getting a lot of suggested articles. And what grids my gears about it is legit news outlets are posting articles with straight misinformation. The one I got suggested today was that "daylight saving time is around the corner and it looks like it might be here to stay". It seems that people just call each time change "daylight saving time"? Or are some of these people just that misinformed? The sunshine protection act (which I totally disagree with) never made it to the house and is expired. If they want to try it again, they have to start over. Now, I'm a fan of standard time (real time in my book), so I'm happy about standard time coming up. Standard time is when the sun is at its apex closest to noon as possible. Here in Omaha, If i recall my past research correctly, if it were standard time year round, it would apex anywhere between 11:59am and 12:37pm. As it is now, it can be as late as 1:37. My main points against daylight saving time are as follows:

Standard time is just that. Standard. It's what time it's supposed to be.

When we switch this weekend, we gain our artificially lost hour of sleep. I think it's pretty cool to get our hour back.

Anybody else notice how late it stays dark in the morning recently? This makes it more difficult to "get going", plus using electricity to get ready for the day.

Marco Rubio, who headed the sunshine protection act once said, "let's stop this nonsense" [switching the clocks]. I agree, we should stop switching the clocks, but he made it sound like standard time was the "nonsense", when actually daylight saving time is the nonsense.

Deaths and health issues related to the time change are attributed to the change in the spring, the one where we lose an hour of sleep and the sun stays out ridiculously late.

Some can make an argument against standard time due to seasonal affective disorder. However, that's attributed to the inherent length of days in the winter, not the time change itself
We can't change the length of day. Besides, during the shortest days, most people are getting off work to dusk or darkness regardless it the sun sets at 4:45 or 5:45. There's just no way around the length of the day, it can't be changed.

Daylight saving was invented to save electricity and help farmers. It's been proven to have negligible effect on energy, and farmers generally do not see any benefit from it. I even read an article (don't remember exactly) that a lot of them are actually against daylight saving.

In general, I don't think we're ever going to stop switching. People for standard time (theres more of us than you'd think) are never going to agree with people for daylight saving, and I think there'd be uproar if we went permanent either way. Where I could agree is reducing the length of daylight saving to half the year. 6 months of each It'd be more in line with what we used to have. Standard time starting at the fall equinox and ending at the spring equinox made sense to me. I've come up with a lot of thoughts to find an even ground that I don't think a lot would handle, but they'd make more sense to me:

First, find the exact location in the US where the differential in solar noon is the smallest window. You know how here it varies about 40 minutes throughout the year, I'm sure it's smaller elsewhere. Find that place, when the sun is at its peak on the longest day of the year there, make that "true noon" and adjust the time zones (thats another thing that could be done much differently and more efficiently) accordingly and don't touch it after that.

Or stick with what we have, except in the spring, move clocks forward by a half hour and never touch em again.

Just some thoughts that come up when the time changes come around.

[Athomsfere]

Anybody else notice how late it stays dark in the morning recently? This makes it more difficult to "get going", plus using electricity to get ready for the day.



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First, find the exact location in the US where the differential in solar noon is the smallest window. You know how here it varies about 40 minutes throughout the year, I'm sure it's smaller elsewhere. Find that place, when the sun is at its peak on the longest day of the year there, make that "true noon" and adjust the time zones (thats another thing that could be done much differently and more efficiently) accordingly and don't touch it after that.

It's standard, but also arbitrary. A mishmash between knowing what happened about where in time, and predictability. An odd remaining sexagesimal system mostly decided and standardized by those with the most power in one general culture during the industrial revolution.

We can absolutely change any part of it that does work optimally now.

I don't mind the dark mornings. Those are miserable times period.

I do want more daytime for playtime. After work, I want that extra hour on my bike or walking in the park.

Standard time damn near kills me. It seems like I get off work just in time to watch the sunset. That hour would make a huge difference to me.

I don't know why you'd do that last thing about measuring the sun. It's like a worse UTC / GMT system.

Which, why not just move the UTC would be my thought. It's 14:19 right now instead of 9.19 am. It makes it far easier to coordinate with my colleagues around the world, and all we have to do is shift the number we give to routine tasks. Lunch is at 22.00 in the midwest for example.

A few more cultural changes might be just as good as either though. Permanent DST being to me the best and easiest. But short of that, maybe just more flex-hour options for more careers.

[Brad]

Standard time can absolutely go away! I prefer it dark in the morning. I like diving to work in the dark, people are less crazy before the sun comes up and traffic flows better.

I would much rather have light after work. Not a fan of rolling out off the office felling I missed the daylight after work.

Bring on the year round daylight's saving time.

[BRoss]

Yeah I hate that standard time starts this weekend. It's when my seasonal depression goes through the roof. Not much time for walks after work once that hits.

I get that it sucks to get up in the dark and I'm struggling with it right now, but having that extra hour at a more beneficial time is really worth it.

[Coyote]

Should we have permanent daylight saving time?



Is it time to stop changing our clocks twice a year? On this time-warping edition of #WakeUpCLT To Go, we're asking viewers if we should have permanent daylight saving time.

Daylight saving time ends Sunday, Nov. 5, rolling back the clocks an hour in the middle of the night and granting most Americans an extra hour of sleep as they "fall back." And while some of us enjoy the extra hour of sleep, many people hate early sunsets and getting dark in the late afternoon compared to the typical 7 p.m. or later.

Only two U.S. states, Arizona and Hawaii, don't observe daylight saving time at all, refusing to roll their clocks forward and backward every year. But Hawaii and Arizona are outliers, relying on a loophole in a 57-year-old federal law that requires states to stay on daylight saving time.

The Uniform Time Act of 1966 mandates the country use daylight saving time, but allows states to opt out and exempt themselves from the practice to stay on standard time year-round. It does not allow states to permanently establish daylight saving time, which would keep them an hour ahead from November to March while other states switch to standard time.

Many states have passed measures to stay on daylight saving time permanently — a move that some have called "lock the clock." For some states, they're willing to go forward with it as long as a few of their neighbors do the same. #WakeUpCLT #DaylightSavingTime #TimeChange

[nativeomahan]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

[nebugeater]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

[thenewguy]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

exactly. doesn't seem necessary anymore.

[damonhynes]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

Every spring, my socials are packed with n00b stormchasers who claim that there's an extra hour of daylight, therefore one more hour to chase and another hour of atmospheric warming!

[nebugeater]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

Every spring, my socials are packed with n00b stormchasers who claim that there's an extra hour of daylight, therefore one more hour to chase and another hour of atmospheric warming!

All I can add is "OK then" ;)

[Busguy2010]

Guess what? We all know that life will go on just as it always has despite the twice yearly adjustment of clocks…half or more of which now automatically adjust themselves.

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

exactly. doesn't seem necessary anymore.

It isn't necessary. But we can't seem to settle on which one to go with. I think going with either one permanently is going to upset a lot of people. Now, if it was 90%-10% then sure. But it's more like 70%-30%, and that's just "do you want to stop changing clocks" I'm in the 70% on that. But when the question is "which do you prefer?" the numbers aren't so conclusive in the assumption that the answer is "of course, daylight saving time".

https://apnorc.org/projects/daylight-sa ... ermanently.

[Linkin5]

Sunlight in the evening>sunlight in the morning

[Busguy2010]

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

Every spring, my socials are packed with n00b stormchasers who claim that there's an extra hour of daylight, therefore one more hour to chase and another hour of atmospheric warming!

That's a good one. I'd hope it was a joke, but it's not. Smart as we are, there really are people that don't know the length of daylight doesn't change when the clocks do. It's a fabrication. If you wanted to experience more daylight, you could just wake up an hour earlier lol.