Costco - NW Omaha (180th & Maple)

djc311 · Post by **djc311** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:51 pm

I bet 90%+ of the opposition will walk through the door once it's opened.

riceweb · Post by **riceweb** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm

If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?

Greg S · Post by **Greg S** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:08 pm

riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?

Everyone wants to fight these things right by their homes. Can you imagine though if this was a high density apartment complex?

If you are building a house or buying one close to a street like Maple and don't see things like this as a probably eventuality, then you are just kidding yourself.

Greg

ita · Post by **ita** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:12 pm

riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?

These outer ring subdivisions are master planned to incorporate developments off of the major thoroughfares for these mixed used commercial developments. People buying residences in these subdivisions are often aware that the greenfield across the street is dedicated for those type of developments. People purposely buy into these west Omaha subdivisions because they will eventually be close to some commercial mixed use development. Existing subdivisions in the area are built out in similar development patterns.

What Costco is doing on 180th and Blondo is not outside what was planned for the neighborhood and its infrastructure nor does it deviate from existing nearby development patterns. If Costco, or anyone, wants to build in say, Dundee, we are talking about something that doesn't fit the fabric of the existing neighborhood and building in an neighborhood not intended to support such development.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:15 pm

riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?

I get the intention of what you're saying, but the circumstances are wildly different. On 180th and Maple, there is constant new construction filling up empty plots of land. Plots of land that have been for sale and will obviously be getting developed. It's not like these people are building in the middle of the country and can expect no traffic and no commercial neighbors.

In Dundee, you'd basically be tearing down tons of homes, current businesses or developing one of the most iconic parks in the city. I feel like this a false comparison, and everyone always shits on Dundee being all NIMBY, when the opportunities to develop in Dundee are quite few and far between. And its not like things aren't getting built, the Elmwood Townhomes tore down homes with not much naysaying, multiple new apartment buildings have gone up and are continuing to go up right on Dodge in the middle of Dundee.

Trooper · Post by **Trooper** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:56 pm

If there had been a little better planning upfront they could have planned for a major retailer and not go through the same complaints every time one of these goes to the planning board. Maybe they still can make the changes is someone is willing to pony up a little cash. The subdivision to the south already owns the lot in green (drainage area, but room to move that west a little). Make that into a cul-de-sac and curve the other two roads. That way it is a conscious decision to turn and go into the residential area. Also, it is one less stop for cars exiting the costco. Artwork not to scale

riceweb · Post by **riceweb** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:35 pm

I still think the Costco is fine to go in here, but it's almost seemed like the pro-mixed-use folks have been cheering on the construction of an enormous Costco that will have a huge amount of parking, contribute to sprawl, water runoff, etc.

In general, I would like to see infill even in outer West Omaha to begin building more densely. And certainly we're seeing that this is doable, even in the 'burbs, based on the renderings of West Farm / Heartland Preserve and Avenue One.

thejdgates · Post by **thejdgates** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:29 pm

I am calling it now: The initial layout shown in the image above does not seem to provide enough room for long lines for the Gas Station across Evans. You would think they've learned their lesson with Dodge and keep the pumps closer to the parking lot. Also hoping they did some member gas station use mapping. You gotta think initially it'll ease congestion at Dodge, and not be too busy initially at Maple, but as more people move into the neighborhoods to the North and West, it could get backed up, and if that happens I would hate to be a patron of the 2 businesses on either side of the gas station.

Regardless, I don't see a way this plan doesn't go through. It'll get approved, be rezoned, and the site will be built out sooner than later as the Fleet Farm development is moving along already. But for us, trying to think of what ends up in those out lots will be fun! (My guesses are Starbucks, Chick-Fil-A or other fast food, a bank/a medical/dental office, and in the least likely but my most hopeful guess: Trader Joe's in the Southwest corner lot.)

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:10 pm

Trooper wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:56 pm If there had been a little better planning upfront they could have planned for a major retailer and not go through the same complaints every time one of these goes to the planning board. Maybe they still can make the changes is someone is willing to pony up a little cash. The subdivision to the south already owns the lot in green (drainage area, but room to move that west a little). Make that into a cul-de-sac and curve the other two roads. That way it is a conscious decision to turn and go into the residential area. Also, it is one less stop for cars exiting the costco. Artwork not to scale

I like your idea.

djc311 · Post by **djc311** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:40 pm

I agree with the comment about moving into a home relatively close to a major road such as Maple you should really see things like this coming. As others have said you can’t compare it to ppl upset about development in Dundee (or Benson, or any other well established neighborhood). This land has been farmland for decades. The ppl buying these homes have to figure it’s going to be developed in some way, shape or form. Most likely commercial or mixed use, multi-residential.

Would it suck to have a Costco across from your house? Probably not a great site. Look at the Dino’s Storage built at 192nd & Q St. it’s 3 stories and literally is across the street from homes that are pretty new. It’s an ugly site but it got done. I’m sure Maple with the higher traffic counts has more of a chance for big developments.

S.O.Boy · Post by **S.O.Boy** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:21 pm

riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?

If they are voicing their concerns with what they see as issues with traffic, they need be heard out.

But some NIMBY have unrealistic expectations.

ProgKingHughesker · Post by **ProgKingHughesker** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:47 pm

riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:35 pm I still think the Costco is fine to go in here, but it's almost seemed like the pro-mixed-use folks have been cheering on the construction of an enormous Costco that will have a huge amount of parking, contribute to sprawl, water runoff, etc.

In general, I would like to see infill even in outer West Omaha to begin building more densely. And certainly we're seeing that this is doable, even in the 'burbs, based on the renderings of West Farm / Heartland Preserve and Avenue One.

There will always be a market for stores like Costco, though, and they pretty much require a big parking lot. Even the most pro-transit folks are gonna find a way to finagle a car for a Costco run, taking bulk items home on public transit would be a right pain in the you-know-what

nebraska · Post by **nebraska** » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:34 am

Planning Department stopped updating its documents page in May, but I found the Costco doc here.

Post by **Brad** » Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:52 am

nebraska wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:34 am Planning Department stopped updating its documents page in May, but I found the Costco doc here.

They switched to a new page January 2022. talked about it in another thread. Not nearly as good.

New Planning Page:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experienc ... 6c391ad98/

nebraska · Post by **nebraska** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:30 am

Brad wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:52 am They switched to a new page January 2022. talked about it in another thread. Not nearly as good.

New Planning Page:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experienc ... 6c391ad98/

Thank you!

Post by **BRoss** » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:34 am

Planning department approved plans: https://omaha.com/news/local/omaha-plan ... f7b0f.html

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:27 am

New Costco in West Omaha one step closer to fruition

The Omaha Planning Board approved the preliminary plan to build the new store Wednesday.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:32 am

New Costco could be on its way to west Omaha

Another big box retailer could be on its way to west Omaha. The city planning board gave preliminary approval for a Costco to be built southeast of 180th Street and West Maple Road on 36 acres. As Omaha expands that growth brings change. The city estimates it will surpass one million residents in the next three years. City Planner David Fanslau expects more change will come in the northwest part of the city. "It's new suburban ground that's ripe for development and some people like that," Fanslau said.

That's why Costco is interested in building on the 36-acre site. The city's planning board voted for mixed-use zoning, which allows for office and commercial space. "They've proposed an office building. They've proposed, as you know, their gas station. Their gas lot is going to be one of their lots," Fanslau said. But not all homeowners are happy about more commercial development. The biggest concern residents have about another Costco is the potential traffic flow it could bring to the neighborhood.

"It'll be sort of a safety hazard and, at the same time, there were concerns about light pollution and other stuff," homeowner Catalin Ngrui said. Ngrui lives next to the site. Since this is a residential area with kids playing and biking he worries about their safety. While concerns like these were presented at the planning board meeting, Mike Pate — a board member — isn't too worried. "I doubt if very little of that traffic will go through the neighborhood because there are other entrance and exit routes to maneuver. I doubt really, that anything other than the neighbors who want to visit Costco themselves will go through the neighborhood," Pate said. "We don't know what it's going to be like," Ngrui said. The next step is for Omaha City Council to give its preliminary approval.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:08 pm

City Council approves zoning for new Costco location in west Omaha

At its meeting Tuesday afternoon, the City Council unanimously approved re-zoning a piece of property in west Omaha to become a new Costco location. Neighbors near the proposed third store location, at 180th Street and West Maple Road, voiced concerns during public comment at a previous council meeting, citing traffic problems in the areas around existing Costco locations. At its meeting Tuesday afternoon, the City Council unanimously approved re-zoning a piece of property in west Omaha to become a new Costco location. Neighbors near the proposed third store location, at 180th Street and West Maple Road, voiced concerns during public comment at a previous council meeting, citing traffic problems in the areas around existing Costco locations. In agreeing to re-zone the property from agricultural to commercial, councilmembers also cited that the new store would help the city’s economy, offering additional jobs.

Stretch · Post by **Stretch** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:30 pm

I worked for Costco for 10 years on my last day my manager verbally abused me, choked me and hit me several times into a wall. He lied like snake to God and everyone, law enforcement included. They fired me blamed me for the entire situation and threatened me with legal action if I stepped foot on Costco grounds or tried to contact anyone who works there. NOW They want to build a Costco 1 block from my house I am going to sit outside everyday with a sign that states "Costco abuses Veterans".

almighty_tuna · Post by **almighty_tuna** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:40 pm

Stretch is comin' in hot for their first post!

Greg S · Post by **Greg S** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:24 pm

almighty_tuna wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:40 pm Stretch is comin' in hot for their first post!

This board just got more spicy. Hopefully he's not just here to attack Costco. Would be much more interesting if Stretch brings this level of enthusiasm to a variety of topics.

I can't wait for this store to open. The one on Dodge is just too busy along with all that traffic for the surrounding area on top of it.

Greg

djc311 · Post by **djc311** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:36 pm

Stretch wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:30 pm I worked for Costco for 10 years on my last day my manager verbally abused me, choked me and hit me several times into a wall. He lied like snake to God and everyone, law enforcement included. They fired me blamed me for the entire situation and threatened me with legal action if I stepped foot on Costco grounds or tried to contact anyone who works there. NOW They want to build a Costco 1 block from my house I am going to sit outside everyday with a sign that states "Costco abuses Veterans".

That's a lot of information to absorb in 60 seconds...

Mjs5050ss · Post by **Mjs5050ss** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 pm

Stretch wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:30 pm I worked for Costco for 10 years on my last day my manager verbally abused me, choked me and hit me several times into a wall. He lied like snake to God and everyone, law enforcement included. They fired me blamed me for the entire situation and threatened me with legal action if I stepped foot on Costco grounds or tried to contact anyone who works there. NOW They want to build a Costco 1 block from my house I am going to sit outside everyday with a sign that states "Costco abuses Veterans".

Two sides to every story, but I look forward to seeing you on my way in.

Good luck to you.

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:28 pm

Whatever Costco wants, Costco gets.

Post by **nebugeater** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:55 am

Stretch wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:30 pm I worked for Costco for 10 years on my last day my manager verbally abused me, choked me and hit me several times into a wall. He lied like snake to God and everyone, law enforcement included. They fired me blamed me for the entire situation and threatened me with legal action if I stepped foot on Costco grounds or tried to contact anyone who works there. NOW They want to build a Costco 1 block from my house I am going to sit outside everyday with a sign that states "Costco abuses Veterans".

Maybe this post is a bit of a STRETCH

TransitOriented · Post by **TransitOriented** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:20 pm

"Officials with Costco say a neighborhood entrance into Costco is required by the City of Omaha’s Master Plan for the sake of connectivity."

Was a that rule written after they built the 120th and Dodge location? It took years to get their neighborhood connectivity.

Mjs5050ss · Post by **Mjs5050ss** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:09 pm

Coming from someone who doesn't know a thing about planning, what's next here?

After preliminary plat approval, what is a typical timeline for the final plat and construction? Are we looking at a year from construction or more?

Post by **Brad** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:34 pm

Mjs5050ss wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:09 pm Coming from someone who doesn't know a thing about planning, what's next here?

After preliminary plat approval, what is a typical timeline for the final plat and construction? Are we looking at a year from construction or more?

I believe its typically around 6 months from Prelim Plat to Final Plat.

Construction typically goes as follows:
1. Rough grade entire development
2. Construct Sanitary Sewer for entire development
3. Construct Storm Sewer for entire development
4. Construct Streets for entire development
5. Install Gas, Water, and Power for entire development

Costco could probably start construction around #2, but some businesses will wait until the development is a little further along. There are some supply chain issues right now which could slow projects down.

Greg S · Post by **Greg S** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:29 pm

TransitOriented wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:20 pm "Officials with Costco say a neighborhood entrance into Costco is required by the City of Omaha’s Master Plan for the sake of connectivity."

Was a that rule written after they built the 120th and Dodge location? It took years to get their neighborhood connectivity.

I wonder if it's from Omaha By Design? Can't remember when that was formed and the rules adopted.

Greg

Post by **Brad** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:51 am

Latest Site Plan for the Planning Board:
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... ber/02.pdf

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Tue May 02, 2023 12:12 am

Omaha City Council to hold second hearing for potential West Maple Costco

The City of Omaha may be one step closer to getting a second Costco. On Tuesday, May 2, the Omaha City Council is scheduled to have a second rezoning hearing for the Costco planned for 180th and Maple. People who live nearby have already voiced concern. They cite traffic problems near existing Costco stores, including the one near 120th and Dodge.

Kate Hybner of Omaha says a new Costco isn’t a good fit for the rapidly developing area. “It’s a good spot, but right in front of a super nice neighborhood, I don’t feel like it would be that pretty,” Hybner said. A public hearing and vote for the new Costco is scheduled for next Tuesday, May 9. That’s just one of many projects underway in the area. West of the proposed Costco, a preschool, a bank, a Burger Detour and high-end townhomes are also going up.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue May 02, 2023 12:59 am

Damn Kate, that's such a NIMBY statement. And you're neighborhood ain't that |expletive| nice.

djc311 · Post by **djc311** » Tue May 02, 2023 2:10 am

Louie wrote: Tue May 02, 2023 12:59 am Damn Kate, that's such a NIMBY statement. And you're neighborhood ain't that |expletive| nice.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Tue May 09, 2023 10:55 pm

Omaha City Council approves West Maple Costco build

The Omaha City Council has given the go-ahead for a third Costco in Omaha.

Mjs5050ss · Post by **Mjs5050ss** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:18 pm

A lot of dirt being moved around now.

Post by **BRoss** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:25 pm

Mjs5050ss wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 5:18 pm A lot of dirt being moved around now.

Have they finally started on that southeast corner? There's been a lot on the northeast corner.

Mjs5050ss · Post by **Mjs5050ss** » Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 pm

Yes, the southeast (Costco corner) has quite a bit of dirt that was moved last week.

Now the only part of 180th and Maple without movement is northwest.

Post by **BRoss** » Tue May 30, 2023 10:19 pm

Mjs5050ss wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 pm Yes, the southeast (Costco corner) has quite a bit of dirt that was moved last week.

Now the only part of 180th and Maple without movement is northwest.

Nice, I was wondering why there hadn't been any movement there yet. Guessing sewers and streets need to be done before the Costco starts to go up.

Renovator2559 · Post by **Renovator2559** » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:49 am

Louie wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:15 pm
riceweb wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:59 pm If this Costco were going in at Happy Hollow and Dodge St, neighbors in Dundee would be rightly concerned about traffic, impact on neighborhood, etc.

So my question is: where's the "line" that separates NIMBY concerns in Dundee as valid and NIMY concerns at 180th and Maple as invalid? If the neighbors all wanted a mixed-use neighborhood to go in at 180th instead, would that make their concerns more legitimate?
I get the intention of what you're saying, but the circumstances are wildly different. On 180th and Maple, there is constant new construction filling up empty plots of land. Plots of land that have been for sale and will obviously be getting developed. It's not like these people are building in the middle of the country and can expect no traffic and no commercial neighbors.

In Dundee, you'd basically be tearing down tons of homes, current businesses or developing one of the most iconic parks in the city. I feel like this a false comparison, and everyone always shits on Dundee being all NIMBY, when the opportunities to develop in Dundee are quite few and far between. And its not like things aren't getting built, the Elmwood Townhomes tore down homes with not much naysaying, multiple new apartment buildings have gone up and are continuing to go up right on Dodge in the middle of Dundee.

What I found dissapointing on Dundee, is when the city offered to place two roundabouts in two intersections to facilitate 2 way traffic as well as slow down traffic to allow pedestrians to cross.

Dundee residents said no and they just wanted 2 way traffic with traffic lights, which they believe is safer! So the city just ended up scrapping and just leaving as is, one way traffic.