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Re: 2025 Wish List

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TitosBuritoBarn wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:45 pm A more evenly distributed population makes the urban core more convenient to more people, potentially contributing to its vibrancy. When I visit my parents in Millard, it is hard to rationalize doing certain things downtown sometimes because it's too far away; too much of a time commitment. Concentrating growth to the east could equal more balanced commutes, rather than focusing all the traffic to the west. It also creates the opportunity for a centralized transportation hub, which is not easy when the core is not centered.

To the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're getting at. Council Bluffs' relation to Des Moines is negligible and unimportant, as is Iowa's population relative to Nebraska's. The State of Iowa does not have explicit "needs" for Council Bluffs, nor do they emphasize Des Moines as a city relatively higher than their other cities. Doing so would be a great way for elected officials to get voted out office, seeing that the Des Moines area represents only 20% of the state's population.
Furthermore, nobody has ever moved to Gretna hoping that someday it will be a tertiary core city for eastern Nebraska. People move to Gretna to escape urbanity. Gretna's future is more Plano than Hoboken. Besides, a rail system could likely exist today between Omaha and Lincoln with appropriate first mile/last mile accommodations.
Again, why would we want our tax base to go to Iowa, instead of contributing to Nebraska and the Omaha side? The city as whole benefits better if the taxbase remains in Nebraska, which means more high scale projects in the core to fund. If we somehow start pushing developers too much to Council Bluffs, than those taxpayers will not benefit the core. If Council Bluffs was actually in Nebraska, than there would be no issue, but CB is in Iowa. There is more red tape and bureaucracy when dealing with a city in another state.

St. Louis is just like Omaha in having their population in Missouri and not having an even distribution of population to East St. Louis, why would St. Louis devote their resources to serve East St. Louis which is in Illinois?

Chicago is also more linear like Omaha, due to lake Michigan acting as a major barrier and their city is doing just fine with transportation, even if Chicago is not a circular city with their downtown in the middle.

The drive within Omaha is nowhere near what other larger cities have. Even if these cities have distribution of population around their downtown. It's always been a complaint by those that live in the suburbs, that their downtown is far away. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done about a person that chooses to live in the suburbs. They have their valid reason for living where they want to live, but if they want to experience downtown frequently; then they can move and live closer to downtown.

My perception of Gretna was like yours, however after I looked at Gretna's long term plans. I was impressed and my perceptions changed. They do indicate they don't want to become just another sprawling suburb, their plans include walkability, density, bike trails, plenty of mixed used developments and green spaces. Gretna will become its own hub and shows much more promise than Elkhorn.
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Would like to see a building that is home to state of the art Union Pacific railroad musuem and college baseball hall of fame.
I've visited the RR MUSUEM in Sacramento and we need one equal to or better.
Why is the college baseball Hall of Fame somewhere else besides Omaha. It makes no sense.
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Imissomaha wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:16 pm Would like to see a building that is home to state of the art Union Pacific railroad musuem and college baseball hall of fame.
I've visited the RR MUSUEM in Sacramento and we need one equal to or better.
Why is the college baseball Hall of Fame somewhere else besides Omaha. It makes no sense.
That RR Museum in Sacramento is sweet!

We had the baseball discussion before and if I remember right, people we thinking Omaha would be more of a CWS museum, not a college baseball museum.
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Renovator2559 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:20 pm Again, why would we want our tax base to go to Iowa, instead of contributing to Nebraska and the Omaha side? The city as whole benefits better if the taxbase remains in Nebraska, which means more high scale projects in the core to fund. If we somehow start pushing developers too much to Council Bluffs, than those taxpayers will not benefit the core. If Council Bluffs was actually in Nebraska, than there would be no issue, but CB is in Iowa. There is more red tape and bureaucracy when dealing with a city in another state.
The issue of taxes and Iowa residents isn't as black-and-white as it may seem, for several reasons. First, the taxes Iowans pay to Iowa support infrastructure and services that they primarily use in Iowa, where they likely spend most of their time. While this money doesn’t flow to Nebraska, it’s not as though Iowans are paying taxes to Iowa while receiving services exclusively from Nebraska, leaving Iowa to pocket the money and pave its streets with gold. Nor is it the case that everyone on the Nebraska side is heading to Iowa for retail goods, creating a disproportionate flow of sales tax revenue into Iowa. While Iowans do come to Nebraska, the opposite happens as well.

Second, the city of Omaha doesn’t necessarily benefit as a whole if more tax revenue shifts to the state of Nebraska from the state of Iowa. Cities typically receive less state funding than they contribute in tax revenue, with rural communities often seeing the opposite. Coupled with Omaha's established retail centers that attract regional sales tax dollars, one could argue that Omaha benefits when Iowans spend money on goods and services there, while Iowa bears most of their daily service burden through its own taxing bodies.
Chicago is also more linear like Omaha, due to lake Michigan acting as a major barrier and their city is doing just fine with transportation, even if Chicago is not a circular city with their downtown in the middle.
Yes, Chicago is doing fine and the lake provides an economic advantage that negates parts of not having as centralized core as it could. That said, not having a totally centralized core does have some impacts. While Chicago is the third largest metro area, there is a little more commuting by transit in the the smaller Bay Area, DC, and Boston (as well as New York). While reasons for transit ridership is very nuanced, what is observable about each of these metros is that they all have at least a slightly more centralized core.

Compare Toronto to Montreal as well. Toronto has it's city center on the lakefront while Montreal's is more centralized. Despite Toronto being a larger metro area, Montreal has greater transit ridership.
The drive within Omaha is nowhere near what other larger cities have.
I wouldn't be so sure. How many other cities Omaha's size do you know of with 10+ lane interstates. The distance from downtown Omaha to the Menards in Elkhorn is 17 miles as the crow flies. That is the same distance, give or take a few miles to the edge of contiguous urban development anywhere in the Kansas City area from downtown Kansas City. Put another way, Elkhorn is as far away from downtown Omaha as some of the outer ends of Overland Park are from downtown Kansas City.
Even if these cities have distribution of population around their downtown. It's always been a complaint by those that live in the suburbs, that their downtown is far away. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done about a person that chooses to live in the suburbs. They have their valid reason for living where they want to live, but if they want to experience downtown frequently; then they can move and live closer to downtown.
Exactly. Like Iowa.

Even if they don't want to go downtown, it puts less stress on the infrastructure between downtown and west Omaha.
My perception of Gretna was like yours, however after I looked at Gretna's long term plans. I was impressed and my perceptions changed. They do indicate they don't want to become just another sprawling suburb, their plans include walkability, density, bike trails, plenty of mixed used developments and green spaces. Gretna will become its own hub and shows much more promise than Elkhorn.
You'd have to show me what you're referring to. From a cursory look I saw they are putting together a new comp plan, but are currently doing visioning sessions, which could end up going a lot of different ways. They may want walkability, density, bike trails, plenty of mixed used developments and green spaces, but the execution will make a difference. A lot of suburbs think they can just add water to these things and it will get an expected result when in reality it's closer to cooking a turkey; it's a lot more complicated and nuanced. How some of those elements are defined has become a bit loose as well. Mixed use, for example, traditionally suggests residential and commercial combined together into a singular building or separate buildings but blended together. Some developers will call a development "mixed-use" when it's, say, an office park that has retail out lots. I suppose in their mind it's "mixed" because retail and office are not the same thing and they are combining them on one development, but with the office component separated from the retail component by parking or barren green space, it's not really mixed use. They are separated. You can further make they argument that both uses are commercial and thus not mixed from that standpoint either. But I digress.
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TitosBuritoBarn wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:53 pm

You'd have to show me what you're referring to. From a cursory look I saw they are putting together a new comp plan, but are currently doing visioning sessions, which could end up going a lot of different ways. They may want walkability, density, bike trails, plenty of mixed used developments and green spaces, but the execution will make a difference. A lot of suburbs think they can just add water to these things and it will get an expected result when in reality it's closer to cooking a turkey; it's a lot more complicated and nuanced. How some of those elements are defined has become a bit loose as well. Mixed use, for example, traditionally suggests residential and commercial combined together into a singular building or separate buildings but blended together. Some developers will call a development "mixed-use" when it's, say, an office park that has retail out lots. I suppose in their mind it's "mixed" because retail and office are not the same thing and they are combining them on one development, but with the office component separated from the retail component by parking or barren green space, it's not really mixed use. They are separated. You can further make they argument that both uses are commercial and thus not mixed from that standpoint either. But I digress.
There is this plan for Gretna Crossing, with “trail oriented development” being the big thing

https://issuu.com/kmarvin/docs/the_cros ... 2023100609
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ita wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:45 pm I will go ahead and get this started this time around. Here's a couple of mine.

- Bluestone reveals plans for the Fairmont Creamery project and they start construction by the end of 2025.
- Kiewit Foundation and the City reveals the first big project they are doing in the urban core.
- The Mayor says someone is interested in 1415 Dodge, old UP site (I know, I have low standards)
Quoting myself because, hey someone, UP, is actually buying their UP site. I am trying to be more grateful about everything, so I am grateful that something is happening with the UP site.

Totally forgot about my other two, and completely forgot about the Kiewit Foundation thing. It's been crickets from that organization since they said they were going to start spending down.
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ita wrote: Mon Dec 15, 2025 11:20 am
ita wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:45 pm I will go ahead and get this started this time around. Here's a couple of mine.

- Bluestone reveals plans for the Fairmont Creamery project and they start construction by the end of 2025.
- Kiewit Foundation and the City reveals the first big project they are doing in the urban core.
- The Mayor says someone is interested in 1415 Dodge, old UP site (I know, I have low standards)
Quoting myself because, hey someone, UP, is actually buying their UP site. I am trying to be more grateful about everything, so I am grateful that something is happening with the UP site.

Totally forgot about my other two, and completely forgot about the Kiewit Foundation thing. It's been crickets from that organization since they said they were going to start spending down.

Yeah…

Let’s review the commonalities of 2025 wishlists:

1. Civic site progress? X

2. Downtown grocery? X

3. Crossroads progress? (Yeah, but it’s moving so slow most people think this project is dead or will never happen)

4. 10th & Harney high-rise plan? X (Back to square one)

5. Mercantile hotel? Drury. (Hooray, says Droopy Dog)

6. Union Omaha Stadium? TBD (Hinges on The Grinch so good luck Whoville)

7. Project Next? TBD (Likely dead, but at best significantly scaled back as Project Health)

8. Council Bluffs streetcar extension? X DEAD

9. Lot B announcement? X

10. King Fong? X

11. Old UP site? TBD - as new UP site? (Only cautious optimism is reasonable)

12. Fairmont Creamery? X

13. Mutual of O Campus redevelopment? X

14. Police/Fire Headquarters? X

15. Tower District? X

16. 16th St revival plan? X

*Add in significant streetcar delays and the Children’s Museum/Beam being put on hold and 2025 development wishes have turned out to be one big lump of coal.


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nebport5 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:17 pm
7. Project Next? TBD (Likely dead, but at best significantly scaled back as Project Health)
What makes you say this? It's literally under construction.
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Louie wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:29 pm
nebport5 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:17 pm
7. Project Next? TBD (Likely dead, but at best significantly scaled back as Project Health)
What makes you say this? It's literally under construction.
I was under the impression “Next" was the would be federal component and “Health” is just the hospital with UNMC’s own state level funding woes. Of course, the hospital rising itself is still a great project but overall disappointing as a whole if the federal portion that was estimated to bring 9,000 jobs, etc is lost.