Walmart Supercenter (72 & Hickory - Ranch Bowl)

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:03 pm

adam186 wrote:
Swift wrote:Hopefully the city is trying to "nickle and dime" them to the point that they no longer want to put a Wal-Mart on 72nd.
I doubt that. Wal-Mart is too huge to even notice it on their radar. Unless Omaha wants them to have solid gold walls and even then I would assume they still may consider it.

More what I meant was keep insisting on revised designs until they look up and realize it's 2056.

Asten · Post by **Asten** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:45 pm

midtown charlie wrote:That huge wall and the whole Wall Sam Depot project was probably the best thing to ever happen to Omaha!!!

I was waiting for the "j/k" or the

Hmm...

midtown charlie · Post by **midtown charlie** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:18 pm

No actually I am very serious. If it weren't for that horrendous development, the citizens, developers, city planners, etc.... would never have joined together to form Omaha By Design. Apprarently this is what it took to get people mad enough to take the law into their own hands!! So a big thanks goes out to John Boy and the rest of the Waltons!!

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:08 am

I understood your point, that corner had to "take one for the team."

Asten · Post by **Asten** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:12 am

midtown charlie wrote:No actually I am very serious. If it weren't for that horrendous development, the citizens, developers, city planners, etc.... would never have joined together to form Omaha By Design. Apprarently this is what it took to get people mad enough to take the law into their own hands!! So a big thanks goes out to John Boy and the rest of the Waltons!!

Oh, well, you made it sound like you liked it! Gah!

Anyway, Omaha by Design was already in progress when this happened, and the city did force changes to the buildings. But yeah, I see your point - Fool us once, wal mart sucks. Fool us again, shame on us.

Uffda · Post by **Uffda** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:21 pm

A 'greener' Wal-Mart design

Wal-Mart officials are touting their latest design for the proposed Supercenter northwest of 72nd and Hickory Streets - the site of Omaha's old Ranch Bowl - as one of the most "progressive" and "unique" in the Midwest.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1636&u_sid=2142060

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:34 pm

It looks like they are trying to hide the fact that it is a walmart with those trees, don’t blame them though.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:58 am

WOW it sure takes a lot of terraces and landscape buffers to hide a Wal-Mart in the city!

adam186 · Post by **adam186** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:16 am

That's pathetic that Wal-Mart is showing off their "most progressive and unique design for the midwest." Wow, all they are doing is adding trees and landscaped buffers.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:36 pm

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:09 am

That's got to be a record for the most |expletives| in one post!!

But I agree - these walmart folks are just two-bit developers. No creativity, imagination, or vision...

Post by **Brad** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:59 am

Fight brews with test of design group

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=163 ... nd=6908600

A Wal-Mart planned in south-central Omaha is emerging as the first real test of how far the city is willing to push developers to beautify new commercial buildings.

A fight is brewing over the design of the proposed Supercenter near 72nd Street and West Center Road. It's a fight that could fracture the three-year-old coalition of interests that until now have stood united in a broader effort to raise local building design standards.

A private group called Omaha By Design is leading that broader effort in cooperation with developers and the Fahey administration. New zoning codes are to be proposed later this year.

If Wal-Mart can't live with those demands and pulls out, so be it, says Connie Spellman, director of Omaha By Design.

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:11 pm

they are making me proud, this may get very interesting... i can't wait

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:10 pm

"We have set a new standard for Omaha," said Wal-Mart spokesman Ryan Horn, who grew up in Omaha.

What Omaha are they talking about?

"Look at this big ugly wall! And the building! Omaha has NOTHING as good as that!"

Uffda · Post by **Uffda** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:45 pm

I thought this was interesting

To acknowledge the area's history, Wal-Mart has agreed to design its new Pella supercenter with a Dutch flair.

The 99,704-square-foot store will be adorned with a Dutch-style stepped-gabled entryway, earth-toned concrete masonry and simulated stucco. It will have a saddle roof, Dutch cornices and arched accents over the windows. Landscaping in front of the store will feature tulip gardens and crabapple trees.

It wasn't necessarily voluntary - Pella established mandatory design standards for businesses in the 1980s, said City Administrator Mike Nardini.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=46&u_sid=2158449

OmahaJaysCU · Post by **OmahaJaysCU** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:58 pm

Did anyone catch this at the very end

A Wal-Mart proposed for Omaha will have a split-level floor plan with a mezzanine, Horn said.

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:51 pm

^no sounds fancy, but that explains how they are getting so much retail space in that area.. as to make a bigger parking lot

Greg S · Post by **Greg S** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:01 am

What I don't understand is when Wal-Mart said, " Wal-Mart says it is being asked to do more than the new Target under construction at 72nd and Dodge Streets. "It's a plain building with a red stripe," Wal-Mart's Horn said of the Target building."

Anyone that has seen the Target going up at Crossroads can clearly tell it's not a plain building with a red stripe. I think it's a great design and they did it without fighting Omaha.

Greg

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:27 am

The Target also wasn't a new development, so likely not subject to the same rules.

-Big E

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:17 pm

Omaha Board approves Wal-Mart at Ranch Bowl site

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:18 pm

Omaha Board approves Wal-Mart at Ranch Bowl site

The Omaha Planning Board Wednesday unanimously recommended approval of plans for a Wal-Mart at the former Ranch Bowl site. Neighbors were unhappy with the decision of the board to approve plans for the supercenter on 72nd and Hickory Streets, saying such a large, 24-hour store does not fit in the neighborhood.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1636&u_sid=2162768

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:04 pm

I read the article and am okay with many of the things people wanted WalMart to do. However, the fact remains that they are a business and that business is not pissing away money just to look nice.

Yet, I literally laughed when I read: "Regarding demands from neighbors to downsize the store from 221,000 square feet to 43,000 square feet, Bozeman was adamantly opposed."

How arrogant to expect the store to be willing to build something less than 20% the size they want. Why not just demand they scale it down to a convenient store?

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:06 pm

God forbid the respect the wishes of their customers.

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:22 pm

Swift wrote:God forbid the respect the wishes of their customers.

-If you are so sure that is the wishes of their customers, I am MORE than willing to lay odds that they have ZERO problem making money there (as a result of meeting their customer wishes). basically, you think they should respect the wishes of people that would not shop there any way.

I think the next location the Mart opens up should be 1/5th of the size of their other two locations.

I have no problem people asking them to scale back. But asking them to scale back 80% is flat out arrogance and stupidity at its worst (who honestly expects ANY company to say okay to that?).

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:37 pm

joeglow wrote:
Swift wrote:God forbid the respect the wishes of their customers.
-If you are so sure that is the wishes of their customers, I am MORE than willing to lay odds that they have ZERO problem making money there (as a result of meeting their customer wishes). basically, you think they should respect the wishes of people that would not shop there any way.

Perhaps, but this way they are guranteeing that those people won't shop there, where as the likely would have if walmart humored the wishes of their neighbors.

Can you imagine if someone moved into your neighborhood, painted their house like this:

Try and tell me you wouldn't be upset off. Well WalMart is doing the equivalent to their neighbors.

WalMart is arrogant and culturally insensitive. It's why people have no problem with Target (even though they are very similar operations), Target takes pride in it's appearance and makes sure the neighbors are happy, instead of just |expletive| slapping them and forcing them to accept what they don't want.

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:08 pm

I think the next location the Mart opens up should be 1/5th of the size of their other two locations.

I think the next location WalMart should open should be adowntown 60-story mixed use tower with a full featured Whole Foods and national retailers and no WalMart.

-Big E

MTO · Post by **MTO** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:17 pm

Big E wrote:
I think the next location the Mart opens up should be 1/5th of the size of their other two locations.
I think the next location WalMart should open should be adowntown 60-story mixed use tower with a full featured Whole Foods and national retailers and no WalMart.

-Big E

Now that’s what I’m talking about! Good idea!

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:29 pm

Swift wrote:
Can you imagine if someone moved into your neighborhood, painted their house like this:

Try and tell me you wouldn't be upset off. Well WalMart is doing the equivalent to their neighbors.

My neighbor's house IS this:

And I, along with everyone here is VERY happy about it!

TitosBuritoBarn · Post by **TitosBuritoBarn** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:12 pm

joeglow wrote: My neighbor's house IS this:

And I, along with everyone here is VERY happy about it!

...you live at Earl May?

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Fri May 05, 2006 10:44 am

Swift wrote:
WalMart is arrogant and culturally insensitive. It's why people have no problem with Target (even though they are very similar operations), Target takes pride in it's appearance and makes sure the neighbors are happy, instead of just |expletive| slapping them and forcing them to accept what they don't want.

-Didn't see this earlier. You act like WalMart goes to people's houses, points guns to their heads, and forces them to shop there.

WalMart is a VERY successful company. They KNOW what people want and realize they are in the business of giving people want they want. You are just upset that you want more and Wal Mart realizes you are simply the vocal TINY minority. Rather than turning your anger to WalMart for providing the MAJORITY of people with what the want, turn your anger to your fellow citizens who are not as demanding as you.

Finally, realize WalMart is a business in a free enterprise society. If their stores were so bad and they really "|expletive|-slapped" people, not only would they not be anywhere near as successful as they are, they would most likely be out of business.

Sadly most people live in Hollywood's created conspiracy theory world where we are all brain-washed to do what we have no desire to do by the big bad multi-national corporations. WalMart is NOT providing a commodity (like utilities). People have PLENTY of options to speak with their wallets and they do it every day.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:01 am

WalMart panders to the worse aspects of our society...the greasy, bloated, gimme gimme, me me me attitudes.

They're a greedy institution with no social conscious.

Sadly most people live in Hollywood's created conspiracy theory world where we are all brain-washed to do what we have no desire to do by the big bad multi-national corporations. WalMart is NOT providing a commodity (like utilities). People have PLENTY of options to speak with their wallets and they do it every day.

Praise God and pass the ammunition!!!!!!

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:11 am

Swift wrote:Praise God and pass the ammunition!!!!!!

-Ohhh I get it. You voice your concerns and are exercising you freedom of speech. Other people voice their concerns (vocally and with their wallets) and they are zealots. How oddly convenient for you.

the1wags · Post by **the1wags** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:21 pm

Thread lockdown in 5, 4, 3, ............

adam186 · Post by **adam186** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:08 pm

Joe, are ever a happy guy? It seems like everytime you post, you arguing a point and getting really frustrated. Chill out a little bit, people have different opinions and you don't always have to be right. Just my 2 cents.

4, 3, 2, ....

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:24 pm

adam186 wrote:Joe, are ever a happy guy? It seems like everytime you post, you arguing a point and getting really frustrated. Chill out a little bit, people have different opinions and you don't always have to be right. Just my 2 cents.

4, 3, 2, ....

-I am a very happy person. In fact, my whole point is EXACTLY the same as yours. It appears a lot of people on here want to whine and bash companies because they are giving the majority of people what they want. I understand they are frustrated and want things to change. However, their time would be better spent rallying support for their cause then simply making flat out stupid demands of companies. Asking Walmart to make their store 20-30% smaller is a reasonable request that has a hope of happening. Asking them to cut their store size by 80% is flat out stupid and unreasonable.

adam186 · Post by **adam186** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:29 pm

Well that's good know.

Anyway, I used to be the same way with demanding and wishing for the impossible before I started RE classes. I kinda wish I still could because it's so much fun to think anything is possible (w/in reason of course).

cdub · Post by **cdub** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:46 pm

The WalMart discussions were quite interesting and in the end Omaha is getting about all we could given the position we are in today. A couple of years from now we might be in a stronger position. Generally, however, all its ever about it how to dress up the box and how to obscure it with green.

WalMart is a concept that panders to greed, laziness and sloth

I'm not a huge WM supporter but some would say its convenience and value.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:35 pm

Convenience is a euphemism for sloth and avarice.

I wonder how many of the 7 deadly sins wal-mart qualifies for in total?

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Thu May 25, 2006 3:13 pm

Swift wrote:Convenience is a euphemism for sloth and avarice.

-Or, is also means those of us who want a close place with great prices so we don't have to spend an extra hour going to some other place (time that can be better spent with family).

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Thu May 25, 2006 3:19 pm

Will someone please think of the children!

People shop at WalMart to spend more time with their kids. I buy that.

-Big E