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I think each successive generation has a progressively shorter attention span.

D'Shawn, once again, Herb built a spectacular home in the country some time ago... on a large tract of land near 168th and State Street. It's not at 68th and State or near an urban center. While many folks in such a situation would likely just sell out to the usual suburban neighborhood developer... Herb, having a development background himself, has had a vision to build something special on his property... retaining his stately home as a centerpiece.

That said, this is a great opportunity to showcase an idea which has yet to come to the Omaha metro. Just perhaps, with Herb's success... we WILL see other similar developments come to locations where YOU'D like to see them.

(I hope Herb doesn't mind... I took a couple of pictures of the wonderful blank canvas surrounding his home :) )

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DTO Luv writes:

“If you want to build a place like this, why not do it next to other similar areas. Heck, do it on 68th and State. I think what you do will be nice but I see it becoming isolated from the developments around it.”

DTO Luv, perhaps you missed a post of mine from several days ago in which I described how my hand has been forced by development all around me such that now I must develop land that I have owned since 1992. I will include part of that earlier post here again now for your review:

“First a situation analysis: my parcel is now completely surrounded by property already developed, being developed or owned by conventional subdivision developers: houses are going in now at Pine Creek to the South, Stratford Park to the west of me at 2.45 lots per gross acre is ready for building to commence, grading is completed and utilities are going in at Hanover Falls to the east of me, and the land to the north is owned by a conventional residential developer.”

“My choices were easily identified: sell out to a conventional subdivision developer, develop the land myself in the conventional way, do nothing and have the largest single family lot in the Omaha area at 2,640' by 2,640', or try to do something better.”

This is why I am not doing the project at 68th and State. I already own this land and have to do something with it now.

I do not know what you mean by the “real thing” but perhaps a bit of clarification is in order.
Much like the fable of the Six Blind Hindus and the Elephant, there are diverse aspects of the New Urbanism:

Greenfields are Traditional Neighborhood Developments or smaller Hamlets on the fringe

Grayfields are redeveloped and/or abandoned shopping centers

Brownfields are redeveloped industrial sites

Additionally the principles which define New Urbanism can also be applied successfully to infill sites (i.e. vacant and/or passed-by) and redevelopment projects (i.e. adaptive reuse of existing construction) within existing urbanized areas. If 160 acres of vacant land were available for development at 68th and State Streets, that would be an infill project. If you know of feasible, well located infill or redevelopment sites, please suggest them to me. I am always looking for a good new project. But right now I am developing the land I have owned for 14 years because I have to, and it is a greenfield project and not one of the other types.

I sense that you lament that my new traditional neighborhood is not a grayfield, brownfield, urban infill or redevelopment project. Nonetheless I assure you that this project, designed by PlaceMakers, one of the country’s pre-eminent new urban master planning and design firms (http://www.PlaceMakers.com), is a TRUE new urbanist greefield traditional neighborhood and that it will be implemented well. It IS the “real thing;” it is just not the type of real thing you would prefer to see.

Let us consider and be guided by the words of one of the founders of The New Urbanism, Andres Duany, Principal, DPZ & Associates, master planning firm of Seaside, FL and the Kentlands in Gaithersburg, MD and a charter member of The Congress for the New Urbanism:
“The sum of human happiness increases because of New Urbanism.”

Yours for ALL types of new urbanist development no matter of which type or where located,

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Like I said before do what you want to do. I don't have any control over you. We don't usually have the chance to speak with someone actually doing a big project. At least you're listening to people's ideas. If you've been on this board for any amount of time you'll know that I have a decidedly urban slant.

Jeff you're probably right about others doing this idea in other areas. The only thing that really bugs me about this is location.
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I don't know about the rest of you - but I have read and learned a lot about new urbanism since this thread was started. Thanks Herb. This has to be the best thread on eOmaha!

Herb, the article by Walter Kulash that you posted bent my mind, so since you have researched and know more about TND's than anyone in Omaha, could you list some resources or websites for further reading?
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DTO Luv wrote: I will say this though. I think of someone started a new town (an actual city not a subdivision) and did a project like this I'd be more for it. Even if it was built next to one of the small towns around Omaha like Springfield or Bennington that already has an old town center, that would be better. That way you could have some sort of a city master plan like when the areas of Minne Lusa or Florence were established.
DTO, this IS next to Bennington, and acts as a small city.

Coyote wrote:I don't know about the rest of you - but I have read and learned a lot about new urbanism since this thread was started. Thanks Herb. This has to be the best thread on eOmaha!

Herb, the article by Walter Kulash that you posted bent my mind, so since you have researched and know more about TND's than anyone in Omaha, could you list some resources or websites for further reading?
Coyote, one of the best books to read about the topic is "Suburban Nation" by Andres Duany, a pre-eminent authority on the New Urbanism that he founded with the development of Seaside, FL (remember the "Truman Show" with Jim Carrey? That was filmed at Seaside)
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Herb, thanks for info and the laughs. I guess I should have labeled it as tradeoffs rather than negatives. My point was that other developers obviously must see some negatives (real or imagined) with this development or they would be doing what you are doing. I guess it could just be habit though. You definitely stated your case for why this is viable. Thanks! The unconverted will get it once your development is built.

I still think the market is much larger than you state. The problem is 1) Omahan's don't know what they don't know. 2) If they were looking for it they haven't had the option to buy new homes in this type of development.

I know people who would move to Dundee in a heartbeat but they prefer new construction so they don't. Too much upkeep (real or imagined) on an old house so I am told.


I second Coyote. Thanks for educating us!
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Coyote,

You actually READ that article by Walter Kulash? VERY impressive.
It will be my pleasure to advance the dialog by providing links to sites of interest to those wishing more information on new ubanism.

Here are some great links to explore:


http://www.cnu.org Congress for the New Urbanism

http://www.newurbanism.org/

http://www.preservenet.com/politics/NewUrb.html A compendium of website links

http://www.cnu.org/about/index.cfm?form ... N=37082289 A PowerPoint presentation on new urbanism:

http://www.charrettecenter.net/charrett ... k=7&gk=294 A seven part series of articles:

http://www.dpz.com This is a rich website of Duany Plater-Zyberk’s firm, the pre-eminent NU master planning firm. Note especially the image library at: http://www.dpz.com/image_table.asp, and the research section at: http://www.dpz.com/research.aspx

http://www.tndtownpaper.com/neighborhoods.htm Links to many TND and NU projects and planning firms

http://www.cnu.org/cnu_reports/Coming_Demand.pdf A good article explaining the demand for NU and TND projects


Yours for the expansion of New Urbanist knowledge,

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Herb,

Love this development. If I ever decide to move west in the future this would be something I'd be interested in. Question I have is are you planning on financing this project privately or forming a SID?
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Welcome to the forum Ace!
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Here are few examples of TND's I've visited and wished Omaha had something like this.

http://hiddensprings.com/
http://www.prospectnewtown.com/
http://www.southmainco.com/
http://eagleranch.com/ This one I've visited several times because my brother used to live there and he built a good number of the homes there.
http://www.thepeninsulaneighborhood.com/
http://www.coburndev.com/projects.php?id=20&i=1
http://www.newlongview.com/live2.htm
http://www.goldenrun.com/homepagebackup.htmlThis has not been built yet but has some nice info on the web site.
http://www.fallbrookusa.com/index.htmlThis is in Lincoln its not a bad neighborhood but could be better.
http://www.lowry.org/index.htm
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Ace asks if I am "planning on financing this project privately or forming a SID?" Ace, that decision has not yet been made, and the time to make it is about nine months from now.

Thank you for your interest in and support of this new traditional neighborhood.

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Im going to have to agree with D'Shawn over this. however I am a proponent of this project. Because it is after all development. And this type sure beats what is usually built.
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MTO

Im going to have to agree with D'Shawn over this. however I am a proponent of this project. Because it is after all development. And this type sure beats what is usually built.
MTO, who is D'Shawn (I do not recognize that name) and what are you agreeing with?

Thanks for your support.

Best Regards,

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DTO, and I more so partially agree with him as its pseudo urban. But I am for it like I said. Many of us urbanites just have to accept that prairie lands will turn into rooftops some day so if its going to happen then something like this out of the box and or in its self different is goo. I hope this may bring a little attention to Omaha in some small way.
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DTO Luv wrote:It's still stupid to me. Here's why.

They said they wanted to build areas like pre-WWII. So even if they do have houses up to the street with garages in the back and on 'alleys', they are still missing one vital componant. Areas like Dundee, Benson, and South Omaha were all connected to other areas with rail.

So this new development may 'look' like South Omaha or Benson but they won't work like the old way used to. It still on 168th and State. People will still have to drive a long ways to work, shop, and other areas for recreation. It's like buying fancy new car with no wheels. It looks nice but does it do it's function? No.
He is agreeing with that statment.
Because its west of 72nd street :lol: Just kidding
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East side till i die
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^ Planning on getting shot over here? ;)
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Brad and All,

Thanks for the info, Brad.

Hey I KNOW . . . How about I just make 1/2 acre lots with great big ol' "snout houses." Oh wait . . . I've been there, done that, bought the T shirt . . .

Let's all meet on my deck some nice evening (I'll buy the wine and the beer) and REALLY debate what I should do. When you see the 25 feet of fill on my east property line and start to wonder where all THAT dirt came from, you too might get a vision to do something a bit different.

heck, folks, with conventional subdivisions ALL around me on every side, my project SHOULD be considered an infil project. THAT should make even D'Shawn love it. <grins at everyone . . . .

Seriously, I would love to have you out the the house to get to know you as individuals. Let me know if this has any appeal.

Yours for wine on the veranda,

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We don't take trips out that far to often but free alcohol....... I'm in. Are we going to need 4-wheel drive and a GPS?
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Very generous offer Herb, I'd like to come check out the land and discuss the your plans. I'm in if everyone agrees to a time.
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That is a great offer Herb! I would be game.
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DTO - This is by my count at least the second time in this thread that Herb has invited you to speak one on one with him in person. You would have to be a fool to pass up this opportunity. How often does someone in real estate development ask to speak directly to you about development concepts and your ideas? What Herb is offering you here is what some of us would refer to as a chance to "network". You obviously have an interest in development and likely some talent and creativity for this sort of thing. So take this opportunity to get involved. You never know, down the road this experience and others could lead to a job or career in the development field. Wouldn't it be nice to go to work for a change to satisfy a passion instead of just to get a paycheck?

P.S. - This goes for everyone on here, a lot of you have good ideas from what I have seen. Now you guys have the chance to open a dialogue with people who have the power to make ideas reality.
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ohhh I am definitely intrigued about the offer. Very cool. Whether I can make it is another story. I hope I can. I will be out of town this weekend and early next week but after that would work for me.
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CapitalGuy wrote:DTO - This is by my count at least the second time in this thread that Herb has invited you to speak one on one with him in person. You would have to be a fool to pass up this opportunity. How often does someone in real estate development ask to speak directly to you about development concepts and your ideas? What Herb is offering you here is what some of us would refer to as a chance to "network". You obviously have an interest in development and likely some talent and creativity for this sort of thing. So take this opportunity to get involved.
I already have. I'm not that stupid. :)
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That's good, hopefully others on here follow your lead and do the same. :wink:
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All,

The new issue of New Urban News is online. Find it here:

http://www.newurbannews.com/

Many articles from prior editions are posted online. Click on "Past Articles."

This is a great resource. If you are interested in New Urbanism and Traditional Neighborhood Development (and who here is not!), you will find this publiciation to be very informative.

Yours for more NU information,

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Thanks. The article about Toronto's attempts to Urbanize their suburban streets is interesting. I think we would likely run into the same problems that they are confronting. How does one improve an already cool area without chasing out the mom and pops that made it cool to begin with.
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This is not idle chatter or utopian day-dreaming. It will work beautifully and people will want to live in such a place.

I love this quote. Funny part is, I'm not sure everybody realizes how true it is.

I for one hope that this becomes the model for suburban development in Omaha(call it what you will, new urban suburban, new suburban, new urban). We must slow the sprawl, and while I will always be partial to infill development in our urban core, I can't immagine a better utilization of the land this will sit on.

Thanks for all the links Herb and Green.
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I think he might be able to sale this style in future. I can just see developers coming into town modeling their stuff after his.
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*MODS*

I think we should change the thread title. Aksarben Village is true new urbanism and it has been planned and public now for several years and is now closer to actual development than ever. AND it's actually IN Omaha.

Just a thought. Not a huge deal.
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If Aksarben Village comprised the entire expanse of Aksarben, included live/work, incorporated public charettes (I don't recall prospective residents ever being publicly solicited for ideas/feedback... this is Noddle's 'vision' exclusively), etc... the types of elements which would make it the building of a true 'community'... I would have considered it true New Urbanism. In my opinion it isn't. Aksarben Village is an exciting development to be sure... but in my opinion, it is only 'urban' to the extent that it appears to be promoting density by eliminating surface parking and placing business/store fronts close to the street. Just because they're tossing in a residential portion on the east edge of the project, in my mind doesn't make it truly mixed use either. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is ultimately going to end up an 'urban' First National Business Park.

I truly believe that Herb is trying to build a -community- first. Again in my opinion, I believe Aksarben Village is a -commercial development- first and foremost (from their website: "featuring office, retail, entertainment... and (oh yeah, we almost forgot) residential spaces".

And please don't take this that I'm not excited about Aksarben Village. I am ecstatic about it... but I just don't consider it true New Urbanism.

... in my opinion... chief moderator. :)
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jhuston wrote:If Aksarben Village comprised the entire expanse of Aksarben, included live/work, incorporated public charettes (I don't recall prospective residents ever being publicly solicited for ideas/feedback... this is Noddle's 'vision' exclusively), etc... the types of elements which would make it the building of a true 'community'... I would have considered it true New Urbanism. In my opinion it isn't. Aksarben Village is an exciting development to be sure... but in my opinion, it is only 'urban' to the extent that it appears to be promoting density by eliminating surface parking and placing business/store fronts close to the street. Just because they're tossing in a residential portion on the east edge of the project, in my mind doesn't make it truly mixed use either. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is ultimately going to end up an 'urban' First National Business Park.
HDR and UDA, both of whom are first rate designers and planners of New Urbanist projects, had a say in the evolution of the Aksarben project. Adhering to a strict set of design guidelines is what elevates this project to that status. HDR had a charrette regarding the property in 2002 which first laid the groundwork for the ultimate vision. This IS a mixed use project, with office space above the retail and restaurants.
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A public charette? or a charette amongst the Knights of Aksarben movers and shakers and Noddle principals?

Also, let's see some RESIDENTIAL over those retail/restaurant storefronts. Let's see some live/work elements as well. Let's see the project built around a town square... rather than just including some token greenspace. There's so much more to New Urbanism than density and 'mixed use'.

Again, I think it's a great project... I just don't consider it New Urbanism... in my opinion.
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This is a great article on the upsurge in the Not-So-Big House, embodied in the Katrina Cottage.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1002/p01s01-ussc.html

The not-so-big house is one answer to housing affordability. These small houses are made affordable by virtue of their small size and not because of inferior materials or construction techniques. They can be added on to as the owner's financial condition changes. And when you think of the ancillary dwelling unit, think of a Katrina Cottage over a garage and you will get the idea immediately. These are very flexible and offer many different live and work options. They can be occupied by the teenager or college student or bounce-back kid, by the mother-in-law (aka "granny"), by whole family (an entertainment, media room), by guests, or by the home business. They can be rented out for rents that by all reports exceed the amount of mortgage payment necessary amortize the added loan used to build them. These types of "not-so-big houses" are one way the new traditional neighborhood achieves higher densities. You can look for ancillary dwelling units throughout community as well as small houses in the bungalow courts in the new traditional neighborhood on State Street.


Yours for the not-so-big house,

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I know someone who is looking for something along these lines because as the article says - "an interest by some Americans in downsizing their habitats"

Thanks for sharing this article Herb.
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Thanks, Coyote.

If you liked that article you may just LUV this one . . . (D'Shawn are you with me on this?) <grins

http://www.cnu.org/news/index.cfm?formA ... KEN=640623

Yours for housing affordability,

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"the captivating alternative to a bare-bones FEMA trailer"

Nice! Good for Miss. also!
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Take my condo out of the Rorick and you have one of those houses. It's can still be very nice and appealing.
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well if you want to be unique you could always go with the shipping container housing. There are a lot of them just north of the Qwest and south of Locust -- start a new community right there.

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