almighty_tuna wrote:Are you saying that the harder I labor, the less green I become? Holy |expletive|!! I'm going to park it on the couch and save the earth!freedomfighter wrote:The alternative energies often end up being far more dirty because they are labor intensive.
Yeah its called conservation. Turn off lights, unplug appliances, switch off TVs/computers when you're not using them. Its pretty much common sense.Better yet, become a caveman and unplug the electricity from your house!
On a VERY small scale. Remember the United States daily oil demand is around 22 million barrels. Making a test tube of oil in a lab is not going to make a dent in this demand. The technology to use this on a large scale is a long way off, and will probably not be feasible or efficient.Oil is fare more infinite than the alternatives. In fact, oil is renewable. See http://www.ls9.com/technology/
Not sure where your logic is on this one. I would much rather pay the upfront cost to build alternative energies (wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric) and their relatively small upkeep costs than continue paying for oil, either importing or drilling right here. And continue having to pay for it, wind doesn't run out, oil does, so drilling will constantly have to be on the move.If drilling for oil is not the answer what is? Alternative energy is not cost efficient or effective.
Labor intensive = dirty? Building a windmill does not even compare to building an oil platform and then BURNING that oil for fuel. In my mind, labor intensive is good. More labor = more jobs = better economy.The alternative energies often end up being far more dirty because they are labor intensive.
And what do you think the information you are presenting is? Propaganda works on both sides. Its an effective means of gathering support behind a movement, either to drill or not to drill. You are guilty of what you are condemning.That's a bunch of huff and puff propaganda.
This is false. Within 18 months, new oil can be brought to market if we drilled now.omahastylee459 wrote:First off the title of this thread should be changed to "Drilling for oil" and should have nothing to do with gas prices. You should know that drilling for oil domestically will not change gas prices in the slightest. Not now, not 10 years from now.
.
Laugh all you want but it will, just as it has in the past.the1wags wrote:You honestly believe that any additional domestic drilled oil is going to lower prices? :lol:
You do that, keep fighting nature, and we will see how nature fights us. You may not believe in global warming, but I guarantee you the earth will always have a way of going back to equilibrium. I for one would rather not see that force.joeglow wrote:When it is nature versus man, I will choose man EVERY time.
I've always told people not to wave the "Save the Earth" banner.omahastylee459 wrote:You do that, keep fighting nature, and we will see how nature fights us. You may not believe in global warming, but I guarantee you the earth will always have a way of going back to equilibrium. I for one would rather not see that force.joeglow wrote:When it is nature versus man, I will choose man EVERY time.
Actually, drilling would drop the price very quickly. What is driving it up, is the lack of resources aimed at getting more oil.Twiztid1 wrote:Our future is scary. But hopefully this will all serve as a huge reality check for Americans. Except people are going to struggle when they can't find a dealership willing to take their SUV. The entire federal government (including past members) are to blame for this mess. It just drives me nuts that Bush and other republicans are so obsessed with drilling in America and expanding refining capacity. That fails to solve anything in the short term and neglects America's long term future. This is a great time to start catching our technology up to where it should have been years ago. I just wish I was smart enough to invent something.
Absolutely not, at least on 13th Street. Must just be the high cost of living on 13th and Vinton. :;):Uffda wrote:I forgot to look today --- did the price of gas drop at least 20 cents today because of the record fall yesterday?
Its not about price gouging or monopolies, unless you want to talk about government owned entities in foreign countries. Here is why the oil and gas prices keep going up. We refuse to compete in oil production. This means China is will to invest in Sudan to get oil and is willing to pay a premium price and will ignore what is happen in the Darfur province of Sudan.thenewguy wrote:what i don't understand is how this can go on? If there is any other issue that deals with monopolies or large corporations gouging the general population (like now), the government steps in to help control the situation. But not now. They say they are doing 'investigations' to figure out why the oil companies are making record profits, but it's not enough. I cannot understand, at all, how the price can jump like this when there is no national crisis (i.e. what they said when Katrina hit and wiped out refineries in Louisiana), no terrorist attack (like when gas jumped after 9/11), no shortage (OPEC said that production is steady, and there is in fact, no shortage), so what gives? When Rockefeller started Standard Oil Company back in the late 19TH century, it was broken up in 1911 because of 'monopolistic practices'. I understand that the United States Government doesn't have the authority to do anything like that with a non-American entity that resides over seas, but why couldn't we put tariffs on goods exported to that region to see if they'd lower the costs a bit? Why not have real talks with them and go to bat for the American people? To me, it seems like a bunch of b.s. and a way to kiss the public's collective |expletive|, while actually doing nothing at all (so that those with their hands in the oil cookie jar are not affected).
adam186 wrote:^Hillarious.
Seriously though, this mentality of drilling is the answer is just wrong and losing ground quickly. With such a sudden spike in oil prices just prove how dependent we are on the stuff and shows how quickly it can effect our lives in every way.
Wind, Soil, Bio, Geothermal, etc are way more renewable than oil. And with recent breakthroughs in renewable energy technologies it is becoming more cost effective as well. If the United States suddenly subsidizes windpower, for example, on a massive scale wouldn't that lower the cost efficiency on scales of economy alone.
I'm all for the PICKENS PLAN, but also believe we do need to "some" drilling here in the states. Petro products are used in almost everything in the world. We need a comprehensive plan....including conservation and efficiency.
http://www.newser.com/story/35408/small ... l-oil.htmlA surprisingly small group of investors and oil traders control the vast majority of the world’s oil contracts, and they are exerting tremendous influence over the market, reports the Washington Post. Regulators have found that a few financial firms speculating for themselves or their clients hold 81% of the oil contracts on NYMEX—a far bigger share than had been previously reported. A single Swiss firm was found to hold as much as 11% of the contracts in July.
PICKENS PLAN??? Is that what they are calling it now? The same man who owns prime property and equipment for windmills, but is just waiting for the US government to build all his transmission lines so he can make a killing (kind of like the immediate family of a certain politician hopeful challenging for a certain Omaha House seat)?adam186 wrote: I'm all for the PICKENS PLAN, but also believe we do need to "some" drilling here in the states. Petro products are used in almost everything in the world. We need a comprehensive plan....including conservation and efficiency.
-I tell you what I do KNOW. This year has been the coolest in at least 5 years. The Arctic ice cap is bigger than it has been in a long time. However, once Global Warming realized this WOULD happen, they conveniently changed it to "Global Climate Change." heck, how can you argue with that. If the worldwide temp. fluctuates by a tenth of a degree either way, you can say "See. I TOLD you." Thus, you need to get the updated talking points and quit calling it global warming.omahastylee459 wrote:You do that, keep fighting nature, and we will see how nature fights us. You may not believe in global warming, but I guarantee you the earth will always have a way of going back to equilibrium. I for one would rather not see that force.joeglow wrote:When it is nature versus man, I will choose man EVERY time.
Arctic ice cap still at risk: NASA
Mar 18, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The polar ice cap over the Arctic Ocean was slightly bigger last month than in February of last year due to a harsher winter, but the ice sheet is still shrinking overall, NASA said Tuesday.
"The area of perennial ice decreased," he said in his report of measurements of the polar ice caps taken by NASA's ICESat satellite.
The polar ice cap consists of seasonal ice that expands and shrinks with winter and summer, and perennial ice that never melts.
Meier said perennial ice was "an indicator of the long-term health of the ice," adding that "it's not looking very good."
As if the oil companies are only in it to fund their humanitarian efforts.So much for this assertion, where are you getting your facts???joeglow wrote: The Arctic ice cap is bigger than it has been in a long time. However, once Global Warming realized this WOULD happen, they conveniently changed it to "Global Climate Change." heck, how can you argue with that. If the worldwide temp. fluctuates by a tenth of a degree either way, you can say "See. I TOLD you." Thus, you need to get the updated talking points and quit calling it global warming.
:shock: :shock: Uffda wrote:So after 4 days gas, I noticed on my way to work that gas had finally dropped 10 cents after jumping up 20 cents over night. On the way home 10 hours later i see the price has jumped back up 10 cents -- so I checked the news --- Oil went up a whole $1.88 a barrel because of FEAR that Hurrican Gustav MIGHT do something.
sounds like FEAR Speculating to me.
However, don't expect this to affect the price of oil or the price at the pump. That will continue to fluctuate indiscriminately for no |expletive| reason whatsoever.CNN.com wrote:With Tropical Storm Gustav setting its sights on the Gulf of Mexico, oil facilities in the region are facing their first major threat since 2005, when Hurricanes Rita and Katrina knocked out nearly every barrel of oil production and sent prices soaring to then-record levels.
But this time around, if Gustav intensifies and heads into the Gulf as expected, experts say reinforcements have made production far less vulnerable than it was three years ago.
Drilling rigs and production platforms moored to sea floor in the Gulf had been attached with eight lines, and are now required to be moored with 12 to 16 lines.
New rigs were built higher above the water, and old rigs were strengthened, according to Andy Radford, a policy advisor at the American Petroleum Institute.
And pipelines, which carry most of the oil and gas from the production platforms to the shore, now have to be buried deeper beneath the sea floor, said Barbara Shook, a Houston-based analyst with the Energy Intelligence Group.
"The industry is probably in the best shape it's ever been in because of what they've learned over the last few years," said Shook.
OK - how long before gas drops from $3.59 back to $3.44?Oil prices tumbled to $111 a barrel Monday as Hurricane Gustav weakened along the Gulf Coast and posed less of a threat to oil drilling and refining operations. A stronger dollar also helped send oil lower after crude gained nearly $3 to trade above $118 a barrel in anticipation of Gustav's hitting Louisiana.
It may be a while, when prices fall is when retailers make their cash grab, they won't lower it until their competitors start lowering theirs.Coyote wrote:OK - how long before gas drops from $3.59 back to $3.44?Oil prices tumbled to $111 a barrel Monday as Hurricane Gustav weakened along the Gulf Coast and posed less of a threat to oil drilling and refining operations. A stronger dollar also helped send oil lower after crude gained nearly $3 to trade above $118 a barrel in anticipation of Gustav's hitting Louisiana.
LOL, you're dreaming. Maybe by the end of the month if the hurricane situation settles down and nothing else happens. I do expect gas prices to be below $3/gal come election time though.Big E wrote:Based on the $7 drop in today's oil trading (at one point $10 off Friday's close), I'm expecting gas to be $3.35 or so by the time I head home. No later than tomorrow morning, right?
But but but but but I thought the only thing that affected the price of gasoline was the free market, ie supply and demand and the cost of raw materials. And since the demand for oil didn't change since last night but the cost of oil dropped 6%, the price of gasoline should drop 6%, too, right? I mean, that's what I've been told.Bugeater wrote:LOL, you're dreaming.
Don't even kid about a thing like that! He IS real!Big E wrote: Next you're going to tell me Santa isn't real.
