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Athomsfere wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:15 am
Garrett wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:29 pm
Louie wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:33 pm Woah when did 2 years get tacked on to the start date?
To me the question reads as opening. Start time is such a vague question. Start what? Construction or operation? But the 'still' to me implies operation.
I saw it as the questions were over and Jay was just on auto-pilot when that question came out. But it made me chuckle.
2026 is the completion year for the streetcar line, as is the completion year for the Mutual of Omaha skyscraper..

None of those timelines have changed since both projects were announced in January. The only thing that has changed thus far, is a 2 month earlier demolition of the W Dale Clark..which would/could mean an earlier start date for prep work and groundbreaking of the skyscraper project…

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November 14th agenda can be found here: https://www.cityofomaha.org/images/pdf/ ... _FINAL.pdf

Some items of note:
- The Board will discuss joining Portland, OR, and possibly a couple other unnamed cities, in a joint purchase of streetcar vehicles. Omaha would be purchasing 6, Portland 11, and other cities the remainder of about 25.
- Maintenance facility location is proposed to be at 8th and Capitol, MECA controlled land. It's barren and under I-480, so better use of the property than what it is today.
- RFQ responses for construction are due today.
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Thanks for the update. I know this is a long process, but it is nice to hear the continued effort, there have been so many other projects that I get excited about and then get cancelled with little or no word. So this is great to see the ball moving.
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So how many ended up going to this? I know I got some good info that I was looking for...
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Athomsfere wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:29 am So how many ended up going to this? I know I got some good info that I was looking for...
Are you talking about the bike/ped plan meetings? I missed them. Are you hopeful after seeing their plans?
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State of the City: Council Bluffs looking to expand
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Council Bluffs Mayor Matt Walsh gave his "State of the City" address, noting the recovery of tourism, investment into the community and the city's future.

The city wants to expand, and the mayor has his eye on Omaha's streetcar.

While Omaha looks to improve the downtown area, Council Bluffs is planning a change of its own.

With the help of the street car planned in Omaha, Council Bluffs is working in partnership to bring it across the river.

Mayor Matt Walsh said the streetcar would meet at Dodge Park Golf Course, and travel down First Avenue until it hits West Broadway.

He said it would connect parts of the city many consider "forgotten."

"It was an old railroad road line and we put in the bike trail... go down and look at the bike trail. The stops, 31st, 30th or 35th, 28th, 20th, 22nd, 20th, 19th and 16th –take a look at them. They look like streetcar stops because they are," Walsh said.
According to the reporter, the CB streetcar extension would be subsidized by federal grants and selling off Dodge Park Golf Course. Mayor Walsh said a local developer (sounds like Noddle), says the golf course is valued at $52 million.
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ita wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:35 am
Athomsfere wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:29 am So how many ended up going to this? I know I got some good info that I was looking for...
Are you talking about the bike/ped plan meetings? I missed them. Are you hopeful after seeing their plans?
At least some good indicators. Primarily the contractors have at least some international presence. Which is one thing I was hoping for. I don't want us to build a city where HAWK signals are considered a good design...

Outside of that, I was told a few times there isn't really a plan yet. We are more looking for input still.

Overall warm and fuzzy rating is currently at like a 5/10.
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ita wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:42 am State of the City: Council Bluffs looking to expand
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Council Bluffs Mayor Matt Walsh gave his "State of the City" address, noting the recovery of tourism, investment into the community and the city's future.

The city wants to expand, and the mayor has his eye on Omaha's streetcar.

While Omaha looks to improve the downtown area, Council Bluffs is planning a change of its own.

With the help of the street car planned in Omaha, Council Bluffs is working in partnership to bring it across the river.

Mayor Matt Walsh said the streetcar would meet at Dodge Park Golf Course, and travel down First Avenue until it hits West Broadway.

He said it would connect parts of the city many consider "forgotten."

"It was an old railroad road line and we put in the bike trail... go down and look at the bike trail. The stops, 31st, 30th or 35th, 28th, 20th, 22nd, 20th, 19th and 16th –take a look at them. They look like streetcar stops because they are," Walsh said.
According to the reporter, the CB streetcar extension would be subsidized by federal grants and selling off Dodge Park Golf Course. Mayor Walsh said a local developer (sounds like Noddle), says the golf course is valued at $52 million.
I’m really optimistic about this, and would be super excited to see some good urban development happening in CB.
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Garrett wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:32 pm I’m really optimistic about this, and would be super excited to see some good urban development happening in CB.
I agree. Dodge Park alone is a huge development opportunity and coupled with development opportunities in the First Ave, Council Bluffs could actually see meaningful population and tax base growth.

I love the ambition, and by all accounts, CB has been taking necessary steps, at least in the early exploration stage, to get the streetcar over the river and through the (woods) First Ave corridor. If Omaha stays on track, maybe we see the extension into CB started by 2030? That's what I am hoping for.
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ita wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:19 pm
Garrett wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:32 pm I’m really optimistic about this, and would be super excited to see some good urban development happening in CB.
I agree. Dodge Park alone is a huge development opportunity and coupled with development opportunities in the First Ave, Council Bluffs could actually see meaningful population and tax base growth.

I love the ambition, and by all accounts, CB has been taking necessary steps, at least in the early exploration stage, to get the streetcar over the river and through the (woods) First Ave corridor. If Omaha stays on track, maybe we see the extension into CB started by 2030? That's what I am hoping for.
Or even opened by 2030, which how ambitious they seem to be setting their timeline
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Omaha streetcar bond proposal headed to City Council
Plans for a streetcar system come to a head for the Omaha City Council on Tuesday.


Plans for a streetcar system come to a head for the Omaha City Council on Tuesday. The council will be getting its first official look at the $360 million plan on Tuesday. No action will be taken because the public still needs to get their chance to comment on the plans. Because of Thanksgiving, that public hearing won't take place until Dec. 6. The city council will then vote on it a week later on Dec. 13. The vote would give the city the power to eventually issue $360 million in bonds to pay for the streetcar project. Omaha Mayor Jean Stothert has said she expects the bonding to be paid for with taxes created by businesses developed along the route, not by raising property taxes on Omahans.
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Omaha City Council to address streetcar plans

The public will be able to give input at meetings set for December.
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^ This is pretty much the final hurdle, correct?
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Louie wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:41 am ^ This is pretty much the final hurdle, correct?
I think it's not expected to be much of a hurdle. But the last major hurdle I do believe.
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Athomsfere wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:54 am
Louie wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:41 am ^ This is pretty much the final hurdle, correct?
I think it's not expected to be much of a hurdle. But the last major hurdle I do believe.
Don't underestimate the power of Omaha citizens to fight the streetcar, tooth and nail.
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Analysis of Omaha streetcar financial plan predicts development will cover project cost
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For 10 months, Omaha city officials have laid the bureaucratic track needed to move a streetcar project forward, but it wasn't until late last week that a third-party analysis confirmed the streetcar's financial plan is viable —a major step toward breaking ground on the ambitious project.

The analysis, reviewed by The World-Herald, appears to support what city administrators have predicted from the beginning: If all goes as planned, development spurred by the streetcar should more than cover the cost of paying off the $306 million project.

Since March, independent consulting firm MuniCap has worked to analyze the city’s financial plan. The group’s 311-page report was shared with City Council members Friday evening, just days before a public hearing on the issuance of bonds to pay for the streetcar project.

MuniCap’s analysis leans heavily on assumptions, including estimates of future property values, the rate of tax credits, the strength of Omaha’s economy and little change in zoning laws.
Ultimately, the analysis concludes that the financing should work out.

Also,
City Council members in past months have approved significant steps to move the streetcar forward, but many of those decisions were made with an assurance from city administrators that there were still "exit ramps" council members could take on the project.

The vote on the issuance of bonds is likely the last significant chance council members would have to tap the brakes.
So, for all you fellow streetcar stans, after next week's vote we should be home free. Choo choo!
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Lets hope that everything is smooth sailing, I think most of us on here have been waiting for this for decades.
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Construction of streetcar brings concerns of water rate increase from Metropolitan Utilities District
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The Metropolitan Utilities District raised concerns to Omaha City Council members Tuesday on a potential increase in water rates due to the construction of a planned streetcar project.

Omaha City Council members heard from the utilities district during a public hearing on the issuance of bonds to fund the streetcar project.

Approval of the bonds, which council members will vote on next week, would be a major step toward breaking ground on the project. It may also compel MUD to contribute up to $20 million in costs of moving or replacing water mains.

“The math doesn’t work,” said Mark Mendenhall, senior vice president and general counsel with MUD’s Board of Directors.
A possible hurdle brought up by MUD, but doesn't sound insurmountable. If customers covers the cost, it would be an 18% increase in water and 6% on gas. City and MUD is working it out. City is offering to pay $5M, MUD would spend $5M from reserves and City would issue bonds for MUD to repay on the rest. MUD wants the shortfall to be part of the streetcar budget. Either would work. Other than this, doesn't seem like the public hearing had anything that would stop city council from approving the bond issuances.
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This is a DONE deal. I will wait on calling it a success.
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S.O.Boy wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:43 pm This is a DONE deal.
This statement I completely agree with…

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While I like the idea of a streetcar the use of TIF has got out of hand. TIF is to encourage development with future tax revenues going back to the city. The extension from 15 to 20 years for existing agreements is taking those years of tax dollars to use for a specific project. These existing developments are already built and I see zero benefit.

I hate to say it but another tax seems to be a better fit. A city, state, district, restaurant and streetcar tax on dining would not go over very well.

The three blocks also seems a little excessive.
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Don't hate me but I am not crazy about the streetcar deal. Too much Bond money for too long. The success in other northern cities is very concerning. I am all for a trolley. The amount of utilities that will need moved id crazy. My uneducated guess is at least 1 year just to relocate utilities. What is wrong with a rubber tire system with traffic control abilities and a dedicated lane?
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orangeboots wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:16 am Don't hate me but I am not crazy about the streetcar deal. Too much Bond money for too long. The success in other northern cities is very concerning. I am all for a trolley. The amount of utilities that will need moved id crazy. My uneducated guess is at least 1 year just to relocate utilities. What is wrong with a rubber tire system with traffic control abilities and a dedicated lane?
It doesn't have the same economic development potential. That's what the streetcar brings (hopefully) in spades. Additionally, the streetcar, for Omaha specifically, is being done in conjunction with the new MoO development and UNMC NExT project. I think both need the streetcar due to parking and availability of land issues. MoO's worth $600M and UNMC NExT is possibly upward to $3B.
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Maybe use the rubber tire version until the NExT project is funded. That is a lot of money on hopes.
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orangeboots wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:40 pm Maybe use the rubber tire version until the NExT project is funded. That is a lot of money on hopes.
They only remain hopes without the streetcar.
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ita wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:07 pm
orangeboots wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:40 pm Maybe use the rubber tire version until the NExT project is funded. That is a lot of money on hopes.
They only remain hopes without the streetcar.
The streetcar is a key component to the development of the Mutual of Omaha Tower ($600 million development) and the NExT plan along SaddleCreek (Upwards of $3 Billion in development PLUS).. The construction of the streetcar is seen as a key “driver” for not only those 2 HUGE developments in the Omaha core, but also in helping to spur additional residential and amenity development between the Riverfront to SaddleCreek road…without the streetcar, it’s like building the internals of an automobile, without giving it a body to hold everything together..

The streetcar is the straw that stirs the drink..and really, at this point, unless an actual cow jumps over our actual Moon, it’s a done deal…

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orangeboots wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:16 am What is wrong with a rubber tire system
You mean like Orbt, which is 2 blocks away?
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orangeboots wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:16 am What is wrong with a rubber tire system with traffic control abilities and a dedicated lane?
The cliff notes is that if you build a permanent system, it will encourage development (i.e. new tower construction). Rubber tire just means the next administration can cancel/move/negatively adjust the bus service, and nobody will commit tens of millions of dollars for a tower that loses bus service depending on the political winds of day. Think back to the 1800's. The places with train station flourished, the wagon stops (Horse & Go?), not so much.
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I think most of us here are in agreement that the Streetcar proposal for Omaha is a done deal; and the latest water issue concern is something the city and MUD will work out. There is waaay too much at stake at this point for any road block halting the street car..

That said-

I don’t say this often, but right now, I’d be shocked if there was a boondoggle which halted the progress/construction and timeline of this proposed streetcar line…

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I understand the issues MUD is bringing up but I hate how they release a statement saying rates are going up to customers and then state that if the streetcar is built the numbers are going to increase again due to costs MUD is going to incur for moving utility lines. I hate how they try to put blame or pass off another raise in rates that they probably already have in mind by blaming the streetcar.

Hopefully this can get worked out quickly and doesn't hinder the streetcar development. I know the mayor has stated that they are wiling to work with MUD on using some of the streetcar funds for it.
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December 7, 2022 update from the City (https://www.cityofomaha.org/omaha-streetcar):
December 7, 2022

The Omaha City Council will vote next week on a pair of ordinances to authorize the sale of bonds to pay for the construction of the streetcar.

The City plans to use revenue generated by Tax Increment Financing (TIF) from development within a roughly six-block distance along the streetcar route to pay the bond debt. A comprehensive review of the financing plan, recently completed by Municap, shows TIF revenue will exceed the initial estimates and provide more than enough money to proceed with the streetcar project, estimated at $306 million. Municap is a public finance consulting firm, hired to provide an independent analysis of the financing plan. Omaha Modern Streetcar--Preliminary Findings Report

“The extensive and thorough Municap review not only validates our revenue projections of approximately $534 million, it increases the amount to approximately $608 million,” said Mayor Jean Stothert, asking councilmembers to approve the bond ordinances at the next meeting on December 13.

“This is more than ample to finance the streetcar,” said Finance Director Steve Curtiss.

Future development in the streetcar TIF District will conservatively generate $3.2 billion over the next 15 years, according to a conservative estimate from HDR. In an even more conservative approach, Municap based its projection on only 60% of the HDR estimate. “It’s reasonable then to expect that development in the district will actually generate $1 billion dollars in TIF revenue,” said Mayor Stothert.

Two types of bonds are being considered to finance the streetcar project, redevelopment bonds, and lease-purchase bonds, both would be fully paid with revenue from the TIF district.

“Lease-purchase bonds will not raise taxes and would actually save the city money, which is our responsibility, to be fiscally conservative,” said Mayor Stothert. Lease purchase bonds would have a lower interest rate.

Other supporters of the streetcar project testified at the public hearing including former Mayor Hal Daub, Chairman of the Greater Omaha Chamber’s Urban Core Committee and OPPD President Javier Fernandez, Omaha Streetcar Authority Chairman Jay Noddle, Omaha by Design Executive Director Scott Dobbe, Greater Omaha Chamber President Veta Jeffrey, and developers Jason Fisher, John Lund and Jay Lund, the developer of the successful Blackstone District.

“Private investment follows public investment,” said Jay Lund. “To me, this idea has always been very simple. Much like the other visionary and courageous projects downtown, FNBO Tower, CHI Center, U.P., Schwab Field, the Holland Center, and most recently, the RiverFront, Steelhouse, and Kiewit Luminarium, none of these projects had to happen but they did because of vision and leadership and the belief that Omaha can be more. The streetcar would be another addition to this list, further solidifying Omaha as a first-class city.”

“I can acknowledge that some may be more comfortable with the city as we are today, but I would suggest that leadership requires that we build not just for the city we are today but for the city we are on the path to becoming and that’s a city that’s more diverse, inclusive and vibrant, more sustainable both environmentally and fiscally, accessible, safe and easy to navigate,” said Dobbe. “Omaha by Design supports the streetcar because it is a bold move and a wise measured investment.”

Last month, Moody's Investors Services and S & P Global both reaffirmed the City’s high bond ratings.
S & P described Omaha’s strong business growth and “robust development pipeline”, specifically highlighting Mutual of Omaha’s new downtown headquarters and the University of Nebraska Medical Center’s Project Next. The two projects bookend the streetcar route and the combined value of these two developments alone is $3.2 billion.

“It is important for our community and region to act now and follow the recommendations identified in the Urban Core strategic plan in an efficient and effective manner,” said Fernandez. “The Omaha streetcar project will do just that and I urge you to approve the proposed bond issues so the city can stay on schedule, meet its commitments with the various development agreements already approved by this council, and set the stage for the prosperous and vibrant urban core our city and state deserves.”

At the Tuesday City Council meeting, MUD testified that it will raise gas and water rates to pay for moving water and gas lines along the streetcar route during construction. “MUD does not need to raise rates due to the streetcar,” said Mayor Stothert.

Many of MUD’s lines in the urban core are 100-plus years old and will need to be replaced with or without the streetcar. Omaha Public Works records show approximately 73 main breaks have occurred in the urban core in the last five years.

MUD testified that the total cost of replacement along the streetcar route is in excess of $20 million, yet MUD has not provided any documentation to validate that estimate. Three years ago, MUD estimated a much lower cost, between $7.7 and $9 million.

The City has offered MUD a viable proposal to replace its aging infrastructure along the streetcar route during construction. Included in the proposal:

MUD would spend $4.9 million already held in their reserves for work along the corridor.

The City would contribute $5 million in project costs to cover replacement costs of the newer lines along the route.

The City would issue bonds for the remainder of the costs. MUD would repay the city over a period of time that would be mutually agreed upon.
Repayment of the bonds would not start any sooner than 2025, eliminating the need for a rate increase specifically for the streetcar, and allowing MUD to accelerate its replacement program in the urban core, and save money.

The Mayor, Finance and Public Works directors, and City Attorney are asking MUD to work together to reach an agreement that will not result in a rate increase.

“The financial health of our city relies on continued growth and the streetcar is another tool to support strong development,” said Mayor Stothert.
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Today, OSA meets to discuss a few things. HDR was the only firm to submit a proposal for design. "Kiewit (with Mass Electric and Stacy and Witbeck) and Omaha Streetcar Contractors (Herzog and Ames Construction Joint Venture)" submitted proposals to be general contractor. That will not be chosen until after review and interviews, sometime in February. Report on the joint procurement of vehicles with Portland will be discussed January. Next meeting is 1/23/23.
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ita wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:26 am Today, OSA meets to discuss a few things. HDR was the only firm to submit a proposal for design. "Kiewit (with Mass Electric and Stacy and Witbeck) and Omaha Streetcar Contractors (Herzog and Ames Construction Joint Venture)" submitted proposals to be general contractor. That will not be chosen until after review and interviews, sometime in February. Report on the joint procurement of vehicles with Portland will be discussed January. Next meeting is 1/23/23.
Whoever they pick, I hope they have a strong record of getting done on time and on budget. Being a "novelty" in the metro, meeting those could easily set the tone for expansions in the future.
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Athomsfere wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:56 am
ita wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:26 am Today, OSA meets to discuss a few things. HDR was the only firm to submit a proposal for design. "Kiewit (with Mass Electric and Stacy and Witbeck) and Omaha Streetcar Contractors (Herzog and Ames Construction Joint Venture)" submitted proposals to be general contractor. That will not be chosen until after review and interviews, sometime in February. Report on the joint procurement of vehicles with Portland will be discussed January. Next meeting is 1/23/23.
Whoever they pick, I hope they have a strong record of getting done on time and on budget. Being a "novelty" in the metro, meeting those could easily set the tone for expansions in the future.
Here's links to the 4 identified construction companies from the two groups. I would think since Kiewit is local, the city would go with their group, but the other group has good light rail and streetcar experience, with Herzog being a part of both the OKC and KC streetcar projects.

Mass Electric
Stacy and Witbeck

Ames Construction
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Anyone know when the meeting is or when we will hear the news if the bonds got approved
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skinzfan23 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:13 pm Anyone know when the meeting is or when we will hear the news if the bonds got approved
Today at 2:00 PM (see item 57): https://cityclerk.cityofomaha.org/image ... 12-13a.pdf
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can't wait to hear what they decide..
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thenewguy wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:51 pm can't wait to hear what they decide..
I just checked in. They are discussing it right now. Ms. Johnson is looking like a no. She wants more transit in North and South Omaha. Bus shelters among other things.
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What does the voting need to be, majority?
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skinzfan23 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:26 pm What does the voting need to be, majority?
Majority. From what I can tell, Festersen, Palermo, Harding are yes's. I haven't heard Rowe or Melton yet. Begley has been mum, but looks like a yes.