MadMartin8 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:43 pm
So, if that was true we'd have, so far:
-A Carwash
-2 office buildings that, in all likelihood, will be run of the mill non descript office buildings you find anywhere along west dodge
-a huge parking garage for those 2 buildings
-a car dealership...sorry, a 'fancy' car dealership
-a datacenter.
Interesting start.
Yep. Total fail. Im feeling the market is softer than they expected.
Stakeholders and sellers seem to have been sold a sack of poo.
Heritage preserve? Did you pull that out of the "west omaha development" name generator? Was "shadow hills pointe crossing" already taken?
Im guessing dropping the "farm" means the dairy barn, wood and silo are off to the scrapper...as they werent featured in the updated renderings.
Louie wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 am
It’s unfortunate, but there is definitely a stigma about the bus as well as people’s egos refusing to allow them to ride it.
Don't get it. This phenomenon only seems to exist within our immediate region (us and our neighboring cities, though KC seems to have gone a long way toward shedding it). ORBT should help make it cool and acceptable ride the bus. But yeah that ego thing...
bigredmed1 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am
If you live on 120th street (not exactly far west Omaha at this point), you have very little bus service outside of a small strip between L and Q streets.
There used to be an express route on Pacific that apparently was scrapped after many years of service because people stopped using it. I could see it being resurrected if more people ride the 92 and 94. Would you ride a hypothetical bus that ran from this development to downtown via Pacific, 680, and Dodge with a stop at 42nd & Dodge? Or there has been talk of extending route 11 west onto Pacific, which would give you another viable work option. Problem is they risk spending taxpayer dollars when their effort may realistically incite just another scoff by someone watching an empty bus roll down the street. It takes effort by citizens to make the bus work for them too.
Is that healthy for a city? Serious question. We as a community need to start thinking about these things.
It isn't. Not at this level. Having secondary business centers around the city is generally fine so long as the central business district remains central. Omaha's isn't really that central.
Omaha's downtown hasn't exactly been the CBD for quite some time though. The denser the suburbs get with these developments, the more feasible public transportation will be in the long term.
It is really past time that we start to think of down town Omaha as a neighborhood like Benson or Millard, and not as some central anchor to the city. Work to make it a functional business environment and a functional living location for middle class people with families.
Milwaukee's CBD is on the extreme east end of town but that hasn't seemed to stop it....
Milwaukee, Chicago and other Great Lake cities are also older cities that developed evenly in all directions, the lake being an exception. Because of Omaha’s geography it has predominately sprawled west/southwest. If northern development and development in Iowa were stronger, downtown would be a lot stronger.
Louie wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 am
It’s unfortunate, but there is definitely a stigma about the bus as well as people’s egos refusing to allow them to ride it.
Have you ridden the bus?
I tried the bus. Both the express and the yellow dodge st local. Decided that my time, not smelling upset, my hearing, not having to deal with whatever crackhead decided to board without fare was worth at least that to me.
By the time omaha figures it out, automated ubers will already be taking this crowd around.
Louie wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 am
It’s unfortunate, but there is definitely a stigma about the bus as well as people’s egos refusing to allow them to ride it.
Have you ridden the bus?
I tried the bus. Both the express and the yellow dodge st local. Decided that my time, not smelling upset, my hearing, not having to deal with whatever crackhead decided to board without fare was worth at least that to me.
By the time omaha figures it out, automated ubers will already be taking this crowd around.
bigredmed1 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am
If you live on 120th street (not exactly far west Omaha at this point), you have very little bus service outside of a small strip between L and Q streets.
There used to be an express route on Pacific that apparently was scrapped after many years of service because people stopped using it. I could see it being resurrected if more people ride the 92 and 94. Would you ride a hypothetical bus that ran from this development to downtown via Pacific, 680, and Dodge with a stop at 42nd & Dodge? Or there has been talk of extending route 11 west onto Pacific, which would give you another viable work option. Problem is they risk spending taxpayer dollars when their effort may realistically incite just another scoff by someone watching an empty bus roll down the street. It takes effort by citizens to make the bus work for them too.
It would take me a lot of effort/time to take the bus on a normal workday - a 1/2 mile walk to the stop, picked up at 6, dropped off 20 minutes later, then require another half mile walk to the office. If I'm walking at 15 minutes per mile, this total trip is at minimum 35 minutes. If I drive myself, it is currently 13 minutes (timed this morning) from getting in my car to exiting my car.
It takes me a little longer to get home, but I also avoid the "rush" hour times.
obvious2677 wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:36 pm
It would take me a lot of effort/time to take the bus on a normal workday - a 1/2 mile walk to the stop, picked up at 6, dropped off 20 minutes later, then require another half mile walk to the office. If I'm walking at 15 minutes per mile, this total trip is at minimum 35 minutes. If I drive myself, it is currently 13 minutes (timed this morning) from getting in my car to exiting my car.
It takes me a little longer to get home, but I also avoid the "rush" hour times.
That's all relative. What you've described to me doesn't sound bad at all. 7 extra minutes of commute, plus you get two miles of exercise. I'd do it. But like I said, it's relative to the person. I'm not a 100% go go go type of person and actually enjoy the taking it slow aspect of a stroll to work. I did it for years when I was in school. Now, I have a 7 minute "commute" (haha), which is equal to a little over a mile and a leisurely 30 minute walk. It wouldn't make sense to take the bus in this instance because I'd be walking almost as much and it would take the same amount of time as walking. Now, if I was covering more ground, I'd totally take the bus if I worked farther away from home. If I worked Downtown, I'd take the 18 like my dad does every day. About the same amount of walking as you'd be taking and about double the rolling time. He leaves work at 3, gets home by 3:25 when he drives and about 4:05 when he buses. He enjoys it. So it comes down to the individual and their preference.
Glad to know you've at least gone to the effort of knowing what it takes. A lot of people don't even have a remote idea, and in a lot of cases, taking the bus isn't a bad deal.
obvious2677 wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:36 pm
It would take me a lot of effort/time to take the bus on a normal workday - a 1/2 mile walk to the stop, picked up at 6, dropped off 20 minutes later, then require another half mile walk to the office. If I'm walking at 15 minutes per mile, this total trip is at minimum 35 minutes. If I drive myself, it is currently 13 minutes (timed this morning) from getting in my car to exiting my car.
It takes me a little longer to get home, but I also avoid the "rush" hour times.
That's all relative. What you've described to me doesn't sound bad at all. 7 extra minutes of commute, plus you get two miles of exercise. I'd do it. But like I said, it's relative to the person. I'm not a 100% go go go type of person and actually enjoy the taking it slow aspect of a stroll to work. I did it for years when I was in school. Now, I have a 7 minute "commute" (haha), which is equal to a little over a mile and a leisurely 30 minute walk. It wouldn't make sense to take the bus in this instance because I'd be walking almost as much and it would take the same amount of time as walking. Now, if I was covering more ground, I'd totally take the bus if I worked farther away from home. If I worked Downtown, I'd take the 18 like my dad does every day. About the same amount of walking as you'd be taking and about double the rolling time. He leaves work at 3, gets home by 3:25 when he drives and about 4:05 when he buses. He enjoys it. So it comes down to the individual and their preference.
Glad to know you've at least gone to the effort of knowing what it takes. A lot of people don't even have a remote idea, and in a lot of cases, taking the bus isn't a bad deal.
I have been debating biking since it's only 5.5 miles (work advocates this), but I kind of worry about someone in a car not being cognizant of their surroundings at 6am on a major corridor - especially during the winter when it's dark when I arrive and often when I leave work. I also apparently live in the black hole of Omaha for any sort of transportation other than personal vehicle.
bigredmed1 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am
If you live on 120th street (not exactly far west Omaha at this point), you have very little bus service outside of a small strip between L and Q streets.
There used to be an express route on Pacific that apparently was scrapped after many years of service because people stopped using it. I could see it being resurrected if more people ride the 92 and 94. Would you ride a hypothetical bus that ran from this development to downtown via Pacific, 680, and Dodge with a stop at 42nd & Dodge? Or there has been talk of extending route 11 west onto Pacific, which would give you another viable work option. Problem is they risk spending taxpayer dollars when their effort may realistically incite just another scoff by someone watching an empty bus roll down the street. It takes effort by citizens to make the bus work for them too.
I would love to have reliable bus service from my part of the city to Childrens. The parking there is really bad and the bus connections from there to the rest of the city are at least more than theoretical.
Interested to see how this project looks from Dodge st in a few years. It’s been open fields for so long. If done right it could give an exciting new look to that busy stretch of road. Still not completely sold on this project. Could end up hurting DTO, let’s hope not. They really need to entice some new to market stores, like Nordstrom rack and West Elm that would be a great start.
Cermak wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:08 pm
Interested to see how this project looks from Dodge st in a few years. It’s been open fields for so long. If done right it could give an exciting new look to that busy stretch of road. Still not completely sold on this project. Could end up hurting DTO, let’s hope not. They really need to entice some new to market stores, like Nordstrom rack and West Elm that would be a great start.
Nordstrom rack is nothing but over-priced junk they couldn't sell at their regular department store (if you want bad fashion, there's Ross, Burlington, TJMax, and Marshalls and It will cost you much less) and West Elm is also over-priced |expletive|. Their furniture looks about as bad as IKEA furniture, but a lot more expensive. That's probably why the company is going through bankruptcy. Personally, I'd love to see Nebraska Furniture Mart build a big new store out there or get a big new to market quality furniture store.
Cermak wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:08 pm
Interested to see how this project looks from Dodge st in a few years. It’s been open fields for so long. If done right it could give an exciting new look to that busy stretch of road. Still not completely sold on this project. Could end up hurting DTO, let’s hope not. They really need to entice some new to market stores, like Nordstrom rack and West Elm that would be a great start.
Nordstrom rack is nothing but over-priced junk they couldn't sell at their regular department store (if you want bad fashion, there's Ross, Burlington, TJMax, and Marshalls and It will cost you much less) and West Elm is also over-priced |expletive|. Their furniture looks about as bad as IKEA furniture, but a lot more expensive. That's probably why the company is going through bankruptcy. Personally, I'd love to see Nebraska Furniture Mart build a big new store out there or get a big new to market quality furniture store.
I agree that West Elm is overpriced but I think it is way above IKEA in terms of quality. Would love for another NFM out there but I don't see why they would do that. I want to see new to market retail.
Omaha needs these stores (Nordstrom Rack,West Elm) to be competitive with other metros of similar size. Right now we don’t have them. Even if we never shop at them personally, somebody else will. I think we are one of the larger metro’s without a Nordstrom Rack. Minneapolis has like 5, Des Moines has 1 , we have zero. The best thing I see about Heartwood Preserve is that it might bring new stores to this market.
Cermak wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:00 pm
Omaha needs these stores (Nordstrom Rack,West Elm) to be competitive with other metros of similar size. Right now we don’t have them. Even if we never shop at them personally, somebody else will. I think we are one of the larger metro’s without a Nordstrom Rack. Minneapolis has like 5, Des Moines has 1 , we have zero. The best thing I see about Heartwood Preserve is that it might bring new stores to this market.
I can get pushed out because I'm "too much" for some. Then, an observer of me comes suddenly swooping in to "fill my shoes." People are always more accepting of the new one, because their feathers aren't truly ruffled by them. (Yawn) I can count on it every time.
Heartwood Preserve is a shopping center? It sounds like a nature center.
I can get pushed out because I'm "too much" for some. Then, an observer of me comes suddenly swooping in to "fill my shoes." People are always more accepting of the new one, because their feathers aren't truly ruffled by them. (Yawn) I can count on it every time.
I am excited to see the plans, but I am kind of bummed the AU HQ is looking like it's going to be the low rise (3-4 story), monster x-building that was rendered in some other materials concerning the site's greenery and landscaping. I was hoping for more height, but I am glad everything is moving forward with this. I live in Harvey Oaks and there is a neighborhood meeting about the development in a couple days. I am interested in what they will present.
I'm so glad this is being developed. No longer will Omaha have this odd patch of big country fields in the middle of West Omaha -- seen in person while driving, and seen on aerial maps, like Google Maps.
I can get pushed out because I'm "too much" for some. Then, an observer of me comes suddenly swooping in to "fill my shoes." People are always more accepting of the new one, because their feathers aren't truly ruffled by them. (Yawn) I can count on it every time.
ita wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:12 pm I live in Harvey Oaks and there is a neighborhood meeting about the development in a couple days. I am interested in what they will present.
I'm busy on Thursday, but I'd like to know what gets discussed at the presentation. Is that at Millard North at 7:30? Is anybody planning on going?
ita wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:12 pm I live in Harvey Oaks and there is a neighborhood meeting about the development in a couple days. I am interested in what they will present.
I'm busy on Thursday, but I'd like to know what gets discussed at the presentation. Is that at Millard North at 7:30? Is anybody planning on going?
I’ll be there. We had to move it to the High School because of demand. Should be a packed house.
Any news on when applied underwriters is going to start and be complete? Also are the parking garages going to be underground? Are they building all 450000 sf at once or in stages? Thanks
Justp wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:10 am
Any news on when applied underwriters is going to start and be complete? Also are the parking garages going to be underground? Are they building all 450000 sf at once or in stages? Thanks
From the article:
Noddle, who has shepherded the project so far through various governmental approval steps, has said that all the commercial, residential and entertainment venues are expected to take 15 or so years to fully materialize. When completed, officials project the property value will rise by $1.2 billion.
I've just looked over all the renderings... It all looks really good. It's funny to see that new design & urban planning thinking butt-up against old design & thinking of suburban SW Omaha/Millard -- which at one time was new thinking, compared to the old core of Omaha.
I can get pushed out because I'm "too much" for some. Then, an observer of me comes suddenly swooping in to "fill my shoes." People are always more accepting of the new one, because their feathers aren't truly ruffled by them. (Yawn) I can count on it every time.
My God I’m going to be dead before I can buy a place here. 15 years? Hopefully a lot is completed in the near term. Anyone go to the Harvey Oaks HOA meeting?
Slowmaha wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:40 am
My God I’m going to be dead before I can buy a place here. 15 years? Hopefully a lot is completed in the near term. Anyone go to the Harvey Oaks HOA meeting?
I monitor this thread hoping to learn when I can buy a lot in the portion south of Pacific, so just to be clear, this comment is not based on any new information, correct?
They should start sellling lots on the South Farm side in 2-3 years. They want to have the majority of the heavy commercial done before they allow any building to go on.
Construction of the proposed Applied Underwriters office campus — and the broader Heartwood Preserve redevelopment in west Omaha — will continue despite news that Berkshire Hathaway could sell the Applied insurance unit.
Jeffrey Silver of Omaha, general counsel for Applied, said a sale “will have absolutely no effect or impact” on redevelopment of the overall 500 acres southwest of 144th Street and West Dodge Road. The development still will be called Heartwood Preserve.
He said the project always was to be funded by Applied. “After the transaction occurs, there will be no change.”
The 55-acre national operations center for Applied is to be built within the Heartwood Preserve. The 800 Applied workers based in the Omaha area are to move to the new office campus, which will span about 450,000 square feet. Construction is to start later this year. The local Applied workforce is expected to increase as its Omaha offices grow, officials have said.
ScrattyB wrote: Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:18 pm
So the only thing stopping the new owners from moving everyone out of the new office is some sort of contract with the developer?
Applied Underwriters owns the land for the entire development as well.
Interesting. I assume there are contracts signed with language dictating what they can and can't do, and penalties. Nothing has been built yet. So I assume it's those contracts that would/could determine what the new owners do with the land.
