Heartwood Preserve (144th Dodge/Pacific)

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 am

TransitOriented wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:23 am Work appears to be starting on 166 or 248. There's quite a flurry of activity for these small structures.

Brad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:46 am Lot 102 = Gunderson's Jewelers
Lot 114 = Capitol Cigar Lounge
Lot 105 = Charleston's
Lot 225 = Mahogany Prime
Lot 102 = Starbucks
Lot 248 = Multi Tennant with a Little King

Has there been anything mentioned on possible tenants going into 166 or 248?

Omahayngin · Post by **Omahayngin** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:51 am

Is this project still going to plan? With the avenue one (I beleive it was a part of heartwood) as well as the rest or has it been scaled down?

almighty_tuna · Post by **almighty_tuna** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:24 pm

Avenue One is a separate project at 192nd & Dodge.

Heartwood Preserve is certainly not living up to its original billing when Noddle was involved, but stuff and things are being built.

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:54 pm

almighty_tuna wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:24 pm Avenue One is a separate project at 192nd & Dodge.

Heartwood Preserve is certainly not living up to its original billing when Noddle was involved, but stuff and things are being built.

Stuff and things is certainly a great way to describe it ahha

Omahayngin · Post by **Omahayngin** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:22 pm

Oh okay thanks for letting me know. Anything on avenue one? That to me looks the most exciting conceptually. Id just hope it doesn’t hurt downtown by trying to create one out west. I’m from down north but I’ve heard people from west O say they won’t go east of 72nd and parents won’t let them go downtown. This was all before the mall was redone though

Bob from Omaha · Post by **Bob from Omaha** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:32 pm

Did you ever notice that with very, very few exceptions developments that are announced with massive fanfare end up as a non cohesive yawning mess? In the exception category I'd place Midtown Crossing first. Of course that was driven by Mutual and clearly someone in the company saw to it that it didn't end up a sh*t show. Capitol District to a large extent also mostly came through. Village Pointe for the most part is what was originally promised, though over time the configuration changed as retailers teased their intentions and then pulled out. On the other hand, the Boys Town property, Avenue One, h e l l, for that matter pretty much everything on Dodge west of 168th with the exception of Village Pointe. Dodge west of 168th had such potential to be an amazing example of planned development.
Heartwood Preserve and Avenue One have zero soul, zero personality, zero innovation.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:15 pm

Bob from Omaha wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:32 pm Did you ever notice that with very, very few exceptions developments that are announced with massive fanfare end up as a non cohesive yawning mess? In the exception category I'd place Midtown Crossing first. Of course that was driven by Mutual and clearly someone in the company saw to it that it didn't end up a sh*t show. Capitol District to a large extent also mostly came through. Village Pointe for the most part is what was originally promised, though over time the configuration changed as retailers teased their intentions and then pulled out. On the other hand, the Boys Town property, Avenue One, h e l l, for that matter pretty much everything on Dodge west of 168th with the exception of Village Pointe. Dodge west of 168th had such potential to be an amazing example of planned development.
Heartwood Preserve and Avenue One have zero soul, zero personality, zero innovation.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong

Legacy, TriBeDo, the Southport Outlets (though NEX is nice enough), that one Downtown Millard Plan, I wouldn’t be surprised if Village Pointe was more ambitious once upon a time. There’s been a lot of theoretically ambitious suburban developments over the years that have |expletive| the bed or not happened at all.

TransitOriented · Post by **TransitOriented** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:53 pm

I would exclude Millard Lumberyard District. It was never billed as some exciting new area. I think people just had ideas that it would help spur new development, which it did not.

Millard Avenue. The site, which was vacated in 2008, spans 12 acres and will become a new multi-million dollar development. The site will mostly include multi-family housing, some office and retail space at both entrances to the development, as well as outdoor community spaces. The development will consist of seven residential buildings which will be a mixture of three and four stories, totaling approximately 544,000 s.f. The housing units will include 338 bed consisting of a combination of one- and two-bedrooms. Two additional buildings will include 38,000 s.f. of office space and 19,000 s.f. of retail. Ample parking will include 600 residential stalls and two commercial lots providing a total of 295 stalls. The development will be completed in one phase, and construction is scheduled to be finished in 2017.

Apartments, a 2 story strip mall with retail and offices, and later the second strip mall morphed into a police station. Nothing really exciting, but it was written to make people excited.

But the West Farm idea was billed as a mega project and was even written about in the national news as one of the largest new developments in the country. Quick Google result : https://www.archpaper.com/2017/12/billi ... ent-omaha/

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:26 pm

TransitOriented wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:53 pm I would exclude Millard Lumberyard District. It was never billed as some exciting new area. I think people just had ideas that it would help spur new development, which it did not.

Millard Avenue. The site, which was vacated in 2008, spans 12 acres and will become a new multi-million dollar development. The site will mostly include multi-family housing, some office and retail space at both entrances to the development, as well as outdoor community spaces. The development will consist of seven residential buildings which will be a mixture of three and four stories, totaling approximately 544,000 s.f. The housing units will include 338 bed consisting of a combination of one- and two-bedrooms. Two additional buildings will include 38,000 s.f. of office space and 19,000 s.f. of retail. Ample parking will include 600 residential stalls and two commercial lots providing a total of 295 stalls. The development will be completed in one phase, and construction is scheduled to be finished in 2017.
Apartments, a 2 story strip mall with retail and offices, and later the second strip mall morphed into a police station. Nothing really exciting, but it was written to make people excited.

But the West Farm idea was billed as a mega project and was even written about in the national news as one of the largest new developments in the country. Quick Google result : https://www.archpaper.com/2017/12/billi ... ent-omaha/

Nah I’m talking about an even older plan from the early 2000s that envisioned a sort of river walk area for downtown Millard, I think. It was only ever a proposal and never had legs.

Edit:
From what I can find it was going to be called “Millard Town Center” but I’m having trouble finding any good info since it seems to be from about 2004.

Linkin5 · Post by **Linkin5** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:42 pm

Bob from Omaha wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:32 pm Did you ever notice that with very, very few exceptions developments that are announced with massive fanfare end up as a non cohesive yawning mess? In the exception category I'd place Midtown Crossing first. Of course that was driven by Mutual and clearly someone in the company saw to it that it didn't end up a sh*t show. Capitol District to a large extent also mostly came through. Village Pointe for the most part is what was originally promised, though over time the configuration changed as retailers teased their intentions and then pulled out. On the other hand, the Boys Town property, Avenue One, h e l l, for that matter pretty much everything on Dodge west of 168th with the exception of Village Pointe. Dodge west of 168th had such potential to be an amazing example of planned development.
Heartwood Preserve and Avenue One have zero soul, zero personality, zero innovation.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong

I would pretty strongly disagree that Capital District turned out how it was originally sold. The aesthetics of the buildings ended up being a lot cheaper looking and the “entertainment district” area in the middle is basically just a screen stuck in the middle and looks cheap.

zippy · Post by **zippy** » Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:26 am

Garrett wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:26 pm Nah I’m talking about an even older plan from the early 2000s that envisioned a sort of river walk area for downtown Millard, I think. It was only ever a proposal and never had legs.

Edit:
From what I can find it was going to be called “Millard Town Center” but I’m having trouble finding any good info since it seems to be from about 2004.

I found this in the Wayback machine: eOmaha thread about Millard Town Center

I'm a little surprised to see no unnecessary "E"s on Town and Center

djc311 · Post by **djc311** » Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:20 am

zippy wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:26 am
Garrett wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:26 pm Nah I’m talking about an even older plan from the early 2000s that envisioned a sort of river walk area for downtown Millard, I think. It was only ever a proposal and never had legs.

Edit:
From what I can find it was going to be called “Millard Town Center” but I’m having trouble finding any good info since it seems to be from about 2004.
I found this in the Wayback machine: eOmaha thread about Millard Town Center

I'm a little surprised to see no unnecessary "E"s on Town and Center

Damn, too bad that didn't happen! I would have loved to have a canal...

Bob from Omaha · Post by **Bob from Omaha** » Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:43 pm

In a lot of cases Marty Shukert from RDG would make these amazing renderings and the final outcome, if any, would not only look nothing like the renderings but in some cases be outdone by a trailer park.
I kind of feel bad for Marty. He's very talented.

“Millard Town Center”
"Millarde Towne Centere" <--- Fixed it

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:54 pm

zippy wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:26 am
Garrett wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:26 pm Nah I’m talking about an even older plan from the early 2000s that envisioned a sort of river walk area for downtown Millard, I think. It was only ever a proposal and never had legs.

Edit:
From what I can find it was going to be called “Millard Town Center” but I’m having trouble finding any good info since it seems to be from about 2004.
I found this in the Wayback machine: eOmaha thread about Millard Town Center

I'm a little surprised to see no unnecessary "E"s on Town and Center

Great find! A shame most of the images are dead, but I would have loved a project like this from the little we still have.

TransitOriented · Post by **TransitOriented** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:10 pm

Ovation has restarted construction. Crew was out cutting the slab where the building burned down. Hopefully they build a new tower.

mcarch · Post by **mcarch** » Sun Sep 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Bob from Omaha wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:32 pm Did you ever notice that with very, very few exceptions developments that are announced with massive fanfare end up as a non cohesive yawning mess? In the exception category I'd place Midtown Crossing first. Of course that was driven by Mutual and clearly someone in the company saw to it that it didn't end up a sh*t show. Capitol District to a large extent also mostly came through. Village Pointe for the most part is what was originally promised, though over time the configuration changed as retailers teased their intentions and then pulled out. On the other hand, the Boys Town property, Avenue One, h e l l, for that matter pretty much everything on Dodge west of 168th with the exception of Village Pointe. Dodge west of 168th had such potential to be an amazing example of planned development.
Heartwood Preserve and Avenue One have zero soul, zero personality, zero innovation.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong

I keep being told I'm wrong when I scream there's a problem with these "ideas" that will go nowhere. They're just large commercial developments that have wonderful initial art-advertising, but no follow through.

It's like selling a house that doesn't have a spectacular backyard, but it COULD have that backyard, so I get a Graphic Artist to render some Boards of what it COULD look like, Pool with color changing lights at night, Fountains, Fire, Fireplace, Pergola, all the bells and whistles, but it never happens.

The best follow through I have seen in a large commercial project has been Aksarben Village. They kept tight control of each zone. The only areas where they have seemingly lost their way, is in the areas of Residential on the Smaller Lots surrounding the Parking Garages. No one wants to live in a Row House or a 3-level apartment-type building facing a Parking Garage that is going to cost an arm and a leg. It would need to be a Mixed-use building with Residential on the top floors, so more of a 6 story building, with Retail on the first, some small offices on the 2nd.

TransitOriented · Post by **TransitOriented** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:09 am

mcarch wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 4:38 pm The best follow through I have seen in a large commercial project has been Aksarben Village. They kept tight control of each zone. The only areas where they have seemingly lost their way, is in the areas of Residential

The original plans for residential were mostly condos, but then they were going to be 400k (15 years ago). They build all those apartments instead. They are so poorly built. The floors shake when walking up and down the halls. It also took them 10 years before there was a decent influx of business. I think the commercial aspect is pretty good now, but yeah, the residential part did not come to fruition the way it was supposed to. It's sad when "disappointing" is our best. Of course this is all my opinion.
I've also had my name on the list for a unit in Westfarms/Heartwood, but no updates since the day I put my name on the list years ago. The way it's going I'm going to be an old person and will end up at Ovation, but will have to cross 4 lanes of traffic to eat dinner

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:27 pm

Development wise, Omaha is on par with receiving a beautiful box wrapped by Borsheims, only to open it with great anticipation and find that the actual contents came from Walmart.
Or Goodwill.

Post by **BRoss** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:54 pm

Streets are starting to be poured in the residential area west of Millard North.

The trail and ponds are really starting to come together on the west end. Guessing this should finally be finished up next year.

There's signs of something happening at the building that burnt down. They painted the remaining frame white. Hopefully will start to rebuild soon.

Post by **BRoss** » Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:36 pm

Work starting north of Millard North. A crane has been assembled and some big drillers.

According to DOGIS it's owned by Broadmoor, so looks like apartments.

Post by **BRoss** » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:22 pm

They are now officially starting to rebuild the building that burnt down.

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:16 am

Does anyone know the timeline on Charlestons and Mahogany’s relocation?

Post by **Brad** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:10 pm

BRoss wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:22 pm They are now officially starting to rebuild the building that burnt down.

Aerial Update:

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OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:14 am

Post by **Brad** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:33 am

I'm assuming those are at least a month old, correct? I think that barn roof in your first photo is gone now, correct?

Stan · Post by **Stan** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:48 pm

Brad wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:33 am I'm assuming those are at least a month old, correct? I think that barn roof in your first photo is gone now, correct?

A whole lot more leaves on the trees too.

As for the barn roof, I'll say it again that it's a shame they didn't take advantage of any existing buildings that used to reside here. Even if they had moved the houses that resided off 144th and Dodge out and turned them into little boutique shops, it would have been far more interesting than whatever this eventually turns into.

TreeKiid · Post by **TreeKiid** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:25 pm

Brad wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:33 am I'm assuming those are at least a month old, correct? I think that barn roof in your first photo is gone now, correct?

No. I just drove by it yesterday and it was still sitting there.

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:42 am

Not quite a month old but taken close to three weeks ago. I believe that’s the building where the cigar lounge is going, The Apiary Social Club if anyone can confirm.

daveoma · Post by **daveoma** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:35 pm

OmaHahaHusker wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 am
TransitOriented wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:23 am Work appears to be starting on 166 or 248. There's quite a flurry of activity for these small structures.

Brad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:46 am Lot 102 = Gunderson's Jewelers
Lot 114 = Capitol Cigar Lounge
Lot 105 = Charleston's
Lot 225 = Mahogany Prime
Lot 102 = Starbucks
Lot 248 = Multi Tennant with a Little King

Has there been anything mentioned on possible tenants going into 166 or 248?

Does anybody know why Charleston's is moving to Heartland Preserve? It seems like the location north of Dodge has some of the best visibility in West Omaha.

almighty_tuna · Post by **almighty_tuna** » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:41 am

IIRC it was related to the owner of the building wanting to renovate.

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:23 pm

almighty_tuna wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:41 am IIRC it was related to the owner of the building wanting to renovate.

I also believe it is at the end of their current lease so it makes sense to relocate into a brand new, fresh building. Might suffer a bit from visibility but I think their brand recognition in Omaha over the years is good enough to not skip a beat. Who knows what kind of deal they were able to negotiate too…

Post by **Brad** » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:24 pm

OmaHahaHusker wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:23 pm
almighty_tuna wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:41 am IIRC it was related to the owner of the building wanting to renovate.
I also believe it is at the end of their current lease so it makes sense to relocate into a brand new, fresh building. Might suffer a bit from visibility but I think their brand recognition in Omaha over the years is good enough to not skip a beat. Who knows what kind of deal they were able to negotiate too…

Mahogany Prime was not built as a Mahogany Prime and they wanted to move because the current restaurant is as nice as the other Mahogany Prime locations. Mahogany Prime and Charleston's have the same owner, wonder if they like them located side by side? I agree, the new location shouldn't change much.

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:20 am

If anything the move into a new building might put them on the map in another/different way again. I haven’t been to either for awhile but I will go to both Charlestons and Mahogany’s once open in the new space because I’ll want to see the new space.

OmaHahaHusker · Post by **OmaHahaHusker** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:09 pm

It looks like Charlestons has started their transition into their new space this week and advertising Monday the 29th as opening day in the new building.

Post by **BRoss** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:14 pm

OmaHahaHusker wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:09 pm It looks like Charlestons has started their transition into their new space this week and advertising Monday the 29th as opening day in the new building.

I saw on their website that it was showing the new location and Google Maps shows them there now. I actually just tried to go there and saw the note about it opening next Monday. Didn't see that note at the bottom of the website.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:54 pm

BRoss wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:14 pm
OmaHahaHusker wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:09 pm It looks like Charlestons has started their transition into their new space this week and advertising Monday the 29th as opening day in the new building.

I saw on their website that it was showing the new location and Google Maps shows them there now. I actually just tried to go there and saw the note about it opening next Monday. Didn't see that note at the bottom of the website.

I noticed the signage was up on their new building this past weekend, so I figured they were close…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

OverlookedFarm · Post by **OverlookedFarm** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:38 pm

i see the signage is up on the mahogony steakhouse and the charlestons buildings which sit on the community garden and greenspace on the original project rendering.

"I love it when a plan comes together"
-some guy

Post by **BRoss** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:26 pm

OverlookedFarm wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:38 pm i see the signage is up on the mahogony steakhouse and the charlestons buildings which sit on the community garden and greenspace on the original project rendering.

"I love it when a plan comes together"
-some guy

Was there something like that that was supposed to be north of Canopy Ave? I know south of it they planned to have a dog park, which they put the grass down a few years ago. There is also a paved open area just south of that, which only has some trees for now.

I walk this whole area in the summer frequently, so have watched it evolve over the last few years. Thinking through what I've seen ongoing lately, this year it looks like the following will happen:

The park/trails on the west end will be completed. They made big progress on it last fall.
Houses will likely start going up in that area too (just west of Millard North). The streets were also put in last fall.
The brick "Main Street" will likely be done. The bricks have been sitting across the dog park/open paved area since last fall.
Apartments will start going up just north of Millard North. A crane has been on site for a while now and site work has been taking place.

OverlookedFarm · Post by **OverlookedFarm** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:49 pm

from my post in oct 2016:
Black circle is hotel
-Red lines is boulevard
- Orange circle is pond greenspace, amphitheater
-Gray circle is AU HQ
-Yellow Circles are single fam homes
-Purple line is the ped bridge
-Blue Circles are other office buildings
-Red circles are mixed use condo/apt/1st floor retail, etc Ak village type stuff
-Green is the farmers market area. The green spot to the right in the circle is the new garden

mcarch · Post by **mcarch** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:41 pm

The talk from some investors who have stake in the development, there were supposed to be 2 other taller buildings (taller than Union Bank & Carson Wealth), that were to be mixed use. The talk was that these buildings were probably not going to be built due to the current interest rates (this was before they have come back down and settled at 6.5% currently), cost of building materials, etc., as rents would need to be astronomical to offset the cost.

I am hoping this is NOT the case, and they continue to push forward with their original vision of a higher density (like what was shown in the marketing photos on their website when first launched).